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Post by goz on Nov 28, 2018 1:17:04 GMT
leaningI think you are putting the cart before the horse. Personally, my political beliefs are solely based in the things which make up my worldview and general 'philosophy'. Things like materialism, pursuit of scientific knowledge towards 'truth' or at least a working model of the same, rigorous review of new information, scepticism of propaganda with an agenda that is against the above ( ie anti-intellectualism ) on the logical side ..and on the more philosophical side, humanism which is empathetic to all humans, ethics of fairness and equality amongst all people regardless of race sex age creed (unless thy are aggressively fundamentalist) a deep respect and love for the natural world including all creatures and the Australian ethos of 'a fair go for all'. Hence I tend to be a left leaning liberal socialist feminist agnostic atheist greenie. That is just the way it works. I am not talking about you in particular. No, and I meant it in general as well.
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Post by Aj_June on Nov 28, 2018 1:19:49 GMT
I am not talking about you in particular. No, and I meant it in general as well. Then my observation is different. People I know who subscribe to political beliefs do what I tell in majority of cases.
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Post by Aj_June on Nov 28, 2018 1:27:57 GMT
Any solipsists on here? When I found out what that was, I thought it was one of the weirdest perceptions one could have of reality. OldSamVimes is a kind of solipsist. The difference is that he doesn't think his self elusively is the one that is sure to exist but that after cessation of ego from mind only self remains. That applies for everyone.
Though it would be unfair to call him "solipsist" because the actual term for his belief is monism.
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Post by goz on Nov 28, 2018 1:29:00 GMT
No, and I meant it in general as well. Then my observation is different. People I know who subscribe to political beliefs do what I tell in majority of cases. Well, that is beyond weird to me. I cannot imagine for instance ANYONE with liberal views on such things as gay marriage, abortion, equal rights, climate change, conservation freedom of and from religion... etc etc etc voting for the far religious right in any country let alone Australia or USA In other words their views inform their politics!
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Post by Aj_June on Nov 28, 2018 1:35:49 GMT
Then my observation is different. People I know who subscribe to political beliefs do what I tell in majority of cases. Well, that is beyond weird to me. I cannot imagine for instance ANYONE with liberal views on such things as gay marriage, abortion, equal rights, climate change, conservation freedom of and from religion... etc etc etc voting for the far religious right in any country let alone Australia or USA In other words their views inform their politics! Then you didn't understand my initial post.
I have no interest in geting educated by a person like you. You will rightfully say that this is public message board and anyone can talk with anyone. But given your total lack of understanding of my post and nature of being combative and fishing for the last word I give you go ahead to make another post with horrible interpretation of my post. You wouldn't get any more reply from me now and possibly in the future.
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Post by goz on Nov 28, 2018 2:04:39 GMT
Well, that is beyond weird to me. I cannot imagine for instance ANYONE with liberal views on such things as gay marriage, abortion, equal rights, climate change, conservation freedom of and from religion... etc etc etc voting for the far religious right in any country let alone Australia or USA In other words their views inform their politics! Then you didn't understand my initial post.
I have no interest in geting educated by a person like you. You will rightfully say that this is public message board and anyone can talk with anyone. But given your total lack of understanding of my post and nature of being combative and fishing for the last word I give you go ahead to make another post with horrible interpretation of my post. You wouldn't get any more reply from me now and possibly in the future.
WTF are you on about? We are merely having a discussion about whether world view influences political viewpoint or vice versa...at least that is what I was discussing! What was my 'horrible interpretation' of your post? You started this thread as an apathist asking other people their worldview. I gave you mine and it expanded into politics because I don't see much of a difference between religion, world view and politics. I have never disrespected yours, in this thread or anywhere else and I frankly have no idea what you are talking about. It is great you don't care much about anything outside your life experience. I am different. OK? I care about so much that is wrong in the world and wish to discuss it, either with like minds or those with different views.
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Post by Aj_June on Nov 28, 2018 2:22:27 GMT
Then you didn't understand my initial post. I have no interest in geting educated by a person like you. You will rightfully say that this is public message board and anyone can talk with anyone. But given your total lack of understanding of my post and nature of being combative and fishing for the last word I give you go ahead to make another post with horrible interpretation of my post. You wouldn't get any more reply from me now and possibly in the future.
WTF are you on about? We are merely having a discussion about whether world view influences political viewpoint or vice versa...at least that is what I was discussing! What was my 'horrible interpretation' of your post? You started this thread as an apathist asking other people their worldview. I gave you mine and it expanded into politics because I don't see much of a difference between religion, world view and politics. I have never disrespected yours, in this thread or anywhere else and I frankly have no idea what you are talking about. It is great you don't care much about anything outside your life experience. I am different. OK? I care about so much that is wrong in the world and wish to discuss it, either with like minds or those with different views. My statement was this : But you read it with an added assumption of your own which I have underlined.
No where did I mention people forming philosophical view based on anything. It was your silly assumption. Even if you didn't understand you could have asked but you started preaching me. It seems as if people are having different conversations. It's silly that you accuse me of not liking anyone's experience even though in this very thread I have liked everyone's viewpoint. But my tolerance doesn't extend to wasting my time by talking about things that I have not written.
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Post by general313 on Nov 28, 2018 15:43:32 GMT
Any solipsists on here? When I found out what that was, I thought it was one of the weirdest perceptions one could have of reality. I'm not a solipsist, but it was thinking about solipsism that convinced me to stop wasting time thinking about non-scientific philosophical conceptions. If you can't perform an experiment to see if other people are real, and if the distinction makes no practical difference in your life, then what's the point? Better to go with Occam's Razor and accept that other people that we perceive are in fact real people.
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Post by general313 on Nov 28, 2018 15:50:35 GMT
I'm in the materialist camp. The physical world is as real as we perceive it to be. As soon as there's evidence of a non-physical soul or anything else I 'm willing to consider a dualist stance, but it doesn't look too likely that that will happen. I am not a strict reductionist however, and think that emergent behavior plays an important role in the world, and in particular our minds. The evidence is in your life and your state of conscious being cham.
You are taking a dualist stance, because you are in conflict with the holistic\spiritual aspect of your being. Inner\Outer, it is all one and whole and complete. Can't you see that it is the mind that creates the conflict out of notion of self.
Tell me more about the holistic aspect of my being. Does listening to new age music help it to come out?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Nov 28, 2018 18:46:09 GMT
Any solipsists on here? When I found out what that was, I thought it was one of the weirdest perceptions one could have of reality. I'm not a solipsist, but it was thinking about solipsism that convinced me to stop wasting time thinking about non-scientific philosophical conceptions. If you can't perform an experiment to see if other people are real, and if the distinction makes no practical difference in your life, then what's the point? Better to go with Occam's Razor and accept that other people that we perceive are in fact real people. Is there a "reverse solipism" of sorts? ie "I don't believe I'm real, but rather a hallucination/figment of someone's else imagination"
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Post by goz on Nov 28, 2018 19:57:32 GMT
I'm not a solipsist, but it was thinking about solipsism that convinced me to stop wasting time thinking about non-scientific philosophical conceptions. If you can't perform an experiment to see if other people are real, and if the distinction makes no practical difference in your life, then what's the point? Better to go with Occam's Razor and accept that other people that we perceive are in fact real people. Is there a "reverse solipism" of sorts? ie "I don't believe I'm real, but rather a hallucination/figment of someone's else imagination" Maybe 'God'?
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Post by general313 on Nov 28, 2018 20:01:38 GMT
I'm not a solipsist, but it was thinking about solipsism that convinced me to stop wasting time thinking about non-scientific philosophical conceptions. If you can't perform an experiment to see if other people are real, and if the distinction makes no practical difference in your life, then what's the point? Better to go with Occam's Razor and accept that other people that we perceive are in fact real people. Is there a "reverse solipism" of sorts? ie "I don't believe I'm real, but rather a hallucination/figment of someone's else imagination" That might describe anyone who believes that the physical world is an illusion, for example Toast.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Nov 28, 2018 20:05:21 GMT
Is there a "reverse solipism" of sorts? ie "I don't believe I'm real, but rather a hallucination/figment of someone's else imagination" That might describe anyone who believes that the physical world is an illusion, for example Toast. So he basically watched "The Matrix" too many times?
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Post by goz on Nov 28, 2018 20:31:23 GMT
WTF are you on about? We are merely having a discussion about whether world view influences political viewpoint or vice versa...at least that is what I was discussing! What was my 'horrible interpretation' of your post? You started this thread as an apathist asking other people their worldview. I gave you mine and it expanded into politics because I don't see much of a difference between religion, world view and politics. I have never disrespected yours, in this thread or anywhere else and I frankly have no idea what you are talking about. It is great you don't care much about anything outside your life experience. I am different. OK? I care about so much that is wrong in the world and wish to discuss it, either with like minds or those with different views. My statement was this : But you read it with an added assumption of your own which I have underlined.
No where did I mention people forming philosophical view based on anything. It was your silly assumption. Even if you didn't understand you could have asked but you started preaching me. It seems as if people are having different conversations. It's silly that you accuse me of not liking anyone's experience even though in this very thread I have liked everyone's viewpoint. But my tolerance doesn't extend to wasting my time by talking about things that I have not written.
This and the bolded part. Are you seriously saying that I can only post things to you that you are going to like and agree with? I was interpreting what you had said, and thought we were just having a general discussion on a topic. I neither understand nor condone your outrage, Sir!
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Post by Aj_June on Nov 29, 2018 0:18:36 GMT
My statement was this : But you read it with an added assumption of your own which I have underlined.
No where did I mention people forming philosophical view based on anything. It was your silly assumption. Even if you didn't understand you could have asked but you started preaching me. It seems as if people are having different conversations. It's silly that you accuse me of not liking anyone's experience even though in this very thread I have liked everyone's viewpoint. But my tolerance doesn't extend to wasting my time by talking about things that I have not written.
This and the bolded part. Are you seriously saying that I can only post things to you that you are going to like and agree with? I was interpreting what you had said, and thought we were just having a general discussion on a topic. I neither understand nor condone your outrage, Sir! Nope, I am not saying that and stop with your hysterical nonsense. .. I am saying that when you interpret my post you only need to refer to what I actually wrote. Not things that I don't write. I didn't mix politics and philosophy. I was talking about politics alone when I made that statement to Graham. It was your assumption that I was talking about philosophy. Talking generally is different from misinterpreting someone's post.
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Post by general313 on Nov 29, 2018 15:00:47 GMT
Tell me more about the holistic aspect of my being. Does listening to new age music help it to come out? If that what does it for you, and being sarcastic won't help you either. Sorry but your topsy turvy dogma makes no more sense to me than Christian Trinitarianism. You keep saying "it's all a dream", etc. with no explanation why you believe so.
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Post by Catman on Nov 29, 2018 15:01:19 GMT
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