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Post by Skaathar on Nov 22, 2018 20:35:00 GMT
Ok. Let's compare Black Panther and First Class by using actual facts and not summers8 made up facts. -RT critic percentage- BP: 97%FC: 86% -RT audience percentage- BP: 79% FC: 87%-RT critics average score- BP: 8.2/10FC: 7.4/10 -RT audience average score- BP: 4.1/5FC: 4/5 -IMDB score- BP: 7.4 FC: 7.7-Metacritic score- BP: 88FC: 65 -Fandango- BP: 5 starsFC: 4.5 stars -Box Office- BP: $1.3 billionFC: $353 million -People's opinions regarding which is the better movie within this thread- BP: 6FC: 3 And so you'll see with all of those figures, FC only outclasses BP in 2 metrics whereas BP dominates in 7. Therefore what we can conclude, based on factual data, is that Black Panther is a better movie than First Class. And that's a fact. Whether you prefer one or the other is simply based on your opinion. and that is why you lost. . notice you cant talk about black panther in depth? funny this mcu fans told us to ignore rt when wonder woman was the highest rated. I never used it not once even when it was logan or tdk that were the highest rated
black panther a movie rated high because of racism and the disney marvel pr machine vs first class a movie judge fairly...who really wins?
ever read the martin scorese article about rt and box office
Scorsese said films should be looked at for content and film making and quality..
funny huh....this is why mcu is on the loosing streak with most film maker too. xmen and dc fans can debate their film by artistic merit..mcu fans hide behind shallow thing like box office and rt score that disney marvel can easily influence. they cant talk about their films in depth. lol..I am influenced by martin scorsese intelligence..you have influenced by????if BP is better, why not make a list like I did to explain why and back it up with scenes. if you cant. than BP is inferior.... that is the only way to judge a better a film.
lol..rt. iron man 3 and age of ultron are rated higher than gladiator and forrest gump. two arguably well deserved best picture oscar wins. what a joke.
blah blah blah blah.... in short, you're unable to refute the facts presented to you and are now trying to drown it with a whole bunch of made-up denials on your part. Of course I can talk about BP in depth but why should I when the person I'm talking to is intent on being completely dishonest about the topic? Do you even have a single objective thought in your brain? If First Class was better why can't you back it up with facts? Why do you keep having to lie about it and make stuff up? Tell you what, how bout you put a poll on this thread and ask people to vote on which movie they prefer? Or don't you have the guts to do that?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 22, 2018 20:40:20 GMT
Do I detect insecurity? Yes, yes I do. You can't stand that other people like a movie better than another and made this thread hoping to...I don't even know because by now you should be aware of the opinions of others on here and can expected what they'll say in response. Most of your support comes from DC_Fan, who isn't really somebody you'd want to be friends with.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 22, 2018 20:47:21 GMT
Do I detect insecurity? Yes, yes I do. You can't stand that other people like a movie better than another and made this thread hoping to...I don't even know because by now you should be aware of the opinions of others on here and can expected what they'll say in response. Most of your support comes from DC_Fan, who isn't really somebody you'd want to be friends with. hmmmm. I gave about 10 strong points of what makes first class superior. strong opinions.
poor mcu fans. they cant even talk about the plot of black panther.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 22, 2018 20:52:12 GMT
and that is why you lost. . notice you cant talk about black panther in depth? funny this mcu fans told us to ignore rt when wonder woman was the highest rated. I never used it not once even when it was logan or tdk that were the highest rated
black panther a movie rated high because of racism and the disney marvel pr machine vs first class a movie judge fairly...who really wins?
ever read the martin scorese article about rt and box office
Scorsese said films should be looked at for content and film making and quality..
funny huh....this is why mcu is on the loosing streak with most film maker too. xmen and dc fans can debate their film by artistic merit..mcu fans hide behind shallow thing like box office and rt score that disney marvel can easily influence. they cant talk about their films in depth. lol..I am influenced by martin scorsese intelligence..you have influenced by????if BP is better, why not make a list like I did to explain why and back it up with scenes. if you cant. than BP is inferior.... that is the only way to judge a better a film.
lol..rt. iron man 3 and age of ultron are rated higher than gladiator and forrest gump. two arguably well deserved best picture oscar wins. what a joke.
blah blah blah blah.... in short, you're unable to refute the facts presented to you and are now trying to drown it with a whole bunch of made-up denials on your part. Of course I can talk about BP in depth but why should I when the person I'm talking to is intent on being completely dishonest about the topic? Do you even have a single objective thought in your brain? If First Class was better why can't you back it up with facts? Why do you keep having to lie about it and make stuff up? Tell you what, how bout you put a poll on this thread and ask people to vote on which movie they prefer? Or don't you have the guts to do that? why cant I back it up with facts. I did.
better story, deeper themes, better technicality, stronger performances, stronger screenplay.
You mcu fans make me laugh. I hope u guys know that when DC-fan was using RT he was trolling you people.dc-fan knew batman begins and tdk were still stronger movies than wonder woman. the fact that mcu fans are using rt as facts makes me laugh. the joke is on u. next please.... maybe if mcu did not ban mature content in their movies. BP would have been better.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 20:55:07 GMT
Do I detect insecurity? Yes, yes I do. You can't stand that other people like a movie better than another and made this thread hoping to...I don't even know because by now you should be aware of the opinions of others on here and can expected what they'll say in response. Most of your support comes from DC_Fan, who isn't really somebody you'd want to be friends with. hmmmm. I gave about 10 strong points of what makes first class superior. strong opinions.
poor mcu fans. they cant even talk about the plot of black panther.
Oh I can talk about the plot of BP plenty!! What part do you need help with?
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 22, 2018 20:55:32 GMT
blah blah blah blah.... in short, you're unable to refute the facts presented to you and are now trying to drown it with a whole bunch of made-up denials on your part. Of course I can talk about BP in depth but why should I when the person I'm talking to is intent on being completely dishonest about the topic? Do you even have a single objective thought in your brain? If First Class was better why can't you back it up with facts? Why do you keep having to lie about it and make stuff up? Tell you what, how bout you put a poll on this thread and ask people to vote on which movie they prefer? Or don't you have the guts to do that? why cant I back it up with facts. I did.
better story, deeper themes, better technicality, stronger performances, stronger screenplay.
You mcu fans make me laugh. I hope u guys know that when DC-fan was using RT he was trolling you people.dc-fan knew batman begins and tdk were still stronger movies than wonder woman. the fact that mcu fans are using rt as facts makes me laugh. the joke is on u. next please.... maybe if mcu did not ban mature content in their movies. BP would have been better. Ok, do yourself a favor, Summers8. Go and research what FACTS mean. Take an online course if you have to, ask your old gradeschool teacher if you have to. But stop using the word until you actually know what it means. Because this: shows that you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I also see that you're unwilling to put up a poll in this thread.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 22, 2018 21:02:40 GMT
blah blah blah blah.... in short, you're unable to refute the facts presented to you and are now trying to drown it with a whole bunch of made-up denials on your part. Of course I can talk about BP in depth but why should I when the person I'm talking to is intent on being completely dishonest about the topic? Do you even have a single objective thought in your brain? If First Class was better why can't you back it up with facts? Why do you keep having to lie about it and make stuff up? Tell you what, how bout you put a poll on this thread and ask people to vote on which movie they prefer? Or don't you have the guts to do that? why cant I back it up with facts. I did.
better story, deeper themes, better technicality, stronger performances, stronger screenplay.
You mcu fans make me laugh. I hope u guys know that when DC-fan was using RT he was trolling you people.dc-fan knew batman begins and tdk were still stronger movies than wonder woman. the fact that mcu fans are using rt as facts makes me laugh. the joke is on u. next please.... maybe if mcu did not ban mature content in their movies. BP would have been better. Everything you just listed are... Wait for it... *ahem* opinion...
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 22, 2018 21:26:22 GMT
Do I detect insecurity? Yes, yes I do. You can't stand that other people like a movie better than another and made this thread hoping to...I don't even know because by now you should be aware of the opinions of others on here and can expected what they'll say in response. Most of your support comes from DC_Fan, who isn't really somebody you'd want to be friends with. hmmmm. I gave about 10 strong points of what makes first class superior. strong opinions.
poor mcu fans. they cant even talk about the plot of black panther.
All of which were subjective, riddled with ego stroking and pretentiousness. Actually we all would, but your ego won't give any credit or acknowledgement.
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Post by havenless on Nov 22, 2018 21:31:22 GMT
I like them about the same. Both have very different flaws, but both excelled at casting.
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Post by scabab on Nov 22, 2018 21:35:16 GMT
I'd give both movies an 8/10 myself. If I had to give an edge to one over the other I'd probably go with First Class.
First Class has the better story, acting and character moments and Black Panther has the better action and world.
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Post by redpyramidthing on Nov 22, 2018 21:58:29 GMT
I always thought that First Class could've been much, much better and the chance to get the X-men right, but they chose not to, so I never really liked it. Watchable movie, though.
On the other hand, the first time I tried to watch Black Panther I fell asleep. Tried again, but stopped watching after the first fight between BP and Killmonger and never bothered to finish.
So yeah, for me First Class is the better movie.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 22, 2018 22:10:59 GMT
3 pages in and no one has refuted summer8s OP on actual segments from the 2 movies. Can anyone show a clip from Black Panther that rivals the acting in the satellite dish scene? Or a BP scene which matches the intensity of Magneto killing Shaw with the coin? Or a scene which surpasses the cinematography of lifting the submarine scene?
Lot of talk on critics scores and conjecture about box office. Nothing about actually studying both movies on a direct level. Deflections.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 22, 2018 22:12:37 GMT
3 pages in and no one has refuted summer8s OP on actual segments from the 2 movies. Can anyone show a clip from Black Panther that rivals the acting in the satellite dish scene? Or a BP scene which matches the intensity of Magneto killing Shaw with the coin? Or a scene which surpasses the cinematography of lifting the submarine scene? Lot of talk on critics scores and conjecture about box office. Nothing about actually studying both movies on a direct level. Deflections. Why should we? I can post multiple vids from BP that I think rivals his posted clips, but why bother when this guy is so biased he thinks his opinions equal fact.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 22, 2018 22:17:48 GMT
blah blah blah blah.... in short, you're unable to refute the facts presented to you and are now trying to drown it with a whole bunch of made-up denials on your part. Of course I can talk about BP in depth but why should I when the person I'm talking to is intent on being completely dishonest about the topic? Do you even have a single objective thought in your brain? If First Class was better why can't you back it up with facts? Why do you keep having to lie about it and make stuff up? Tell you what, how bout you put a poll on this thread and ask people to vote on which movie they prefer? Or don't you have the guts to do that? why cant I back it up with facts. I did.
better story, deeper themes, better technicality, stronger performances, stronger screenplay.
You mcu fans make me laugh. I hope u guys know that when DC-fan was using RT he was trolling you people.dc-fan knew batman begins and tdk were still stronger movies than wonder woman. the fact that mcu fans are using rt as facts makes me laugh. the joke is on u. next please.... maybe if mcu did not ban mature content in their movies. BP would have been better. “Better technicality”? ‘X-Men: First Class’?
I'm sorry, but I just can't. 'X-Men: First Class' was one of the most cheap-looking "good" big-budget film I've seen in my entire life from CGI, costumes, sets, makeups, and so many more. I know that 'Black Panther' also got a similar criticism regarding CGI, but I have not heard a SINGLE legit criticism about its costumes, sets, makeups, and so on.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 22, 2018 22:17:56 GMT
3 pages in and no one has refuted summer8s OP on actual segments from the 2 movies. Can anyone show a clip from Black Panther that rivals the acting in the satellite dish scene? Or a BP scene which matches the intensity of Magneto killing Shaw with the coin? Or a scene which surpasses the cinematography of lifting the submarine scene? Lot of talk on critics scores and conjecture about box office. Nothing about actually studying both movies on a direct level. Deflections. Why should we? It's obvious he's biased enough to think his opinions are facts. I can post multiple vids from BP that I think rivals his posted clips, but why bother? If you think hes biased then therrs no point replying with box office and critic scores either. There needs to be a common agreed grounds for comparison on both sides to examine if one is better than the other and only way to do that is discuss the actual movies themselves, not talk about external influences.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 22, 2018 22:19:51 GMT
I'd give both movies an 8/10 myself. If I had to give an edge to one over the other I'd probably go with First Class. First Class has the better story, acting and character moments and Black Panther has the better action and world. I disagree with action due to the poor cgi of BP and little imagination. not that I give a darm about civil war but most mcu fans said BP had better action scenes in civil war. the blame falls on disney than ryan coolger. he is a creed guy not a disney guy.
I can give you 2 scenes in first class that outclassed BP in action
this scene is a top 3 greatest action comic moment because it managed to combine great CGI, music score and a huge character development for magneto. also to see the awe of the usa and Russian soviet soldiers was just cinema magic. reminds me of when Allen and Ellie see the dinosaurs for the first time in Jurassic park.
seriously what action scene in black panther is that memorable to magneto lifitng a submarine with Serenity and not rage? fantastic story telling too.
also the other action scene of magneto hunting down nazis. this scene alone must have been why Tarentino named first class as one of his top movies of 2011.
can we even tell the difference from inglorious bastards
I do feel sorry for black panther. this is the difference when disney makes your formula movies to when your movie is made by a director that is given full artistic freedom to show his talent like mathew vaughn.
mcu fans like justyouraveragejoe, judgejosephdredd and skaathar are too busy obsessing with rt that means nothing when it comes to better films...they cant talk about film craft talk-less of cross referencing it to other great films (jurassic park and inglorious bastards) to shows your movies does have quality, at this point..its just sad.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 22, 2018 22:23:57 GMT
Why should we? It's obvious he's biased enough to think his opinions are facts. I can post multiple vids from BP that I think rivals his posted clips, but why bother? If you think hes biased then therrs no point replying with box office and critic scores either. There needs to be a common agreed grounds for comparison on both sides to examine if one is better than the other and only way to do that is discuss the actual movies themselves, not talk about external influences. Why is there no point? Box office numbers is the most unbiased metric in movies. Critic scores and audience scores are nothing but opinions as well but they at least show a general consensus, and when it comes to judging a movie's quality then a professional critic's opinion matters a lot more than some anti-MCU guy named summers8. But BO numbers, there's no opinion on that. That's pure data. And when you combine that with better critical ratings and pretty good audience scores then it's clear BP is held as a better movie than FC.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 22, 2018 22:24:01 GMT
I will say the hand to hand fight scenes are better choreographed in Black panther because theres not much combat in First Class. The young mutants they picked have pretty lame powers except Havoc.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 22, 2018 22:25:08 GMT
If you think hes biased then therrs no point replying with box office and critic scores either. There needs to be a common agreed grounds for comparison on both sides to examine if one is better than the other and only way to do that is discuss the actual movies themselves, not talk about external influences. Why is there no point? Box office numbers is the most unbiased metric in movies. Critic scores and audience scores are nothing but opinions as well but they at least show a general consensus, and when it comes to judging a movie's quality then a professional critic's opinion matters a lot more than some anti-MCU guy named summers8. But BO numbers, there's no opinion on that. That's pure data. And when you combine that with better critical ratings and pretty good audience scores then it's clear BP is held as a better movie than FC. I dont care what critics or other people think about it, im more interested in knowing why you think something is good or bad and your justifications behind it thats a purpose of a movie chat forum
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 22:32:34 GMT
3 pages in and no one has refuted summer8s OP on actual segments from the 2 movies. Can anyone show a clip from Black Panther that rivals the acting in the satellite dish scene? Or a BP scene which matches the intensity of Magneto killing Shaw with the coin? Or a scene which surpasses the cinematography of lifting the submarine scene? Lot of talk on critics scores and conjecture about box office. Nothing about actually studying both movies on a direct level. Deflections. Ok, he didn't show scenes from 2 movies, and I detest long chopped up responses on message boards back and forth that inhibit congruent communication. So I'll tackle his first subjective statement with a statement that is just as subjective and does absolutely nothing objective either: Ok. I'll make a similar subjective statement: 2 subjective observations. Two pretty good motivations to create a character bent on revenge. How can one be held in higher regard than the other? Show me how these two subjective observations can be objectively rectified as one being somehow factually more powerful than the other and we will continue through that load of subjective observations one by one.
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