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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 27, 2018 5:52:12 GMT
Because Venom sure didn't cause any trouble - collateral damage and fatality of human beings and animals. Oh wait, he did. And that didn't stop Spider-Man from helping others and saving the day. He used his own suit and went on his own instead of sticking to Stark's orders. Did you not watch the movie? Doesn't sound like it... Too bad Venom is not really that good of a movie, average at best in terms of quality. And even a lot of people who enjoyed it are encouraging others to go in to see it with fairly low expectations - not the strongest indication that its a high quality product, that's more akin to guilty pleasure fare. As in, no way would any person seriously defend it or place it amongst their favorites of the year...As the definition of it goes. Heck, you can't even defend it, I've listed its silliness but you can't even argue against it. Nope, like plenty of non marvel movies, Venom just happens to be not amongst them, better than Howard The Duck and both Ghost Riders though. You also didn't explain why Venom is better than Wonder Woman, NPCnexus... You only hate Venom cause its not in the mcu. You praise guardians,shitnerok and antman. Hypocritical much? *Yawn* Is this really the best response you could come up with? Been through this whole song and dance before, but I'll bite... I don't hate Venom, however I can't really call myself a fan of it and highly recommend it to people. It's not because it isn't part of the MCU, its because the storytelling is simply too bland and the tone is all over the place, characters are not very engaging, the humor is very hit or miss, and the action scenes are not even worth much of a discussion. It does nothing for comic book or superhero movies and feels like a product of the 1990's when Batman Forever was the movie to match. Objectively speaking, the worst MCU movie has more going for it than Venom does, the only thing that really saves Venom from being a total dud is Tom Hardy's performance - hard to fault him, even in other blah-fests like Star Trek: Nemesis and This Means War he does good. You also did not acknowledge that I pointed out that a lot of people who liked Venom have encouraged others to go into it with fairly low expectations - again, this is not the indication of a high-quality product. "Guilty pleasure" summarizes this kind of viewing approach to a T here. Guardians, Ragnarok, and Ant-Man had better ideas of what they wanted to be, were more tonally consistent, and had better characters and visual style - Ragnarok paid the best tribute to the king of comics Jack Kibry. To be fair to Venom they are no more or less of popcorn fare, however the execution of Guardians, Ragnarok, and Ant-Man will keep more people going back to them and enjoying them for years to come, Venom however doesn't look all that likely to have the same affect long term. You are free to enjoy Venom more than most MCU content and call those who praise the likes of Guardians, Ragnarok, and Ant-Man hypocritical all you wish, but when you look beyond the basic human need for entertainment and examine them on a critical level(storytelling, dialog, cinematography, visuals, etc.) I'm afraid its a bit hard to argue that Venom is objectively better than the aforementioned - Unless you can prove that Venom is indeed head and tails above them, then please explain thenewnexus and if you do please be as articulate as possible because I've seen you debate more seriously with other topics before, and even if you're just trolling you can still at least try. And you, again, did not explain how Venom is better than Wonder Woman, which you've also said in the past. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 27, 2018 5:58:07 GMT
What? Ragnarok and GOTG are leagues better than Venom and well deserving of their praise. Even Antman is better than Venom. Don't see the issue here. They are too campy and plus shitnerok was missing its best character Darcy Venom was campier than Guardians, Ragnarok, and Ant-Man combined for the simple reason that it had an identity crisis and struggled to find the right tone to go with while the aforementioned knew exactly what they were supposed to be going in and stuck to it. Nobody in the world thinks of Darcy as the best of anything, she contributed barely anything of note in the films she had appeared in before. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 27, 2018 6:50:20 GMT
I'm pretty sure it's only making any worthwhile amount in China now and it's not going to make enough for it to surpass Spider-man Homecoming.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 27, 2018 6:58:30 GMT
What? Ragnarok and GOTG are leagues better than Venom and well deserving of their praise. Even Antman is better than Venom. Don't see the issue here. They are too campy and plus shitnerok was missing its best character Darcy Anyone who thinks Darcy was the best thing in Thor obviously has no idea what makes a movie good or not. |
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Post by summers8 on Nov 27, 2018 9:07:54 GMT
its a solid message. spiderman does not need disney or useless crossover movies with other marvel characters who cant survive with a cinematic universe.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 27, 2018 17:30:47 GMT
its a solid message. spiderman does not need disney or useless crossover movies with other marvel characters who cant survive with a cinematic universe. But Spider-Man isn't in the movie or even referenced in any way. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 27, 2018 17:33:23 GMT
They are too campy and plus shitnerok was missing its best character Darcy Anyone who thinks Darcy was the best thing in Thor obviously has no idea what makes a movie good or not. He can't even explain why Darcy is a good character to begin with, he just lists that Kat Dennings portrays her, if somebody else had he wouldn't endlessly talk about the character. |
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Post by summers8 on Nov 27, 2018 19:42:29 GMT
its a solid message. spiderman does not need disney or useless crossover movies with other marvel characters who cant survive with a cinematic universe. But Spider-Man isn't in the movie or even referenced in any way. does not matter. its still a spiderman movie. hmm, the disney pr machine must be shocked.
does it also help maybe a big portion of spidey fans thinks it is better than kidcoming?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 27, 2018 20:58:22 GMT
But Spider-Man isn't in the movie or even referenced in any way. does not matter. its still a spiderman movie. hmm, the disney pr machine must be shocked.
does it also help maybe a big portion of spidey fans thinks it is better than kidcoming?
Actually yes, it does matter. It isn't a Spider-Man movie. I've only ever seen one or two people on here say Venom is better than Homecoming, nowhere else. Hardly what I'd call a "big portion"... |
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Post by Riddick on Nov 27, 2018 21:03:51 GMT
Venom is one of the worst comic book movie ever. Can't believe they turned one of Marvels darker characters into a lame joke.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 27, 2018 21:04:52 GMT
its a solid message. spiderman does not need disney or useless crossover movies with other marvel characters who cant survive with a cinematic universe. Guess that's why ASM and ASM2 were such huge hits. |
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Post by summers8 on Nov 27, 2018 21:07:49 GMT
Venom is one of the worst comic book movie ever. Can't believe they turned one of Marvels darker characters into a lame joke. do you mean thor 3? the lame joke? |
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Post by Riddick on Nov 27, 2018 21:27:42 GMT
No i mean Venom. He shouldn't not make stupid jokes. He should be a fearsome Monster, who scares anyone.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 27, 2018 22:04:48 GMT
Venom is one of the worst comic book movie ever. Can't believe they turned one of Marvels darker characters into a lame joke. do you mean thor 3? the lame joke? The jokes in Thor 3 worked, the humor in Venom was really hit or miss - Eddie Brock jumping into tank of lobsters and begin biting their heads off and proclaiming a steak to be "not alive"? WTF was that? Yeah the symbiote was beginning to take control but good lord they really had to make Tom Hardy try and pull a Nicolas Cage and Shia LaBeouf? |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 27, 2018 22:18:02 GMT
No i mean Venom. He shouldn't not make stupid jokes. He should be a fearsome Monster, who scares anyone. - did Thor make stupid jokes when he was crying like a girl while getting a haircut? He should be an awesome Norse god who dies in Ragnarök, not cry salty rivers in Fragglerock. - Did IronMang make stupid jokes when he was battling his iron robots but wondered whether Hulk plays hide-the-zucchini with sterilized Black Widow? He should be acting in quality movies not phoning it in in that formulaic trash. - Did Rocket Racoon make stupid jokes when he threatened that he would hide famously squishy turds in Starlord's pillow? He should be neutered or build a dam with some sexy Beaver? My point: it all stays in the Marvel family! Deal with it. |
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Post by summers8 on Nov 27, 2018 22:39:07 GMT
the jokes in thor 3 worked for a film about Ragnarök.  |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 28, 2018 0:05:18 GMT
the jokes in thor 3 worked for a film about Ragnarök. Yes, they did. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 28, 2018 0:09:27 GMT
No i mean Venom. He shouldn't not make stupid jokes. He should be a fearsome Monster, who scares anyone. - did Thor make stupid jokes when he was crying like a girl while getting a haircut? He should be an awesome Norse god who dies in Ragnarök, not cry salty rivers in Fragglerock. - Did IronMang make stupid jokes when he was battling his iron robots but wondered whether Hulk plays hide-the-zucchini with sterilized Black Widow? He should be acting in quality movies not phoning it in in that formulaic trash. - Did Rocket Racoon make stupid jokes when he threatened that he would hide famously squishy turds in Starlord's pillow? He should be neutered or build a dam with some sexy Beaver? My point: it all stays in the Marvel family! Deal with it. The individual you are replying to is not really much of a fan of the MCU to begin with so all that energy you spent there was for nothing. Way to go, you let your blood pressure rise for no reason... |
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Post by thenewnexus on Nov 28, 2018 3:32:42 GMT
They are too campy and plus shitnerok was missing its best character Darcy Anyone who thinks Darcy was the best thing in Thor obviously has no idea what makes a movie good or not. I could say the same about those who praise 90 percent of mcu movies. |
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 28, 2018 3:44:04 GMT
Anyone who thinks Darcy was the best thing in Thor obviously has no idea what makes a movie good or not. I could say the same about those who praise 90 percent of mcu movies. You could say it but you'd be wrong. |
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