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Post by sostie on Nov 22, 2018 22:34:01 GMT
Do I detect insecurity? Yes, yes I do. You can't stand that other people like a movie better than another and made this thread hoping to...I don't even know because by now you should be aware of the opinions of others on here and can expected what they'll say in response. Most of your support comes from DC_Fan, who isn't really somebody you'd want to be friends with. hmmmm. I gave about 10 strong points of what makes first class superior. strong opinions.
poor mcu fans. they cant even talk about the plot of black panther.
I'm an MCU fan. I preferred First Class over Black Panther. Why? I just enjoyed it a little more. No other reason. And certainly not for any of the 10 "reasons" you gave. Two things I can say that BP has over First Class 1) it's cultural significance. You may not agree, but ask those that it was significant, important and refreshing too. 2) In one film BP had two villains better , with the exception of Magneto, than in any of all of the previous X films.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 22, 2018 23:11:31 GMT
Why is there no point? Box office numbers is the most unbiased metric in movies. Critic scores and audience scores are nothing but opinions as well but they at least show a general consensus, and when it comes to judging a movie's quality then a professional critic's opinion matters a lot more than some anti-MCU guy named summers8. But BO numbers, there's no opinion on that. That's pure data. And when you combine that with better critical ratings and pretty good audience scores then it's clear BP is held as a better movie than FC. I dont care what critics or other people think about it, im more interested in knowing why you think something is good or bad and your justifications behind it thats a purpose of a movie chat forum Because this OP wasn't about comparing people's opinions on what they preferred, so I didn't put in my opinions. Summers8 specifically claimed that it was factually impossible for BP to be better than FC, so I replied with a whole bunch of facts. Now if you want to discuss about my personal opinions we could do that, but just know that we are now changing our topic from what the OP was about.
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Post by dazz on Nov 23, 2018 0:07:32 GMT
An MCU fan justanaveragejoe just said it is a dominant opinion black panther is better than first class which is factually impossible
This is just proof of how you do not understand what fact and opinion actually means, opinions get this lug nut can be wrong, they are not in fact factual, opinions can be formed from factual knowledge but they themselves are not facts, unless you are stating as Justanaveragejoe was what the consensus of opinions is, it is a fact via how Black Panther has higher RT critical & user compiled average scores and scored higher in most polls or similar opinion tallies that the majority opinion is that BP is a better film, I for one disagree I prefer First Class and find BP overrated, but just because MY opinion differs from the consensus doesn't mean stating what that consensus actually is is wrong.
As for your reasons why FC is better, I kind of agree but also don't, specifically about point numero uno, the death of Magneto's mother is far more compelling and important not simply because Magneto see's it, that is only one aspect of it, what makes it more compelling imo atleast is the reason for her death is placed on Magneto, he fails to move the coin, his failure in that moment as well as his failure to control his powers earlier which brings him to Bacon's attention fall on him, also his mother is an innocent killed for no other reason than to punish Magneto or elicit a volatile response out of him, Killmongers father is a villain in his own right, he was irc smuggling vibranium to use in a race war of sorts, he betrayed his duty, his country & his blood and was executed for doing so, a risk he knew he was taking, it was the price for HIS actions, also the death of his mother is a defining moment in Magneto's life it shapes who he becomes, Killmonger considering what his father was doing may have already been forged by his fathers extremist beliefs and his death is nothing more than a drop in the bucket to what makes Killmonger who he is, that's why imo atleast why the killing of Magneto's mother by Nazi's in front of him is more compelling than the off screen and unwitnessed by Killmonger death of his father.
First Class benefits from actually being a film that establishes a lot of the things around it, the feeling and treatment of mutants by normal people, the motivations and journey of the real villain of the story, the depth and danger that the heroes & villains can actually cause to the world should they choose to, it fails in being a film with no consequences and a inability to maintain a story for more than a single outing however, nothing in FC matters beyond the 2 hours of the film, same with DOFP, or Apocalypse or Logan or Wolverine or any of the X-Films past the original trilogy, Logan gets a pass as it is meant to be an elseworlds of sorts though, but FC is meant to be in the same timeline as the 00's films yet several major backstory elements are changed such as how Magneto & Xavier meet, how deep their bond should be, what they build together, the relation of Mystique to everyone, Moira's entire character from profession to nationality, hell they change when Xavier becomes wheelchair bound for Christ sake, then nothing that happens in this film matters in the next except Mystique switches sides, all the development from FC is pissed away for DOFP, and Apocalypse does the same thing, one element gets carried over with the same cast but otherwise a totally different story instead of being another chapter or instalment to an ongoing series.
BP imo fails in that this film only works in the modern context and mostly too americans with their specific issues with color, in 20 years time god willing racism is all but done away with this film wont work remotely as well as some feel it does, they do no work in establishing the world Killmonger comes from to justify his attitude, which is fine for a run of the mill baddy but the pitch people give is how sympathetic he is, but if you don't know the real world crap that justifies this behaviour then he really isn't, and his sympathetic villain is a major sticking point people say make this film so god, you lose that you lose most of this movie, and eve then that doesn't really vibe with me because this isn't the real world it's the MCU so what everything else about the world is different a Nazi splinter group was a splinter cell inside the most advanced global covert operations agency in the world and have lasers, and meta humans for lack of a better word, gods come from other planets, a big green rage monster pops up time to time and one of the richest men in the world has a suit of armor strong enough to take on most armies and created a fully functioning ASI with an indestructible body who happens to be dating a actual witch and is friends with a 1940's super soldier who looks no older than mid 30's at worst, who has a best firend who is also from the 40's and a similar super soldier only he has last an arm and has an unbreakable metal one as a replacement...but the black situation hasn't changed at all in America...ok then.
But yeah I gree FC is a better film, but other people feel differently this isn't factually wrong as both their opinion and mine are arbitrary as is your opinion you egotistical pompous patronising not as smart as he likes to think skid mark, now shut up and stop being such an insufferable sod.
Sorry if the last bit "breaks" the rules but I feel how I described Summers8 is in actuality factually provable
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Post by scabab on Nov 23, 2018 1:43:12 GMT
I can give you 2 scenes in first class that outclassed BP in action I'd struggle to even call those action scenes in the first place. The clip in the bar definitely isn't. The submarine one was cool...but not really much going on action wise. The CGI is just as poor there to be honest. Just look at 52 seconds in, that's incredibly shoddy. I wouldn't, it's one of the most successful movies of all time. Its getting a sequel. It was hugely well liked by people who saw it and is probably gonna get nominations for some major awards, might even win a couple.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 23, 2018 3:13:51 GMT
I bet summers8 didn’t see First Class in its entirety and just wants to bash on things that are popular. Given his track record and all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 3:41:32 GMT
First Class impressed me. New director too. I thought the other ones were kind of drab; the black and blue color scheme with the black outfits (which are practical, but not as cool) and the inside of the mansion makes for such drab so the trip to the beach and in the submarines were quite welcome. Michael Fassbender does a great Magneto and James McAvoy does great at capturing Patrick Stewart's Professor's passions for reassurance and mercy.
Above all I just like the plot, the breath of fresh air feel to it from the new cast, new era, new additions to the group and watching with anticipation as Magneto goes bad. I adore their friendship and it's interesting to watch unfold. Beast and Mystique as well, Sebastian Shaw and his crew were dangerous. Had some decent stakes, some flashy powers.
I thought it was better on its own terms than Black Panther, but I also think Black Panther is a much better companion piece to its shared universe. That is why it will outlast First Class.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 23, 2018 5:37:26 GMT
An MCU fan justanaveragejoe just said it is a dominant opinion black panther is better than first class which is factually impossible
This is just proof of how you do not understand what fact and opinion actually means, opinions get this lug nut can be wrong, they are not in fact factual, opinions can be formed from factual knowledge but they themselves are not facts, unless you are stating as Justanaveragejoe was what the consensus of opinions is, it is a fact via how Black Panther has higher RT critical & user compiled average scores and scored higher in most polls or similar opinion tallies that the majority opinion is that BP is a better film, I for one disagree I prefer First Class and find BP overrated, but just because MY opinion differs from the consensus doesn't mean stating what that consensus actually is is wrong.
As for your reasons why FC is better, I kind of agree but also don't, specifically about point numero uno, the death of Magneto's mother is far more compelling and important not simply because Magneto see's it, that is only one aspect of it, what makes it more compelling imo atleast is the reason for her death is placed on Magneto, he fails to move the coin, his failure in that moment as well as his failure to control his powers earlier which brings him to Bacon's attention fall on him, also his mother is an innocent killed for no other reason than to punish Magneto or elicit a volatile response out of him, Killmongers father is a villain in his own right, he was irc smuggling vibranium to use in a race war of sorts, he betrayed his duty, his country & his blood and was executed for doing so, a risk he knew he was taking, it was the price for HIS actions, also the death of his mother is a defining moment in Magneto's life it shapes who he becomes, Killmonger considering what his father was doing may have already been forged by his fathers extremist beliefs and his death is nothing more than a drop in the bucket to what makes Killmonger who he is, that's why imo atleast why the killing of Magneto's mother by Nazi's in front of him is more compelling than the off screen and unwitnessed by Killmonger death of his father.
First Class benefits from actually being a film that establishes a lot of the things around it, the feeling and treatment of mutants by normal people, the motivations and journey of the real villain of the story, the depth and danger that the heroes & villains can actually cause to the world should they choose to, it fails in being a film with no consequences and a inability to maintain a story for more than a single outing however, nothing in FC matters beyond the 2 hours of the film, same with DOFP, or Apocalypse or Logan or Wolverine or any of the X-Films past the original trilogy, Logan gets a pass as it is meant to be an elseworlds of sorts though, but FC is meant to be in the same timeline as the 00's films yet several major backstory elements are changed such as how Magneto & Xavier meet, how deep their bond should be, what they build together, the relation of Mystique to everyone, Moira's entire character from profession to nationality, hell they change when Xavier becomes wheelchair bound for Christ sake, then nothing that happens in this film matters in the next except Mystique switches sides, all the development from FC is pissed away for DOFP, and Apocalypse does the same thing, one element gets carried over with the same cast but otherwise a totally different story instead of being another chapter or instalment to an ongoing series.
BP imo fails in that this film only works in the modern context and mostly too americans with their specific issues with color, in 20 years time god willing racism is all but done away with this film wont work remotely as well as some feel it does, they do no work in establishing the world Killmonger comes from to justify his attitude, which is fine for a run of the mill baddy but the pitch people give is how sympathetic he is, but if you don't know the real world crap that justifies this behaviour then he really isn't, and his sympathetic villain is a major sticking point people say make this film so god, you lose that you lose most of this movie, and eve then that doesn't really vibe with me because this isn't the real world it's the MCU so what everything else about the world is different a Nazi splinter group was a splinter cell inside the most advanced global covert operations agency in the world and have lasers, and meta humans for lack of a better word, gods come from other planets, a big green rage monster pops up time to time and one of the richest men in the world has a suit of armor strong enough to take on most armies and created a fully functioning ASI with an indestructible body who happens to be dating a actual witch and is friends with a 1940's super soldier who looks no older than mid 30's at worst, who has a best firend who is also from the 40's and a similar super soldier only he has last an arm and has an unbreakable metal one as a replacement...but the black situation hasn't changed at all in America...ok then.
But yeah I gree FC is a better film, but other people feel differently this isn't factually wrong as both their opinion and mine are arbitrary as is your opinion you egotistical pompous patronising not as smart as he likes to think skid mark, now shut up and stop being such an insufferable sod.
Sorry if the last bit "breaks" the rules but I feel how I described Summers8 is in actuality factually provable
even if I was to take in rt. we know BP RT score is a scam like most mcu movies. but BP is a big scam. if the movie had an all white cast and was not powered by the marvel disney machine it will likely be in the 70s. so why are u people obsessing over rt when you know the score itself its a sham, we know most don't take it seriously.
as said, dcfan was trolling u people. dc already had the nolan's trilogy outside of wonder woman. makes sense for mcu fans to hold onto to rt. they have nothing.
true...like how most people here are saying first class is the better film. IT IS. most have that opinions since most know the basic of what makes a better film factually.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 23, 2018 5:40:44 GMT
This is just proof of how you do not understand what fact and opinion actually means, opinions get this lug nut can be wrong, they are not in fact factual, opinions can be formed from factual knowledge but they themselves are not facts, unless you are stating as Justanaveragejoe was what the consensus of opinions is, it is a fact via how Black Panther has higher RT critical & user compiled average scores and scored higher in most polls or similar opinion tallies that the majority opinion is that BP is a better film, I for one disagree I prefer First Class and find BP overrated, but just because MY opinion differs from the consensus doesn't mean stating what that consensus actually is is wrong.
As for your reasons why FC is better, I kind of agree but also don't, specifically about point numero uno, the death of Magneto's mother is far more compelling and important not simply because Magneto see's it, that is only one aspect of it, what makes it more compelling imo atleast is the reason for her death is placed on Magneto, he fails to move the coin, his failure in that moment as well as his failure to control his powers earlier which brings him to Bacon's attention fall on him, also his mother is an innocent killed for no other reason than to punish Magneto or elicit a volatile response out of him, Killmongers father is a villain in his own right, he was irc smuggling vibranium to use in a race war of sorts, he betrayed his duty, his country & his blood and was executed for doing so, a risk he knew he was taking, it was the price for HIS actions, also the death of his mother is a defining moment in Magneto's life it shapes who he becomes, Killmonger considering what his father was doing may have already been forged by his fathers extremist beliefs and his death is nothing more than a drop in the bucket to what makes Killmonger who he is, that's why imo atleast why the killing of Magneto's mother by Nazi's in front of him is more compelling than the off screen and unwitnessed by Killmonger death of his father.
First Class benefits from actually being a film that establishes a lot of the things around it, the feeling and treatment of mutants by normal people, the motivations and journey of the real villain of the story, the depth and danger that the heroes & villains can actually cause to the world should they choose to, it fails in being a film with no consequences and a inability to maintain a story for more than a single outing however, nothing in FC matters beyond the 2 hours of the film, same with DOFP, or Apocalypse or Logan or Wolverine or any of the X-Films past the original trilogy, Logan gets a pass as it is meant to be an elseworlds of sorts though, but FC is meant to be in the same timeline as the 00's films yet several major backstory elements are changed such as how Magneto & Xavier meet, how deep their bond should be, what they build together, the relation of Mystique to everyone, Moira's entire character from profession to nationality, hell they change when Xavier becomes wheelchair bound for Christ sake, then nothing that happens in this film matters in the next except Mystique switches sides, all the development from FC is pissed away for DOFP, and Apocalypse does the same thing, one element gets carried over with the same cast but otherwise a totally different story instead of being another chapter or instalment to an ongoing series.
BP imo fails in that this film only works in the modern context and mostly too americans with their specific issues with color, in 20 years time god willing racism is all but done away with this film wont work remotely as well as some feel it does, they do no work in establishing the world Killmonger comes from to justify his attitude, which is fine for a run of the mill baddy but the pitch people give is how sympathetic he is, but if you don't know the real world crap that justifies this behaviour then he really isn't, and his sympathetic villain is a major sticking point people say make this film so god, you lose that you lose most of this movie, and eve then that doesn't really vibe with me because this isn't the real world it's the MCU so what everything else about the world is different a Nazi splinter group was a splinter cell inside the most advanced global covert operations agency in the world and have lasers, and meta humans for lack of a better word, gods come from other planets, a big green rage monster pops up time to time and one of the richest men in the world has a suit of armor strong enough to take on most armies and created a fully functioning ASI with an indestructible body who happens to be dating a actual witch and is friends with a 1940's super soldier who looks no older than mid 30's at worst, who has a best firend who is also from the 40's and a similar super soldier only he has last an arm and has an unbreakable metal one as a replacement...but the black situation hasn't changed at all in America...ok then.
But yeah I gree FC is a better film, but other people feel differently this isn't factually wrong as both their opinion and mine are arbitrary as is your opinion you egotistical pompous patronising not as smart as he likes to think skid mark, now shut up and stop being such an insufferable sod.
Sorry if the last bit "breaks" the rules but I feel how I described Summers8 is in actuality factually provable
even if I was to take in rt. we know BP RT score is a scam like most mcu movies. but BP is a big scam. if the movie had an all white cast and was not powered by the marvel disney machine it will likely be in the 70s. so why are u people obsessing over rt when you know the core itself its a sham, we know most don't take it seriously.
as said, dcfan was trolling u people. dc already had the nolan's trilogy outside of wonder woman. makes sense for mcu fans to hold onto to rt. they have nothing.
true...like how most people here are saying first class is the better film. IT IS. most have that opinions since most know the basic of what makes a better film factually.
Your posts are getting more erratic and less coherent by the day. Your entire 2nd paragraph made no sense at all.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 23, 2018 5:42:03 GMT
First Class impressed me. New director too. I thought the other ones were kind of drab; the black and blue color scheme with the black outfits (which are practical, but not as cool) and the inside of the mansion makes for such drab so the trip to the beach and in the submarines were quite welcome. Michael Fassbender does a great Magneto and James McAvoy does great at capturing Patrick Stewart's Professor's passions for reassurance and mercy.
Above all I just like the plot, the breath of fresh air feel to it from the new cast, new era, new additions to the group and watching with anticipation as Magneto goes bad. I adore their friendship and it's interesting to watch unfold. Beast and Mystique as well, Sebastian Shaw and his crew were dangerous. Had some decent stakes, some flashy powers.
I thought it was better on its own terms than Black Panther, but I also think Black Panther is a much better companion piece to its shared universe. That is why it will outlast First Class.
BP cant outclass first class. maybe it outclassed other mcu movies but the bar is low for mcu anyway since most of their movies are jokes. first class outclassed black panther because it is just the better film. simple.
speaking of shaw. notice he had charm and was very sadistic, which is what made him compelling. like him laughing when magneto's was getting abuse watching his mum die. or him peacefully telling the young mutant to join him.
killmomger= one dimensional angry black man. that is what makes him a poorer villain.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 23, 2018 8:48:24 GMT
First Class impressed me. New director too. I thought the other ones were kind of drab; the black and blue color scheme with the black outfits (which are practical, but not as cool) and the inside of the mansion makes for such drab so the trip to the beach and in the submarines were quite welcome. Michael Fassbender does a great Magneto and James McAvoy does great at capturing Patrick Stewart's Professor's passions for reassurance and mercy. Above all I just like the plot, the breath of fresh air feel to it from the new cast, new era, new additions to the group and watching with anticipation as Magneto goes bad. I adore their friendship and it's interesting to watch unfold. Beast and Mystique as well, Sebastian Shaw and his crew were dangerous. Had some decent stakes, some flashy powers. I thought it was better on its own terms than Black Panther, but I also think Black Panther is a much better companion piece to its shared universe. That is why it will outlast First Class.
BP cant outclass first class. maybe it outclassed other mcu movies but the bar is low for mcu anyway since most of their movies are jokes. first class outclassed black panther because it is just the better film. simple. speaking of shaw. notice he had charm and was very sadistic, which is what made him compelling. like him laughing when magneto's was getting abuse watching his mum die. or him peacefully telling the young mutant to join him. killmomger= one dimensional angry black man. that is what makes him a poorer villain.
Hauntedknight87 You wonder why I call out summers8 out as a douchebag... This is why. He could have simply disagreed with Cat, but nope, he gotta act like a condescending dick, and then have to smugly let Cat know that not only is he's right, but Cat's opinion is wrong. You can't have a discussion with him without him taking a swipe at the MCU and it's fans. If summers8 wants to be a pretentious prima donna, let him. As long as he continues that, I'm going to keep insulting him until he stops or puts me on ignore. Because of the new rules, I'll refrain from any explicit insults, but that's not going to stop me from calling him a douchebag or a Nancy.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 23, 2018 11:49:07 GMT
BP cant outclass first class. maybe it outclassed other mcu movies but the bar is low for mcu anyway since most of their movies are jokes. first class outclassed black panther because it is just the better film. simple. speaking of shaw. notice he had charm and was very sadistic, which is what made him compelling. like him laughing when magneto's was getting abuse watching his mum die. or him peacefully telling the young mutant to join him. killmomger= one dimensional angry black man. that is what makes him a poorer villain.
Hauntedknight87 You wonder why I call out summers8 out as a douchebag... This is why. He could have simply disagreed with Cat, but nope, he gotta act like a condescending dick, and then have to smugly let Cat know that not only is he's right, but Cat's opinion is wrong. You can't have a discussion with him without him taking a swipe at the MCU and it's fans. If summers8 wants to be a pretentious prima donna, let him. As long as he continues that, I'm going to keep insulting him until he stops or puts me on ignore. Because of the new rules, I'll refrain from any explicit insults, but that's not going to stop me from calling him a douchebag or a Nancy. Okay so why feed him? If he gets out of line he gets spanked, but you could easily avoid turning it into something that isn't needed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 12:21:03 GMT
3 pages in and no one has refuted summer8s OP on actual segments from the 2 movies. Can anyone show a clip from Black Panther that rivals the acting in the satellite dish scene? Or a BP scene which matches the intensity of Magneto killing Shaw with the coin? Or a scene which surpasses the cinematography of lifting the submarine scene? Lot of talk on critics scores and conjecture about box office. Nothing about actually studying both movies on a direct level. Deflections. Ok, he didn't show scenes from 2 movies, and I detest long chopped up responses on message boards back and forth that inhibit congruent communication. So I'll tackle his first subjective statement with a statement that is just as subjective and does absolutely nothing objective either: Ok. I'll make a similar subjective statement: 2 subjective observations. Two pretty good motivations to create a character bent on revenge. How can one be held in higher regard than the other? Show me how these two subjective observations can be objectively rectified as one being somehow factually more powerful than the other and we will continue through that load of subjective observations one by one. charzhino, where did you go?
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Post by summers8 on Nov 23, 2018 13:20:45 GMT
Who calls other douchebag for confidently showing why one film is better than the other. lol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 13:24:56 GMT
Who calls other douchebag for confidently showing why one film is better than the other. lol. I've got a sneaky suspicion that's not why.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 23, 2018 13:45:29 GMT
Who calls other douchebag for confidently showing why one film is better than the other. lol. It's more to do with your attitude.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 23, 2018 15:31:46 GMT
Who calls other douchebag for confidently showing why one film is better than the other. lol. Go ahead, keep acting like a dumbass. You're really helping your case...
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Post by dazz on Nov 23, 2018 16:37:21 GMT
Who calls other douchebag for confidently showing why one film is better than the other. lol. Because A: you don't, B: you are a douchebag, C: the attitude you have makes you utterly slappable you condescending twat spatter, D: well I dont have a D to list so why don't you go rim a donkey and shut the fuck up how bout that you cock waffle.
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Post by dazz on Nov 23, 2018 16:42:45 GMT
Who calls other douchebag for confidently showing why one film is better than the other. lol. Go ahead, keep acting like a dumbass. You're really helping your case... You sure he's acting and he isn't just an actual dumb shit or maybe a mental patient with computer privileges?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 23, 2018 16:52:25 GMT
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Post by dazz on Nov 23, 2018 17:00:36 GMT
This is just proof of how you do not understand what fact and opinion actually means, opinions get this lug nut can be wrong, they are not in fact factual, opinions can be formed from factual knowledge but they themselves are not facts, unless you are stating as Justanaveragejoe was what the consensus of opinions is, it is a fact via how Black Panther has higher RT critical & user compiled average scores and scored higher in most polls or similar opinion tallies that the majority opinion is that BP is a better film, I for one disagree I prefer First Class and find BP overrated, but just because MY opinion differs from the consensus doesn't mean stating what that consensus actually is is wrong.
As for your reasons why FC is better, I kind of agree but also don't, specifically about point numero uno, the death of Magneto's mother is far more compelling and important not simply because Magneto see's it, that is only one aspect of it, what makes it more compelling imo atleast is the reason for her death is placed on Magneto, he fails to move the coin, his failure in that moment as well as his failure to control his powers earlier which brings him to Bacon's attention fall on him, also his mother is an innocent killed for no other reason than to punish Magneto or elicit a volatile response out of him, Killmongers father is a villain in his own right, he was irc smuggling vibranium to use in a race war of sorts, he betrayed his duty, his country & his blood and was executed for doing so, a risk he knew he was taking, it was the price for HIS actions, also the death of his mother is a defining moment in Magneto's life it shapes who he becomes, Killmonger considering what his father was doing may have already been forged by his fathers extremist beliefs and his death is nothing more than a drop in the bucket to what makes Killmonger who he is, that's why imo atleast why the killing of Magneto's mother by Nazi's in front of him is more compelling than the off screen and unwitnessed by Killmonger death of his father.
First Class benefits from actually being a film that establishes a lot of the things around it, the feeling and treatment of mutants by normal people, the motivations and journey of the real villain of the story, the depth and danger that the heroes & villains can actually cause to the world should they choose to, it fails in being a film with no consequences and a inability to maintain a story for more than a single outing however, nothing in FC matters beyond the 2 hours of the film, same with DOFP, or Apocalypse or Logan or Wolverine or any of the X-Films past the original trilogy, Logan gets a pass as it is meant to be an elseworlds of sorts though, but FC is meant to be in the same timeline as the 00's films yet several major backstory elements are changed such as how Magneto & Xavier meet, how deep their bond should be, what they build together, the relation of Mystique to everyone, Moira's entire character from profession to nationality, hell they change when Xavier becomes wheelchair bound for Christ sake, then nothing that happens in this film matters in the next except Mystique switches sides, all the development from FC is pissed away for DOFP, and Apocalypse does the same thing, one element gets carried over with the same cast but otherwise a totally different story instead of being another chapter or instalment to an ongoing series.
BP imo fails in that this film only works in the modern context and mostly too americans with their specific issues with color, in 20 years time god willing racism is all but done away with this film wont work remotely as well as some feel it does, they do no work in establishing the world Killmonger comes from to justify his attitude, which is fine for a run of the mill baddy but the pitch people give is how sympathetic he is, but if you don't know the real world crap that justifies this behaviour then he really isn't, and his sympathetic villain is a major sticking point people say make this film so god, you lose that you lose most of this movie, and eve then that doesn't really vibe with me because this isn't the real world it's the MCU so what everything else about the world is different a Nazi splinter group was a splinter cell inside the most advanced global covert operations agency in the world and have lasers, and meta humans for lack of a better word, gods come from other planets, a big green rage monster pops up time to time and one of the richest men in the world has a suit of armor strong enough to take on most armies and created a fully functioning ASI with an indestructible body who happens to be dating a actual witch and is friends with a 1940's super soldier who looks no older than mid 30's at worst, who has a best firend who is also from the 40's and a similar super soldier only he has last an arm and has an unbreakable metal one as a replacement...but the black situation hasn't changed at all in America...ok then.
But yeah I gree FC is a better film, but other people feel differently this isn't factually wrong as both their opinion and mine are arbitrary as is your opinion you egotistical pompous patronising not as smart as he likes to think skid mark, now shut up and stop being such an insufferable sod.
Sorry if the last bit "breaks" the rules but I feel how I described Summers8 is in actuality factually provable
even if I was to take in rt. we know BP RT score is a scam like most mcu movies. but BP is a big scam. if the movie had an all white cast and was not powered by the marvel disney machine it will likely be in the 70s. so why are u people obsessing over rt when you know the score itself its a sham, we know most don't take it seriously.
as said, dcfan was trolling u people. dc already had the nolan's trilogy outside of wonder woman. makes sense for mcu fans to hold onto to rt. they have nothing.
true...like how most people here are saying first class is the better film. IT IS. most have that opinions since most know the basic of what makes a better film factually.
Firstly you are an idiot so even if you were to take in RT as a metric it's a sham...no idiot what you mean is even if I were to take in aggregate scores I wouldn't rely on RT because RT is a sham, but as has been pointed out I believe in this thread or maybe the Venom is more profitable than Spidey HC thread you hijacked out of I think 9 possible metrics to judge a film on BP out classes FC 7 to 2, this indicates that no, simpleton no most people believe BP is a better film, you and I as fans of FC over BP are in the minority, just because we have our opinions doesn't discount anyone elses, you arrogant sack of faecal matter.
MCU fans have nothing? you mean like an exponentially growing fandom, an abundance of critical, fan and financial hits in front of them and behind them, that their franchise favourite is THE most financially successful film franchise in history, that the MCU or Marvel Studios is a blossoming brand in entertainment with not only multiple top 10 grossing films per year, but also a growing TV presence with hit live action streaming shows, long running network shows, multiple multi season animated shows, where as X-Men as you love it is a lame duck at this point, Sony only has the movies they can only put out so many of a year and nothing else.
And seems opinions on here about FC Vs. BP maybe mixed, some love one some love the other, some don't think much of fucking either, does it really matter if someone says eh I think both are overrated but out of the two I like FC better, they aint fucking praising the film, it would be like asking me would you rather be sodomised with a barbed wire dildo or have a sulphuric acid colonic, doesn't matter what I choose I don't want either of them, not like if I choose the acid I am giving it my stamp of approval, if you dislike something but choose it over another thing could be for any number of reason, the soundtrack could be better, you may just be a fan of a specific actor, their could be better titties on display or anything that doesn't account for actual quality you pea brained numpty.
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