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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 0:45:24 GMT
why don't we have movies like that anymore?
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Post by Wesley Crusher on Mar 29, 2017 1:13:10 GMT
Hacksaw Ridge (2016) Patriots Day (2016) Hidden Figures (2016) Captain America: Civil War (2016) Captain America: Winter Soldier (2014) Lone Survivor (2013) White House Down (2013) Cowboys & Aliens (2011) Kick-Ass (2010) Tucker and Dale vs Evil (2010)
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Post by Marv on Mar 29, 2017 1:58:28 GMT
I never really thought of Die Hard as an overly patriotic film.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Mar 29, 2017 2:58:36 GMT
They don't make em like they used to.
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Post by ck100 on Mar 29, 2017 3:55:04 GMT
This isn't the 1980's. The Cold War has long been over and the U.S.S.R is gone. I remember Rambo II being such a big box office success during this time of Americans being proud to be American.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 29, 2017 3:59:48 GMT
I think you're thinking of RAMBO.
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Post by ck100 on Mar 29, 2017 9:46:24 GMT
I think Rocky IV also made us proud to be an American in addition to Rambo.
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Post by Marv on Mar 29, 2017 11:13:34 GMT
Oddly the first Rambo...First Blood...is fairly anti patriotic. Showing a small town treating a PTSD Vietnam veteran with as much prejudice as possible.
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Post by sostie on Mar 29, 2017 11:39:30 GMT
Homo-erotic movies make you proud to be American!
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Post by Jerk on Mar 29, 2017 11:46:31 GMT
It made me proud to not be American.
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Post by vegalyra on Mar 29, 2017 13:47:25 GMT
Well, Hans did say something about "You Americans, you're all alike..."
John McClane was the average American "cowboy" taking out the Euro-Trash...
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Post by rateater on Mar 29, 2017 14:51:19 GMT
die hard 4 took place on the 4th of july. if i directed that film it would have felt a lot different, with a better cast too. there would have been fireworks at the end and some disappointed cook-outers when the power goes out, the creedence clearwater would have stayed. they really dropped the ball.
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Post by conspirologist on Mar 29, 2017 21:31:10 GMT
It makes proud to be a cop, moron. Rambo II, III and Rocky IV makes proud to be american.
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Post by ruiner420 on Mar 30, 2017 13:00:07 GMT
What's there to be proud of anymore?
Don't give up the fight for truly independent cinema!
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 30, 2017 19:00:47 GMT
Oddly the first Rambo...First Blood...is fairly anti patriotic. Showing a small town treating a PTSD Vietnam veteran with as much prejudice as possible. Meh, not really. "The town" does not mistreat Rambo, a small group of people do. And Rambo didn't exactly go out of his way to de-escalate the situation.
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 30, 2017 19:02:05 GMT
why don't we have movies like that anymore? This is why:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 0:21:41 GMT
Well, Hans did say something about "You Americans, you're all alike..." John McClane was the average American "cowboy" taking out the Euro-Trash... Something to the effect of "Your an orphan of a bankrupt culture that probably has seen to many cowboy movies and think's he John Wayne".
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Post by zenzy on Mar 31, 2017 1:08:45 GMT
Even though the setup is an off-duty cop being forced into action, "Die Hard" still comes off as a fantasy of vigilantism. Just what peeves John McClane as he fights alone against the world, and do you share his angst?
He bangs his head against a wall as he recalls how he and his wife separated, like the self-hatred of a man who hits women and is sorry. She's uppity with a good career and makes more money than his police salary, and he possibly resents alimony + child support as unfair. Also self-hates his addiction to tobacco.
The baddies are leftist radical foreigners, patterned after the Baader-Meinhof gang.
McClane has a low opinion of California and its population of space cadets (and gays). This boils up several times like when a man at the party kisses him on the mouth.
He hates dealing with female professionals in positions of authority; the one that really gets to him is the police dispatch operator.
Dwayne is an incompetent institutional bureaucrat representing government interference with the common man.
Takagi is a 'good' foreigner of a model minority.
The fantasy payoff of all McClane's macho heroic violence is winning his wife back.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 6:28:25 GMT
Even though the setup is an off-duty cop being forced into action, "Die Hard" still comes off as a fantasy of vigilantism. Just what peeves John McClane as he fights alone against the world, and do you share his angst? He bangs his head against a wall as he recalls how he and his wife separated, like the self-hatred of a man who hits women and is sorry. She's uppity with a good career and makes more money than his police salary, and he possibly resents alimony + child support as unfair. Also self-hates his addiction to tobacco. The baddies are leftist radical foreigners, patterned after the Baader-Meinhof gang. McClane has a low opinion of California and its population of space cadets (and gays). This boils up several times like when a man at the party kisses him on the mouth. He hates dealing with female professionals in positions of authority; the one that really gets to him is the police dispatch operator. Dwayne is an incompetent institutional bureaucrat representing government interference with the common man. Takagi is a 'good' foreigner of a model minority. The fantasy payoff of all McClane's macho heroic violence is winning his wife back. Woah there chief, that's a lot of supposition on your part. I'm sure as a new yorker he finds calif. weird as most of us east coasters do, but I don't think he gives two figs about what homosexuals do.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Mar 31, 2017 7:44:10 GMT
This isn't the 1980's. The Cold War has long been over and the U.S.S.R is gone.
I remember Rambo II being such a big box office success during this time of Americans being proud to be American. The USSR is gone, but all of its adherents are not. I will be curious to see if Russians again start figuring heavily as Hollywood villains over the next few years.
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