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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 24, 2018 18:27:50 GMT
u do have to wonder from the trailer when you saw mediocrity and was still deemed better than captain marvel's trailer.
hm...looks like you took the first class schooling black panther pretty bad.
Oh, Captain Marvel's trailer was indeed very underwhelming, same with the Dark Phoenix trailer. The only difference is that, based on their previous track records, I'm pretty sure that when the actual movies come out Captain Marvel will be a lot better than Dark Phoenix. FC and BP have nothing to do with this thread. The fact that you even brought it up shows how frustrated you are that BP is actually better than FC. You didn’t mention Captain Marvel either.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 24, 2018 22:01:23 GMT
X-Men: The Last Stand was not critical panned. It nearly has a fresh on RT. And a co-writer doesn’t have the final say on the script. The studio and director hold more power. He only came up with story elements, he didn’t script. And story is not the only thing that movie was praised for. Saying that he was responsible for the acting, directing, effects, and action is just ridiculous. The writers of X2 came up with the story elements of Apocalypse. Vaughn/Singer could be a perfect combo. I think this is going to hunt mcu xmen directors. it not like they will have the chance to direct anway. one good thing with xmen movies is their directors and talent shows. you can tell a singer, mangold, vaughn, brett ratner, miller xmen movie. their movies differ since they are real films.
remember DOFP was directed by Singer but Vaughn had a lot of input. James Cameron was a consultant.
First Class was directed by Vaughn but Singer had a lot of input he was a writer and producer.
and ofcourse as it is xmen the directing, effects, acting all matter. this is were most of the acclaim is including the story aka screenplay.
take Fassbender, he was an indie guy but first class made him mainstream because he gave a fantastic performance as Magneto. there was even oscar talk for supporting actor. almost feel bad for killmonger here. but at the same time this is a credict I give to Vaughn. if you watch his other comic films like kick ass or kingsman, you would see the similarities on how Vaughn does characters.
as said this are director driven movies. FC and DOFP. at this point only batman begins and TDKR can match them in sheer talent of film making.
Yeah, because Singer and Ratner are terrible.
James Cameron was only a consultant in that Singer watched Terminator 2 a couple times.
They gave Singer credit on First Class because of the young Magneto scene that came from X-men '00.
Is Fassbender mainstream? The only movies that get "good" recognition are the X-men movies and maybe 12 Years a Slave. I mean, Assassin's Creed and The Snowman? No one cared for the Alien movies. Will he disappear back into side character hell after Dark Phoenix?
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 25, 2018 0:41:13 GMT
Vaughn/Singer could be a perfect combo. I think this is going to hunt mcu xmen directors. it not like they will have the chance to direct anway. one good thing with xmen movies is their directors and talent shows. you can tell a singer, mangold, vaughn, brett ratner, miller xmen movie. their movies differ since they are real films.
remember DOFP was directed by Singer but Vaughn had a lot of input. James Cameron was a consultant.
First Class was directed by Vaughn but Singer had a lot of input he was a writer and producer.
and ofcourse as it is xmen the directing, effects, acting all matter. this is were most of the acclaim is including the story aka screenplay.
take Fassbender, he was an indie guy but first class made him mainstream because he gave a fantastic performance as Magneto. there was even oscar talk for supporting actor. almost feel bad for killmonger here. but at the same time this is a credict I give to Vaughn. if you watch his other comic films like kick ass or kingsman, you would see the similarities on how Vaughn does characters.
as said this are director driven movies. FC and DOFP. at this point only batman begins and TDKR can match them in sheer talent of film making.
Yeah, because Singer and Ratner are terrible.
James Cameron was only a consultant in that Singer watched Terminator 2 a couple times.
They gave Singer credit on First Class because of the young Magneto scene that came from X-men '00.
Is Fassbender mainstream? The only movies that get "good" recognition are the X-men movies and maybe 12 Years a Slave. I mean, Assassin's Creed and The Snowman? No one cared for the Alien movies. Will he disappear back into side character hell after Dark Phoenix?
I recall Singer helped with the story.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 25, 2018 4:04:58 GMT
u do have to wonder from the trailer when you saw mediocrity and was still deemed better than captain marvel's trailer.
hm...looks like you took the first class schooling black panther pretty bad.
Oh, Captain Marvel's trailer was indeed very underwhelming, same with the Dark Phoenix trailer. The only difference is that, based on their previous track records, I'm pretty sure that when the actual movies come out Captain Marvel will be a lot better than Dark Phoenix. FC and BP have nothing to do with this thread. The fact that you even brought it up shows how frustrated you are that BP is actually better than FC. to be fair mcu has A worse track record despite been protected by the media and disney hype machine. people blame mcu for damaging the genre.
I doubt captain marvel will be better. I think sophie has more advantage than brie. also we know mcu track record. their best movies tend to be average compared to the best xmen movies.
no. fc and bp have nothing to do with this thread but you put your anger of BP been inferior to this thread, I was just pointing it out. lastly if i remember correctly, most did say FC was better and most did prove it. you didnt. unless ofcouse you think the proof is based in rt and box office. LMAO.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 25, 2018 4:14:10 GMT
Oh, Captain Marvel's trailer was indeed very underwhelming, same with the Dark Phoenix trailer. The only difference is that, based on their previous track records, I'm pretty sure that when the actual movies come out Captain Marvel will be a lot better than Dark Phoenix. FC and BP have nothing to do with this thread. The fact that you even brought it up shows how frustrated you are that BP is actually better than FC. to be fair mcu has A worse track record despite been protected by the media and disney hype machine. people blame mcu for damaging the genre.
I doubt captain marvel will be better. I think sophie has more advantage than brie. also we know mcu track record. their best movies tend to be average compared to the best xmen movies.
no. fc and bp have nothing to do with this thread but you put your anger of BP been inferior to this thread, I was just pointing it out. lastly if i remember correctly, most did say FC was better and most did prove it. you didnt. unless ofcouse you think the proof is based in rt and box office. LMAO.
Eh? ALL MCU movies are successful and loved by the people, some just more than others. On the other hand, XCU films are hit and miss. Some are loved, some are trashed on. That's not my opinion, that's fact. As for BP, again, that has nothing to do with this thread. I already posted why it was the better movie, you just didn't reply to me. But we can talk about that in the other thread. As for this topic, just admit it, Dark Phoenix looks ridiculously bland.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 25, 2018 4:16:28 GMT
Vaughn/Singer could be a perfect combo. I think this is going to hunt mcu xmen directors. it not like they will have the chance to direct anway. one good thing with xmen movies is their directors and talent shows. you can tell a singer, mangold, vaughn, brett ratner, miller xmen movie. their movies differ since they are real films.
remember DOFP was directed by Singer but Vaughn had a lot of input. James Cameron was a consultant.
First Class was directed by Vaughn but Singer had a lot of input he was a writer and producer.
and ofcourse as it is xmen the directing, effects, acting all matter. this is were most of the acclaim is including the story aka screenplay.
take Fassbender, he was an indie guy but first class made him mainstream because he gave a fantastic performance as Magneto. there was even oscar talk for supporting actor. almost feel bad for killmonger here. but at the same time this is a credict I give to Vaughn. if you watch his other comic films like kick ass or kingsman, you would see the similarities on how Vaughn does characters.
as said this are director driven movies. FC and DOFP. at this point only batman begins and TDKR can match them in sheer talent of film making.
Yeah, because Singer and Ratner are terrible.
James Cameron was only a consultant in that Singer watched Terminator 2 a couple times.
They gave Singer credit on First Class because of the young Magneto scene that came from X-men '00.
Is Fassbender mainstream? The only movies that get "good" recognition are the X-men movies and maybe 12 Years a Slave. I mean, Assassin's Creed and The Snowman? No one cared for the Alien movies. Will he disappear back into side character hell after Dark Phoenix?
- Singer is a superior version of the russo brothers. dont forget. DOFP is still schooling winter solider
-are u still mad at james cameron because he said avengers is indirectly idiotic and gotg is bad science? let it go. he was just saying the truth. the world agreed with him.
LOL. don't tell me you are going after Fassbender now? LOL. this is how bad mcu is, their fans even go after the actors. I think most xmen and dc fans draw the line here. we dont need to go after actors. you are in formershamd territory now.
yep. Fassbender is mainstream and is considered one of the finest actors of his generation. factually remember this is part of the reason winter solider looked so inferior to DOFP. the performances of the actors.
DOFP the main tro of Michael Fassbender, Jennifer Lawernce and James Mcvoy were considered superior actors to Chris Evans, Scarlet Johanson and Anthony Mackie. also helped DOFP was a drama so they got to act.
LOL....poor Killmonger. he cant even beat young magneto. talkless of Sir Ian Mckellen's Magneto. so mcu fans go after fassbender's career. please to be realistic. fassbender has a better body of work than all mcu actors outside of RDJ and Sam L Jackson.
this is too funny now. really??? grow some class.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 25, 2018 4:20:39 GMT
to be fair mcu has A worse track record despite been protected by the media and disney hype machine. people blame mcu for damaging the genre.
I doubt captain marvel will be better. I think sophie has more advantage than brie. also we know mcu track record. their best movies tend to be average compared to the best xmen movies.
no. fc and bp have nothing to do with this thread but you put your anger of BP been inferior to this thread, I was just pointing it out. lastly if i remember correctly, most did say FC was better and most did prove it. you didnt. unless ofcouse you think the proof is based in rt and box office. LMAO.
Eh? ALL MCU movies are successful and loved by the people, some just more than others. On the other hand, XCU films are hit and miss. Some are loved, some are trashed on. That's not my opinion, that's fact. As for BP, again, that has nothing to do with this thread. I already posted why it was the better movie, you just didn't reply to me. But we can talk about that in the other thread. As for this topic, just admit it, Dark Phoenix looks ridiculously bland. loved by people? kids and the dumb masses. they are successful since they are disney kid friendly movies.
Nope. BP has nothing to do with this thread, reason you should have not brought your anger of BP being Inferior to first class to this thread.
Sure DP looks ridiculously bland but remember captian marvel looked worse. infact captian marvel look so bland brie said people were sexist for saying so. DP is not that bad ....for now. and that is fact
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 25, 2018 4:42:37 GMT
Eh? ALL MCU movies are successful and loved by the people, some just more than others. On the other hand, XCU films are hit and miss. Some are loved, some are trashed on. That's not my opinion, that's fact. As for BP, again, that has nothing to do with this thread. I already posted why it was the better movie, you just didn't reply to me. But we can talk about that in the other thread. As for this topic, just admit it, Dark Phoenix looks ridiculously bland. loved by people? kids and the dumb masses. they are successful since they are disney kid friendly movies.
Nope. BP has nothing to do with this thread, reason you should have not brought your anger of BP being Inferior to first class to this thread.
Sure DP looks ridiculously bland but remember captian marvel looked worse. infact captian marvel look so bland brie said people were sexist for saying so. DP is not that bad ....for now. and that is fact
Lol at you calling the masses "dumb" when you're the one who's too stupid to know what fact means.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 25, 2018 4:49:44 GMT
loved by people? kids and the dumb masses. they are successful since they are disney kid friendly movies.
Nope. BP has nothing to do with this thread, reason you should have not brought your anger of BP being Inferior to first class to this thread.
Sure DP looks ridiculously bland but remember captian marvel looked worse. infact captian marvel look so bland brie said people were sexist for saying so. DP is not that bad ....for now. and that is fact
Lol at you calling the masses "dumb" when you're the one who's too stupid to know what fact means. remember mickey rouke from iron man 2.
''MCU movies are for the mindless massess''.
who better to say this truth than one of their own actors.
Also... I think this is why mcu and transformers are siblings. the same way TDK and Logan are siblings?
LOL...So am stupid huh? funny since I only like intellectual comic films.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 25, 2018 4:57:14 GMT
Lol at you calling the masses "dumb" when you're the one who's too stupid to know what fact means. remember mickey rouke from iron man 2.
''MCU movies are for the mindless massess''.
who better to say this truth than one of their own actors.
Also... I think this is why mcu and transformers are siblings. the same way TDK and Logan are siblings?
LOL...So am stupid huh? funny since I only like intellectual comic films.
Dude, no one will ever think you're intelligent until you actually show you know what "facts" mean.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 25, 2018 19:45:12 GMT
Yeah, because Singer and Ratner are terrible.
James Cameron was only a consultant in that Singer watched Terminator 2 a couple times.
They gave Singer credit on First Class because of the young Magneto scene that came from X-men '00.
Is Fassbender mainstream? The only movies that get "good" recognition are the X-men movies and maybe 12 Years a Slave. I mean, Assassin's Creed and The Snowman? No one cared for the Alien movies. Will he disappear back into side character hell after Dark Phoenix?
I recall Singer helped with the story. But did he really? Because the story was already done. All they did was put together the Magneto Origins movie and the original First Class movie.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 27, 2018 19:46:07 GMT
loved by people? kids and the dumb masses. they are successful since they are disney kid friendly movies.
Nope. BP has nothing to do with this thread, reason you should have not brought your anger of BP being Inferior to first class to this thread.
Sure DP looks ridiculously bland but remember captian marvel looked worse. infact captian marvel look so bland brie said people were sexist for saying so. DP is not that bad ....for now. and that is fact
Lol at you calling the masses "dumb" when you're the one who's too stupid to know what fact means. why do mcu fans take it personal?
calling me stupid is not going to erase the fact mcu has stupid movies.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 27, 2018 20:15:02 GMT
loved by people? kids and the dumb masses. they are successful since they are disney kid friendly movies.
Nope. BP has nothing to do with this thread, reason you should have not brought your anger of BP being Inferior to first class to this thread.
Sure DP looks ridiculously bland but remember captian marvel looked worse. infact captian marvel look so bland brie said people were sexist for saying so. DP is not that bad ....for now. and that is fact
Lol at you calling the masses "dumb" when you're the one who's too stupid to know what fact means. Ironic, isn’t it?
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Post by politicidal on Nov 27, 2018 20:16:23 GMT
Lol at you calling the masses "dumb" when you're the one who's too stupid to know what fact means. why do mcu fans take it personal?
calling me stupid is not going to erase my opinion that the mcu has stupid movies.
fixed it for ya. Now buy me a beer.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 27, 2018 20:16:36 GMT
Lol at you calling the masses "dumb" when you're the one who's too stupid to know what fact means. why do mcu fans take it personal?
calling me stupid is not going to erase the fact mcu has stupid movies.
Who's taking it personally? Calling the MCU movies stupid doesn't change the fact that you have repeatedly demonstrated that you don't know what fact means.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 27, 2018 20:18:15 GMT
why do mcu fans take it personal?
calling me stupid is not going to erase the fact mcu has stupid movies.
Who's taking it personally? Calling the MCU movies stupid doesn't change the fact that you have repeatedly demonstrated that you don't know what fact means. Uh uh uh, “factual theory”.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 16:27:17 GMT
I just posted this in the MCU forum talking about comparing Dark Phoenix to Captain Marvel, but this is really a reaction to actually watching the trailer for the movie. I thought the guy was going to try to get closer to the original story, but it looks like he's just acting like he's getting closer to the original story? I was just excited he would get a chance to tell it right and assumed he would given the chance. I can see some of the trepidation others have for this one now!:
I just watched that Dark Phoenix trailer... wth? Looks like Kinberg won't let go of Jean being some inherently evil Tom Riddlesque story? I know he puts the phoenix force into this one as an influence at least, but Grey was never some tetering towards evil thing under the control of Xavier to keep her from losing it in the comics was she? Was there some retcon in the comics?
Or is this just Kinberg's ego? I'm not that up on the comics. I remember the original storyline, where I thought a relatively virtuous Grey was a child that telepathically linked with a dying friend and went into a coma who was helped out of it by Xavier and he helped her develop her powers. Doesn't this one look like she tries to kill her parents and she is wrestling with her true self only to have Phoenix tilt her over the edge when Xavier can no longer control her?
This makes the character weak and just a mutant power pawn for either Xavier or the Force to control by influence, once again, and never anything else. That wasn't, at least to me, this character's identity. It's the same thing that killed X3 and it will kill this one too if that's the case. I sure hope the trailer and the movie are different and give us a character that's a little more self determinate.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 6, 2018 0:47:20 GMT
I just posted this in the MCU forum talking about comparing Dark Phoenix to Captain Marvel, but this is really a reaction to actually watching the trailer for the movie. I thought the guy was going to try to get closer to the original story, but it looks like he's just acting like he's getting closer to the original story? I was just excited he would get a chance to tell it right and assumed he would given the chance. I can see some of the trepidation others have for this one now!: I just watched that Dark Phoenix trailer... wth? Looks like Kinberg won't let go of Jean being some inherently evil Tom Riddlesque story? I know he puts the phoenix force into this one as an influence at least, but Grey was never some tetering towards evil thing under the control of Xavier to keep her from losing it in the comics was she? Was there some retcon in the comics? Or is this just Kinberg's ego? I'm not that up on the comics. I remember the original storyline, where I thought a relatively virtuous Grey was a child that telepathically linked with a dying friend and went into a coma who was helped out of it by Xavier and he helped her develop her powers. Doesn't this one look like she tries to kill her parents and she is wrestling with her true self only to have Phoenix tilt her over the edge when Xavier can no longer control her? This makes the character weak and just a mutant power pawn for either Xavier or the Force to control by influence, once again, and never anything else. That wasn't, at least to me, this character's identity. It's the same thing that killed X3 and it will kill this one too if that's the case. I sure hope the trailer and the movie are different and give us a character that's a little more self determinate. Fox never really took the time and effort to understand the X-men and its characters. They would take the name of the character, their powersets, get a few ideas and inspirations from comics, then make up their own version of that character anyway. I mean, Fox has made some good (and some bad) X-men movies but I never really got the feeling that Fox respected its source material.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 7, 2018 9:48:37 GMT
I just posted this in the MCU forum talking about comparing Dark Phoenix to Captain Marvel, but this is really a reaction to actually watching the trailer for the movie. I thought the guy was going to try to get closer to the original story, but it looks like he's just acting like he's getting closer to the original story? I was just excited he would get a chance to tell it right and assumed he would given the chance. I can see some of the trepidation others have for this one now!: I just watched that Dark Phoenix trailer... wth? Looks like Kinberg won't let go of Jean being some inherently evil Tom Riddlesque story? I know he puts the phoenix force into this one as an influence at least, but Grey was never some tetering towards evil thing under the control of Xavier to keep her from losing it in the comics was she? Was there some retcon in the comics? Or is this just Kinberg's ego? I'm not that up on the comics. I remember the original storyline, where I thought a relatively virtuous Grey was a child that telepathically linked with a dying friend and went into a coma who was helped out of it by Xavier and he helped her develop her powers. Doesn't this one look like she tries to kill her parents and she is wrestling with her true self only to have Phoenix tilt her over the edge when Xavier can no longer control her? This makes the character weak and just a mutant power pawn for either Xavier or the Force to control by influence, once again, and never anything else. That wasn't, at least to me, this character's identity. It's the same thing that killed X3 and it will kill this one too if that's the case. I sure hope the trailer and the movie are different and give us a character that's a little more self determinate. Fox never really took the time and effort to understand the X-men and its characters. They would take the name of the character, their powersets, get a few ideas and inspirations from comics, then make up their own version of that character anyway. I mean, Fox has made some good (and some bad) X-men movies but I never really got the feeling that Fox respected its source material. if that was true about fox and the source material than it will be the fox movies that would have damaged cinema unfortunately that is mcu not xmen. once again mcu fanboys go into lying mode.
DOFP was a still a dystopian dark drama right? what was ultron again? the soruce material?
let's look at source material of xmen films every source material it drew from got the content and story arc right is that the sane for GOTG? Age of Ultron? ragnarok, Iron man sequels, or even your avengers
funny mcu fans talk of xmen source material and never read any. the source material of xmen are still heavily felt in the movies. your mcu movies at this point are not just disney kids comedy not even marvel itself sinc even the 90s marvel cartoons are more marvel than mcu
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 7, 2018 13:57:00 GMT
Fox never really took the time and effort to understand the X-men and its characters. They would take the name of the character, their powersets, get a few ideas and inspirations from comics, then make up their own version of that character anyway. I mean, Fox has made some good (and some bad) X-men movies but I never really got the feeling that Fox respected its source material. if that was true about fox and the source material than it will be the fox movies that would have damaged cinema unfortunately that is mcu not xmen. once again mcu fanboys go into lying mode.
DOFP was a still a dystopian dark drama right? what was ultron again? the soruce material?
let's look at source material of xmen films every source material it drew from got the content and story arc right is that the sane for GOTG? Age of Ultron? ragnarok, Iron man sequels, or even your avengers
funny mcu fans talk of xmen source material and never read any. the source material of xmen are still heavily felt in the movies. your mcu movies at this point are not just disney kids comedy not even marvel itself sinc even the 90s marvel cartoons are more marvel than mcu
Age of Ultron is based on his 1st appearances in the late 60s. Not on the comic story of that name. Just like how DoFP is based more on "Among Us Stalk... the Sentinels".
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