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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 11:34:15 GMT
Link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh9mje34ZxwHogan in my mind was shit. He only wishes that he was half as good as Macho Man Randy Savage. The moment Hogan in my mind was at his best was in this segment against Shawn Michaels because there was some real there. I do laugh at the "call Bret Hart" prop though. Because anyone that remembers WM 9 remembers how Hogan left as Champ over Hart because Hogan is a piece of shit. Hart isn't a great guy either but Hogan is on another level. At least from my knowledge Hart isn't a racist.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 2:55:37 GMT
Link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh9mje34ZxwHogan in my mind was shit. He only wishes that he was half as good as Macho Man Randy Savage. The moment Hogan in my mind was at his best was in this segment against Shawn Michaels because there was some real there. I do laugh at the "call Bret Hart" prop though. Because anyone that remembers WM 9 remembers how Hogan left as Champ over Hart because Hogan is a piece of shit. Hart isn't a great guy either but Hogan is on another level. At least from my knowledge Hart isn't a racist. They were trying so hard to recreate that Rock/Hogan Icon vs Icon moment from WM X8 and it wasn't happening.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 2:58:25 GMT
Hogan's best moments include
Hogan over Andre WM III
Hogan vs Rock WM X8
Hogan turns heel at Bash at the Beach to join the N.W.O.
Hogan vs Goldberg Monday Nitro
Hogan vs The Giant WCW
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 22, 2018 5:26:38 GMT
Hogan's best moments include Hogan over Andre WM III Hogan vs Rock WM X8 Hogan turns heel at Bash at the Beach to join the N.W.O. Hogan vs Goldberg Monday Nitro Hogan vs The Giant WCW Also, should include Hogan's first world title win vs Iron Shiek
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Post by twothousandonemark on Nov 22, 2018 5:46:46 GMT
Wrestlemania III The industry has 2 histories - pre-WM3 & post-WM3.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 23:08:28 GMT
this is a great moment rarely talked about.
this was Savage at his best in Team Madness with Sid and Gorgeous George.
now to most fans- the nWo and Hogan had run its course after nWo Elite....
Hogan was on hiatus and off TV for a good bit. Savage just won the strap the night before against Nash at a PPV if memory serves.
Monday Nitro - Savage challenges 'anybody'.
Voodoo Child hits around the 4 minute mark of this clip - and the crowd goes nuts as out comes our Hero.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 23:33:16 GMT
to this day.......
this chokes me up.............
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 23:42:24 GMT
'Darkside Hogan' with Igor Savage is one of the greatest pieces of entertainment history on record:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 23:45:20 GMT
more epicness from 'Darkside Hogan' - pure gold
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 26, 2018 18:01:41 GMT
Hogan's best moments include Hogan over Andre WM III Hogan vs Rock WM X8 Hogan turns heel at Bash at the Beach to join the N.W.O. Hogan vs Goldberg Monday Nitro Hogan vs The Giant WCW I'd add his match against The Ultimate Warrior at WM VI.
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Post by Jayman on Nov 27, 2018 1:01:27 GMT
To me, there's no question that it's him winning the wwf title for the first time in '84. That was the beginning of him being catapulted to a household name. Sure he was a huge star after the Rocky movie came out and his AWA run, but this put him over the top.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Nov 27, 2018 8:21:17 GMT
Can't go with Hogan being shit. If you're younger, I get it. Savage's in ring work was years ahead of its time. He'd meticulously plan out matches move for move at a time when that was not just frowned on but considered not real wrestling, and because of that his matches were smoother than just about anything from that time and had an amazing character thst he was fully committed to. He's probably my favourite wrestler ever.
Having said that I love Hogan from 1984-90 and then 96-99. He was a great seller, terrific promo and knew how to work a crowd, as both a face and a heel, better than just about any wrestler I've ever seen. I've been critical of his output and ego from 1991-95 and the face turn during his feud with Flair in '99 that killed the company (seriously they went from two of their best ever buyrates and being on par with RAW in the ratings going into March 99 to never drawing a respectable buyrate or getting to within 1 ratings point of RAW again). But from '84-90 he was one of the best workers on the planet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 9:55:54 GMT
Can't go with Hogan being shit. If you're younger, I get it. I was just never a Hulk Hogan kid/fan. I'm in my 30's so I remember watching him and I just always even as a kid found his "schtick" to be too cheesy and too cartoony for me. As a kid I gravitated more towards who I thought was "cool" and that to me was never Hulk Hogan. The way he cut his promo's I didn't like, the eat your vitamins and say your prayers crap I wasn't into. His matches were shit for me as well. I have always enjoyed the likes of Macho Man, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Mr Perfect etc. because at one point or another I thought they were cool and I enjoyed the matches that they had. I enjoy the athletic theater aspect of wrestling with good storytelling, good mic skills, and good in ring performances. I never got any of that from Hogan. I fully understand his importance to the WWE and the wrestling world. He's one of the biggest wrestling stars of all time. It's just I never liked him. It's just my own opinion that in that storyline with Shawn Michaels it was the only time I was ever interested in anything Hulk Hogan was doing. The only time I could have ever seen myself caring would have been the NWO but even then I just didn't like watching WCW or really anything that they were doing. At the time I already thought Hulk Hogan was too old and was watching the newer generation of guys. As big of a Macho Man fan that I was, I felt the same way in regards to him in WCW. Felt he was old and lost interest in the stuff he was doing. Just for the record, Shawn Michaels being my all time favorite and him recently coming out of retirement to wrestle again at 50 something years old, I didn't care to see that either. There gets to a point when a person is too old to be doing this stuff where I no longer enjoy it and no level of nostalgia is going to change that. I had that feeling when most of the guys went to WCW that they were too old and I was ready to move on. So I never got into the NWO. I was a DX kid to the point where I'd get suspended from school for wearing a DX shirt or telling a teacher to "suck it". They were the "cool guys" to me while the NWO in my mind resembled the "old guys" despite the fact that I liked Scott Hall and Kevin Nash but lost interest in them when they were paired with Hogan.
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Post by Jayman on Nov 27, 2018 20:19:12 GMT
Can't go with Hogan being shit. If you're younger, I get it. I was just never a Hulk Hogan kid/fan. I'm in my 30's so I remember watching him and I just always even as a kid found his "schtick" to be too cheesy and too cartoony for me. As a kid I gravitated more towards who I thought was "cool" and that to me was never Hulk Hogan. The way he cut his promo's I didn't like, the eat your vitamins and say your prayers crap I wasn't into. His matches were shit for me as well. I have always enjoyed the likes of Macho Man, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Mr Perfect etc. because at one point or another I thought they were cool and I enjoyed the matches that they had. I enjoy the athletic theater aspect of wrestling with good storytelling, good mic skills, and good in ring performances. I never got any of that from Hogan. I fully understand his importance to the WWE and the wrestling world. He's one of the biggest wrestling stars of all time. It's just I never liked him. It's just my own opinion that in that storyline with Shawn Michaels it was the only time I was ever interested in anything Hulk Hogan was doing. The only time I could have ever seen myself caring would have been the NWO but even then I just didn't like watching WCW or really anything that they were doing. At the time I already thought Hulk Hogan was too old and was watching the newer generation of guys. As big of a Macho Man fan that I was, I felt the same way in regards to him in WCW. Felt he was old and lost interest in the stuff he was doing. Just for the record, Shawn Michaels being my all time favorite and him recently coming out of retirement to wrestle again at 50 something years old, I didn't care to see that either. There gets to a point when a person is too old to be doing this stuff where I no longer enjoy it and no level of nostalgia is going to change that. I had that feeling when most of the guys went to WCW that they were too old and I was ready to move on. So I never got into the NWO. I was a DX kid to the point where I'd get suspended from school for wearing a DX shirt or telling a teacher to "suck it". They were the "cool guys" to me while the NWO in my mind resembled the "old guys" despite the fact that I liked Scott Hall and Kevin Nash but lost interest in them when they were paired with Hogan. I was never a fan personally, but he was the most awesome looking specimen to date in wrestling at that point and connected with the people. I think It was really the wwf itself that became cartoonish and catering more towards kids and not so much Hogan himself changing the things he was doing. His in ring work may not have been pretty to look at, but obviously it's not all about that. If you can get a building to explode by putting your hand up against your ear rather than doing all kinds of fancy moves, then that's a testament to the man. As far as what he did later in his career, then that's a whole other thing. But he reinvented himself and got himself over again when everybody counted him out.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Nov 27, 2018 23:36:02 GMT
You're exactly right. Personalities get guys over and make them memorable. Even the guys who were great workers and main eventers used their personalities to get them there not their movesets. And those that didn't weren't there long.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 0:27:43 GMT
I was just never a Hulk Hogan kid/fan. I'm in my 30's so I remember watching him and I just always even as a kid found his "schtick" to be too cheesy and too cartoony for me. As a kid I gravitated more towards who I thought was "cool" and that to me was never Hulk Hogan. The way he cut his promo's I didn't like, the eat your vitamins and say your prayers crap I wasn't into. His matches were shit for me as well. I have always enjoyed the likes of Macho Man, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Mr Perfect etc. because at one point or another I thought they were cool and I enjoyed the matches that they had. I enjoy the athletic theater aspect of wrestling with good storytelling, good mic skills, and good in ring performances. I never got any of that from Hogan. I fully understand his importance to the WWE and the wrestling world. He's one of the biggest wrestling stars of all time. It's just I never liked him. It's just my own opinion that in that storyline with Shawn Michaels it was the only time I was ever interested in anything Hulk Hogan was doing. The only time I could have ever seen myself caring would have been the NWO but even then I just didn't like watching WCW or really anything that they were doing. At the time I already thought Hulk Hogan was too old and was watching the newer generation of guys. As big of a Macho Man fan that I was, I felt the same way in regards to him in WCW. Felt he was old and lost interest in the stuff he was doing. Just for the record, Shawn Michaels being my all time favorite and him recently coming out of retirement to wrestle again at 50 something years old, I didn't care to see that either. There gets to a point when a person is too old to be doing this stuff where I no longer enjoy it and no level of nostalgia is going to change that. I had that feeling when most of the guys went to WCW that they were too old and I was ready to move on. So I never got into the NWO. I was a DX kid to the point where I'd get suspended from school for wearing a DX shirt or telling a teacher to "suck it". They were the "cool guys" to me while the NWO in my mind resembled the "old guys" despite the fact that I liked Scott Hall and Kevin Nash but lost interest in them when they were paired with Hogan. I was never a fan personally, but he was the most awesome looking specimen to date in wrestling at that point and connected with the people. I think It was really the wwf itself that became cartoonish and catering more towards kids and not so much Hogan himself changing the things he was doing. His in ring work may not have been pretty to look at, but obviously it's not all about that. If you can get a building to explode by putting your hand up against your ear rather than doing all kinds of fancy moves, then that's a testament to the man. As far as what he did later in his career, then that's a whole other thing. But he reinvented himself and got himself over again when everybody counted him out. I'm not trying to say the guy wasn't over with the crowd to a wide extent. Like I said, he's a legend and one of the biggest stars in wrestling history. That just doesn't mean that I have to be a fan of his or like his work. It's like how I feel about Batman and Superman. They're both 2 of the biggest characters of all time. I however do not like them because I find them boring. Not saying Hogan didn't do things right it's just my own personal opinion that he was shit because I literally didn't like or connect with anything that he did. I'm not expecting everyone to agree with me, it's just my own opinion on him.
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Post by Jayman on Nov 28, 2018 0:38:12 GMT
I was never a fan personally, but he was the most awesome looking specimen to date in wrestling at that point and connected with the people. I think It was really the wwf itself that became cartoonish and catering more towards kids and not so much Hogan himself changing the things he was doing. His in ring work may not have been pretty to look at, but obviously it's not all about that. If you can get a building to explode by putting your hand up against your ear rather than doing all kinds of fancy moves, then that's a testament to the man. As far as what he did later in his career, then that's a whole other thing. But he reinvented himself and got himself over again when everybody counted him out. I'm not trying to say the guy wasn't over with the crowd to a wide extent. Like I said, he's a legend and one of the biggest stars in wrestling history. That just doesn't mean that I have to be a fan of his or like his work. It's like how I feel about Batman and Superman. They're both 2 of the biggest characters of all time. I however do not like them because I find them boring. Not saying Hogan didn't do things right it's just my own personal opinion that he was shit because I literally didn't like or connect with anything that he did. I'm not expecting everyone to agree with me, it's just my own opinion on him. I"m not a fan either so I can relate. Now more importantly, who's your favorite superhero?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 0:42:47 GMT
I'm not trying to say the guy wasn't over with the crowd to a wide extent. Like I said, he's a legend and one of the biggest stars in wrestling history. That just doesn't mean that I have to be a fan of his or like his work. It's like how I feel about Batman and Superman. They're both 2 of the biggest characters of all time. I however do not like them because I find them boring. Not saying Hogan didn't do things right it's just my own personal opinion that he was shit because I literally didn't like or connect with anything that he did. I'm not expecting everyone to agree with me, it's just my own opinion on him. I"m not a fan either so I can relate. Now more importantly, who's your favorite superhero? Spider-Man. As a kid reading those comics I related to him a lot. Plus found him to be a lot of fun. You?
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Post by Jayman on Nov 28, 2018 0:49:56 GMT
I"m not a fan either so I can relate. Now more importantly, who's your favorite superhero? Spider-Man. As a kid reading those comics I related to him a lot. Plus found him to be a lot of fun. You? That's a tough one. I've been getting hooked on the superhero movies and tv shows lately so there's so many to choose from. Superman was my favorite growing up though so I guess I will stick to that.
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Post by ck100 on Dec 11, 2018 3:20:48 GMT
WrestleMania III for his match against Andre the Giant.
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