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Post by sostie on Nov 22, 2018 15:51:06 GMT
"Marvel And Ryan Coogler Have Delivered A Superb Blockbuster With A Brain". - comicbookmovie.com "Black Panther isn't just beautiful — it's got brains to spare" - thestar.com "a superhero flick with brains and brawn" - mymbuzz.com "Black Panther is not only one of the most entertaining recent superhero films but has an intelligence and a political dimension that such inchoate offerings as Suicide Squad and Justice League completely lacked". - independent.co.uk "This is a film with brains, muscle and heart that moves, breathes and thinks like no other" - detroitnews.com "Intelligent, imaginative action-adventure" - newsday.com "black panther rules as smart socially powerful superhero cinema" - forbes.com "Black Panther is not just smart and politically aware for a superhero film -- it's smart and politically aware, full stop". - newstatseman.com Don't recall any plan to start a race war in Thor The German accents were better than the accents from a fictional isolated African nation! first class is a movie with brains and depth that is actually earned from the film making...the art. unfortunately for black panther the brains is because the cast is black. since the movie is the same as thor 1 and most critics did not call thor 1 briany movie.also see my points, that is the brains of first class. something absent with black panther.
You claim critics called X-Men First Class a "comic film with brains and depth". One quick google Black Panther, review and brains gave me those examples within 2 or 3 pages...something apparently the critics didn't think according to you. Oh the same search with X-Men First Class was less fruitful. Not what you said though is it (even though I haven't a clue what you mean above) What!!!!!! A few vaguely similar plot similarities, different story, different film. You boil down First Class to a few plot points and its similar to numerous films. Still, it must be a far better and intelligent film because its got the German accents spot-on.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 22, 2018 15:51:49 GMT
"Marvel And Ryan Coogler Have Delivered A Superb Blockbuster With A Brain". - comicbookmovie.com "Black Panther isn't just beautiful — it's got brains to spare" - thestar.com "a superhero flick with brains and brawn" - mymbuzz.com "Black Panther is not only one of the most entertaining recent superhero films but has an intelligence and a political dimension that such inchoate offerings as Suicide Squad and Justice League completely lacked". - independent.co.uk "This is a film with brains, muscle and heart that moves, breathes and thinks like no other" - detroitnews.com "Intelligent, imaginative action-adventure" - newsday.com "black panther rules as smart socially powerful superhero cinema" - forbes.com "Black Panther is not just smart and politically aware for a superhero film -- it's smart and politically aware, full stop". - newstatseman.com Don't recall any plan to start a race war in Thor The German accents were better than the accents from a fictional isolated African nation! first class is a movie with brains and depth that is actually earned from the film making...the art. unfortunately for black panther the brains is because the cast is black. since the movie is the same as thor 1 and most critics did not call thor 1 briany movie.also see my points, that is the brains of first class. something absent with black panther.
So what were you telling others when Madea films were getting trashed by critics? I need to hear this.
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 22, 2018 15:58:07 GMT
Oh that’s right. Still stupid. not really... for magneto. you cant factually say it is stupid since what magneto did was use good psychology. some humans needs to be put in dangerous situation before they grow the nerves to survive and finally overcome their fear. magneto did just that for banshee. made him overcome his fear. dictionary does not call that stupid.
this also opens a bigger topic remember the shuri is smart even though we have never seen her study or practice? in first class we see the new mutants at school training to be better fighters and scientist. this is part of the depth that black panther lacks as well.
And if Magneto was wrong? Banshee dead. 🤷🏼♂️
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 15:58:09 GMT
[The scenes are in not so similar because the set up to their conflict is a completely different story. Magneto and Xavier's story of friendship and division drove the entire film. While Killmomger's and Black Panther's story was one of separate lives. It would be out of character for the two to suddenly have a heartfelt deep interaction like Xavier and Magneto had. Yea the scenes aren't exactly the same but its a loose comparison of a basic film trope where villain and hero confront before fighting. The main gist is that in MCU most films, their dialogue is mostly basic and short. They just want to get to the action in a hurry. Both those clips are around 4 minutes long, but First Class one spends its time to slowly build the tension before any action occurs. Black Panthers is a few basic lines and boom, its clobbering time. Same thing happens later in Black Panther when TChalla reveals hes still alive before the war. A few basic lines and we are immeditatly into CGI rhinos and Wakanda soldiers pummelling each other. Compare that to the tense, dramatic build up between Magneto and Shaw in the submarine before he puts the coin through his head. Just watching these short clips shows you why Xmen first class made a pittance over what Black panther made, because Black Panthers story is generic, there's more style than substance with its CGI fights, the villain is 1 dimensional and the dialogue is straightforward so mass audiences from all over the world can easily follow it.. This isn't a opinion, its a fact that can be DEMONSTRATED. (talking to skaathar) I'm even having trouble with why these two films were picked for comparison, other than they both come from the comic book genre. First Class is the relaunch of a franchise and shows at its core the relationships between what will eventually be the protagonists and antagonists of the whole thing. Black Panther is the introduction of a character and his world that is being added to an established franchise. It is more about his place in that franchise and gives us a story about his world.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 22, 2018 16:00:51 GMT
not really... for magneto. you cant factually say it is stupid since what magneto did was use good psychology. some humans needs to be put in dangerous situation before they grow the nerves to survive and finally overcome their fear. magneto did just that for banshee. made him overcome his fear. dictionary does not call that stupid.
this also opens a bigger topic remember the shuri is smart even though we have never seen her study or practice? in first class we see the new mutants at school training to be better fighters and scientist. this is part of the depth that black panther lacks as well.
And if Magneto was wrong? Banshee dead. 🤷🏼♂️ and that is the genius of it. magneto knew he was not wrong.
in the real world... we call it reverse psychology parenting.
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Post by sostie on Nov 22, 2018 16:03:14 GMT
Yea the scenes aren't exactly the same but its a loose comparison of a basic film trope where villain and hero confront before fighting. The main gist is that in MCU most films, their dialogue is mostly basic and short. They just want to get to the action in a hurry. Both those clips are around 4 minutes long, but First Class one spends its time to slowly build the tension before any action occurs. Black Panthers is a few basic lines and boom, its clobbering time. Same thing happens later in Black Panther when TChalla reveals hes still alive before the war. A few basic lines and we are immeditatly into CGI rhinos and Wakanda soldiers pummelling each other. Compare that to the tense, dramatic build up between Magneto and Shaw in the submarine before he puts the coin through his head. Just watching these short clips shows you why Xmen first class made a pittance over what Black panther made, because Black Panthers story is generic, there's more style than substance with its CGI fights, the villain is 1 dimensional and the dialogue is straightforward so mass audiences from all over the world can easily follow it.. This isn't a opinion, its a fact that can be DEMONSTRATED. (talking to skaathar) I'm even having trouble with why these two films were picked for comparison, other than they both come from the comic book genre. They were picked because he is extremely pro X-Verse but very anti MCU. This isn't the first thread of this ilk
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 16:07:28 GMT
And if Magneto was wrong? Banshee dead. 🤷🏼♂️ and that is the genius of it. magneto knew he was not wrong.
in the real world... we call it reverse psychology parenting. In the real world we call it attempted murder.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 22, 2018 16:16:14 GMT
and that is the genius of it. magneto knew he was not wrong.
in the real world... we call it reverse psychology parenting. In the real world we call it attempted murder. not really. in the real world it will be a solider who signed up to fight now be forced to fight in the actual war.
poor mcu fans, they cant handle first class harsh world. they like their wakanda disney la la world where vibranum solves all their problem without any struggle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 16:26:36 GMT
In the real world we call it attempted murder. not really. in the real world it will be a solider who signed up to fight now be forced to fight in the actual war.
poor mcu fans, they cant handle first class harsh world. they like their wakanda disney la la world where vibranum solves all their problem without any struggle.
I have found a way to enjoy things from all the franchises thank you very much. I personally liked First Class over Black Panther, but I'm not so closed minded to think that other rational thinking people that aren't some sort of inferior movie goer to me would feel differently. And I'll support them in being able to express their opinion without being treated as some sort of childish rabble.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 22, 2018 16:45:35 GMT
First Class is a wordier film... and Summers8 interprets that as First Class automatically having better acting. Anyway, it's a fact that BP is considered by the general populace to be better than First Class. That's just the way it is. “But that’s factually impossible!!!”
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Post by hobowar on Nov 22, 2018 17:11:23 GMT
I actually remember seeing daddy panther die which is more than I can say for mommy cornetto. X-Men: First Class is the only X-Men movie that isn't Twilight level garbage and it still can't reach Black Panther's level of depth, quality or character development.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 17:43:35 GMT
I still can't bring myself to believe there's a Logan/Day of Future Past divide. In so many of your posts you casually include Days of Future Past like it's one of the de facto better movies. I don't think it's anywhere near as good as Logan..
Part of why I didn't care for Days of Future Past on a personal level is how much of First Class it undid. First Class rejuvenated the series, brought a bunch of genuine fresh faces and roles and Days of Future Past virtually wiped them all out. Showed a lot of them as deceased and essentially rebooted the X-Men First Class finally broke away from. There's no need to go back to Stewart or McCellan now that McAvoy and Fassbender took up the reigns.
First Class is way better than Black Panther but I do not accept Days of Future Past as being at that level too.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 22, 2018 18:47:13 GMT
Ok. Let's compare Black Panther and First Class by using actual facts and not summers8 made up facts.
-RT critic percentage- BP: 97% FC: 86%
-RT audience percentage- BP: 79% FC: 87%
-RT critics average score- BP: 8.2/10 FC: 7.4/10
-RT audience average score- BP: 4.1/5 FC: 4/5
-IMDB score- BP: 7.4 FC: 7.7
-Metacritic score- BP: 88 FC: 65
-Fandango- BP: 5 stars FC: 4.5 stars
-Box Office- BP: $1.3 billion FC: $353 million
-People's opinions regarding which is the better movie within this thread- BP: 6 FC: 3
And so you'll see with all of those figures, FC only outclasses BP in 2 metrics whereas BP dominates in 7. Therefore what we can conclude, based on factual data, is that Black Panther is a better movie than First Class. And that's a fact. Whether you prefer one or the other is simply based on your opinion.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 22, 2018 18:54:16 GMT
I'm curious, Nancy, who you trying to convince here? Everyone else, or just yourself to make you feel better? You seem to have an obsession with this comparison between these two films because you can't get over the fact that the general consensus is that Black Panther is a better film.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 22, 2018 19:00:19 GMT
XM1C could be Citizen Cane, but it would still be shackled by a cast of character with a variety of ridiculous superpowers. Did I really see someone propelling themself through the air via flatulance? ... or was that propulsion emitting from the other end? Bumble bee girl? Teen wolf? You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a silly pig. good point... I still remember some of the Briticism of TDK from another director that is is still a stupid movie because the guy is dressed up as a bat.
what mcu movies does is fulfil all the negative stereotypes of comic movies. films like first class or tdk at least tries to bring some intelligence to them despite someone dressing up as a bat and someone with super powers. they are still grounded and themed social forcus. most comic films had to do that due to the ill fated batman and robin when the genre nearly died.
mcu movies have been remaking batman and robin since 2010 all silly, jokey and goofy...thank goodness people are speaking out now.
I'm confused, who's speaking out? Infinity War made 2 billion. If people are speaking out, then why did it make so much money? You're trying to sound smart again, Nancy, and you just come off as a douchebag.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 22, 2018 19:47:16 GMT
Ok. Let's compare Black Panther and First Class by using actual facts and not summers8 made up facts. -RT critic percentage- BP: 97%FC: 86% -RT audience percentage- BP: 79% FC: 87%-RT critics average score- BP: 8.2/10FC: 7.4/10 -RT audience average score- BP: 4.1/5FC: 4/5 -IMDB score- BP: 7.4 FC: 7.7-Metacritic score- BP: 88FC: 65 -Fandango- BP: 5 starsFC: 4.5 stars -Box Office- BP: $1.3 billionFC: $353 million -People's opinions regarding which is the better movie within this thread- BP: 6FC: 3 And so you'll see with all of those figures, FC only outclasses BP in 2 metrics whereas BP dominates in 7. Therefore what we can conclude, based on factual data, is that Black Panther is a better movie than First Class. And that's a fact. Whether you prefer one or the other is simply based on your opinion. and that is why you lost. . notice you cant talk about black panther in depth? funny this mcu fans told us to ignore rt when wonder woman was the highest rated. I never used it not once even when it was logan or tdk that were the highest rated
black panther a movie rated high because of racism and the disney marvel pr machine vs first class a movie judge fairly...who really wins?
ever read the martin scorese article about rt and box office
Scorsese said films should be looked at for content and film making and quality..
funny huh....this is why mcu is on the loosing streak with most film maker too. xmen and dc fans can debate their film by artistic merit..mcu fans hide behind shallow thing like box office and rt score that disney marvel can easily influence. they cant talk about their films in depth. lol..I am influenced by martin scorsese intelligence..you have influenced by????if BP is better, why not make a list like I did to explain why and back it up with scenes. if you cant. than BP is inferior.... that is the only way to judge a better a film.
lol..rt. iron man 3 and age of ultron are rated higher than gladiator and forrest gump. two arguably well deserved best picture oscar wins. what a joke.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 22, 2018 19:49:10 GMT
good point... I still remember some of the Briticism of TDK from another director that is is still a stupid movie because the guy is dressed up as a bat.
what mcu movies does is fulfil all the negative stereotypes of comic movies. films like first class or tdk at least tries to bring some intelligence to them despite someone dressing up as a bat and someone with super powers. they are still grounded and themed social forcus. most comic films had to do that due to the ill fated batman and robin when the genre nearly died.
mcu movies have been remaking batman and robin since 2010 all silly, jokey and goofy...thank goodness people are speaking out now.
I'm confused, who's speaking out? Infinity War made 2 billion. If people are speaking out, then why did it make so much money? You're trying to sound smart again, Nancy, and you just come off as a douchebag. First class and batman begins made less than 400m..the two movies are of a higher and intellectuality quality to infinity war just for the fact that both movies had a plot and is not nearly 100 a cgi movie.
IW hurt cinema this year...big time.james cameron was right all along.
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Post by hobowar on Nov 22, 2018 20:01:35 GMT
I'm confused, who's speaking out? Infinity War made 2 billion. If people are speaking out, then why did it make so much money? You're trying to sound smart again, Nancy, and you just come off as a douchebag. First class and batman begins made less than 400m..the two movies are of a higher and intellectuality quality to infinity war just for the fact that both movies had a plot and is not nearly 100 a cgi movie.
IW hurt cinema this year...big time.james cameron was right all along.
The hidden meaning: I don't really know what I'm talking about so I'll keep using words like "intellectual."
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 22, 2018 20:03:53 GMT
I'm confused, who's speaking out? Infinity War made 2 billion. If people are speaking out, then why did it make so much money? You're trying to sound smart again, Nancy, and you just come off as a douchebag. First class and batman begins made less than 400m..the two movies are of a higher and intellectuality quality to infinity war just for the fact that both movies had a plot and is not nearly 100 a cgi movie.
IW hurt cinema this year...big time.james cameron was right all along.
Bet you had to sound that out before typing it.
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Post by hobowar on Nov 22, 2018 20:04:56 GMT
I'm confused, who's speaking out? Infinity War made 2 billion. If people are speaking out, then why did it make so much money? You're trying to sound smart again, Nancy, and you just come off as a douchebag. First class and batman begins made less than 400m..the two movies are of a higher and intellectuality quality to infinity war just for the fact that both movies had a plot and is not nearly 100 a cgi movie.
IW hurt cinema this year...big time.james cameron was right all along.
"Attachment to the material is detachment from the spiritual" - Wong summers8 can you tell why this is lacking in depth or substance?
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