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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 28, 2018 19:50:36 GMT
Why are there so many people obsessed with the hope that George Lucas will come back to direct more Star Wars movies?
A) Its not going to happen. Why would he have sold otherwise?!
B) It SHOULDNT happen!
The most beloved SW movie is ESB - NOT directed by Lucas. The most divisive SW movies are the prequels - all directed by Lucas (if you call that directing; I call it pointing the camera).
The man hasn't "really" directed since SW:ANH!
It might be good if he were hired as a story consultant, but otherwise, new better directors are the way to go IMO. |
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Post by _ on Nov 28, 2018 20:17:31 GMT
Why are there so many people obsessed with the hope that George Lucas will come back to direct more Star Wars movies?
A) Its not going to happen. Why would he have sold otherwise?!
B) It SHOULDNT happen!
The most beloved SW movie is ESB - NOT directed by Lucas. The most divisive SW movies are the prequels - all directed by Lucas (if you call that directing; I call it pointing the camera).
The man hasn't "really" directed since SW:ANH!
It might be good if he were hired as a story consultant, but otherwise, new better directors are the way to go IMO. Did you post this here mistakenly or are you being an asshole? Since this is an A) an Episode IX board, and B) Lucas is not involved with Episode IX, guess which I'm leaning towards? |
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Post by Salzmank on Nov 28, 2018 20:35:33 GMT
Just to put my two cents in… Lucas has a reputation as an ideas-man, and he’s really good at that, but he also has a real talent for visual compositions. There are many visually beautiful scenes in the prequels and a huge amount of imagination.
Also: directorially, I think Lucas had a huge impact on both Empire and Jedi–maybe not as much as Hawks had on The Thing, or Spielberg had on Poltergeist, but close. It’s the same with his control over the Young Indiana Jones series and Radioland Murders.
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Post by _ on Nov 28, 2018 20:37:57 GMT
Just to put my two cents in… Lucas has a reputation as an ideas-man, and he’s really good at that, but he also has a real talent for visual compositions. There are many visually beautiful scenes in the prequels and a huge amount of imagination. Also: directorially, I think Lucas had a huge impact on both Empire and Jedi–maybe not as much as Hawks had on The Thing, or Spielberg had on Poltergeist, but close. It’s the same with his control over the Young Indiana Jones series and Radioland Murders. The man is a stone cold legend, and the people that want to give others credit for TESB, ROTJ, or even STAR WARS itself are misguided... at best. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 28, 2018 21:15:24 GMT
Why are there so many people obsessed with the hope that George Lucas will come back to direct more Star Wars movies?
A) Its not going to happen. Why would he have sold otherwise?!
B) It SHOULDNT happen!
The most beloved SW movie is ESB - NOT directed by Lucas. The most divisive SW movies are the prequels - all directed by Lucas (if you call that directing; I call it pointing the camera).
The man hasn't "really" directed since SW:ANH!
It might be good if he were hired as a story consultant, but otherwise, new better directors are the way to go IMO.
Since this is an A) an Episode IX board, and B) Lucas is not involved with Episode IX, guess which I'm leaning towards?
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Post by alpha128 on Nov 28, 2018 23:32:36 GMT
The most divisive SW movies are the prequels - all directed by Lucas. Actually, math proves that "The Last Jedi" is the most divisive "Star Wars" film - by a wide margin. |
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Post by politicidal on Nov 29, 2018 2:30:32 GMT
Same reason people paradoxically think fondly about their one ex lover that drove them insane.
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Post by Salzmank on Nov 29, 2018 2:42:12 GMT
Same reason people paradoxically think fondly about their one ex lover that drove them insane. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 29, 2018 3:04:11 GMT
His quirky imagination helped, however he did get a lot of ideas from other sources.
Star Wars 1977 appears to be a remake of Fox's Prince Valiant. There are several similarities. Rural boy becomes a knight-has an older mentor (Sterling Hayden is a Han Solo type), the black knight and singing sword (Vader and light saber).
Raiders was obviously a partial remake of Secret of the Incas (both by Paramount).
I have never seen Prince Valiant mentioned as inspiration for Star Wars. Only Flash Gordon, Japanese films, etc.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 29, 2018 18:41:27 GMT
Just to put my two cents in… Lucas has a reputation as an ideas-man, and he’s really good at that, but he also has a real talent for visual compositions. There are many visually beautiful scenes in the prequels and a huge amount of imagination. Also: directorially, I think Lucas had a huge impact on both Empire and Jedi–maybe not as much as Hawks had on The Thing, or Spielberg had on Poltergeist, but close. It’s the same with his control over the Young Indiana Jones series and Radioland Murders. The man is a stone cold legend, and the people that want to give others credit for TESB, ROTJ, or even STAR WARS itself are misguided... at best. I don't want to give credit to others for what he did. I'm giving credit where credit it due. Lucas is an amazing creator, and created and directed one of my top 3 favorite movies of all time, Star Wars. Although, when you really look into it's all quite derivative, which he's even admitted... but I digress.
However, he's really only directed 3 movies. That THX thing, American Graffiti, and Star Wars. ESB and ROTJ were directed by others (one of whom is the much better director Kirshner). And the prequels were assembly line made, and it shows.
And as for Salzmank 's assertion that "There are many visually beautiful scenes in the prequels and a huge amount of imagination" I agree (to a certain degree), but I attribute that more to the fact that he had the best and biggest SFX house in history working on the movies, ILM, which he owned.
And even then some of those FX blew! Geonosis arena anyone?
I think people that want to give him MORE credit than he actually deserves are the who are misguided. Lets put him in his proper place, not a pedestal. The truth is he was always more interested in technology (ILM, THX, Pixar, Lucasarts, etc.) than in actual filmmaking.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 30, 2018 12:04:36 GMT
Probably the guilt of bashing George back when the prequel films came out.
A lot of them had that "GEORGE LUCAS RAPED STAR WARS/MY CHILD HOOD!!!111" mentality.
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Post by ryboto on Nov 30, 2018 14:13:50 GMT
nah, the most divisive films have been TFA and TLJ.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Nov 30, 2018 19:33:42 GMT
The man is a stone cold legend, and the people that want to give others credit for TESB, ROTJ, or even STAR WARS itself are misguided... at best. I don't want to give credit to others for what he did. I'm giving credit where credit it due. Lucas is an amazing creator, and created and directed one of my top 3 favorite movies of all time, Star Wars. Although, when you really look into it's all quite derivative, which he's even admitted... but I digress.
However, he's really only directed 3 movies. That THX thing, American Graffiti, and Star Wars. ESB and ROTJ were directed by others (one of whom is the much better director Kirshner). And the prequels were assembly line made, and it shows.
[/b][/quote] I'm not sure what you mean by "assembly line made" but I didn't find the prequels to be overly formulaic. (In fact the sequel trilogy is far more formulaic than the prequels). IMO the weaknesses of the prequels were subpar/inconsistent pacing, directing issues, and dialogue issues. [/p] [/quote] Even so, Lucas still deserves a lot of credit for this. Lucas was very "hands on" when it came to the world building in all of his SW movies. Especially the prequels. He gave the vision concepts to his SFX and production teams. He made the final decisions on what was used. And he even pushed occasional new innovations to accomplish it. (You should check out some of the documentaries and featurettes on the prequels). [/p] [/quote] Everyone has their opinions about the CGI in the prequels of course. IMO the SFX/CGI of Geonosis was good (with a few exceptions). [/p][/quote] I don't know about that. I think your argument that he is not that good of a director is a more fair assessment. But he's always been a passionate storyteller and filmmaker. It's interesting to compare the filmmaking of Lucas with the filmmakers of the sequel (Disney) trilogy. I think Lucas is a good writer and producer *. (But his directing has hampered pacing and actor performance). Abrams and Johnson's directing is stronger (but the writing suffers). Despite the differences in cinematography, I think all of the SW films get high marks there. Although there's places in each to nitpick. *Before you say "Wait a minute! Lucas was never a producer of any of the movies.", he was always very influential in the production. Also the roles of the Lucasian SW directors, producers, and writers have a history of being "fluid". |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Nov 30, 2018 19:59:42 GMT
Why are there so many people obsessed with the hope that George Lucas will come back to direct more Star Wars movies?
A) Its not going to happen. Why would he have sold otherwise?!
B) It SHOULDNT happen!
The most beloved SW movie is ESB - NOT directed by Lucas. The most divisive SW movies are the prequels - all directed by Lucas (if you call that directing; I call it pointing the camera).
The man hasn't "really" directed since SW:ANH!
It might be good if he were hired as a story consultant, but otherwise, new better directors are the way to go IMO. He's not coming back. His SW legacy ended with the CWAS; which coincidentally served to pass the the torch to Kathleen Kennedy (filmmaking) and Dave Filoni (animation). I wouldn't want to see him try to mesh himself with the issues of the Disney stories anyway. Maybe, maybe... some role in an anthology movie (if they bring them back). The episodic films are far too Disney now. No need for him to tarnish his legacy further (than his prequels criticisms) by getting involved in the problems of the Disney trilogies to come. Let them sink or swim on their own merits. I think some people want him back to fix writing issues more so than directing. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 1, 2018 2:12:24 GMT
And the prequels were assembly line made, and it shows.
[/b][/quote] IMO the weaknesses of the prequels were subpar/inconsistent pacing, directing issues, and dialogue issues.
I think we mean the same things. It only takes about 15 minutes into TPM to see that somethings...off. As visually stunning as those movies can be sometimes everything just feels wooden. It's like they put events in line one after the other without any consideration of story, character development, performance, or pace. The prequels just feel... awkward. None of the OT feel like that, and say what you will about the new movies, none of them feel that way either. [/p]
We may not like what we got from TLJ, but we cant deny that it was a fairly well made movie. Mark Hamill delivers his best Luke performance, the FX and pacing, especially during action scenes, is top notch. And there's even some character development for Luke and Kylo in particular.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 1, 2018 2:19:41 GMT
It might be good if he were hired as a story consultant, but otherwise, new better directors are the way to go IMO. I think some people want him back to fix writing issues more so than directing. Like I said, I think it would actually be a good idea if he were a story consultant. If he could be hired to write broad overviews, synopsis's, that the writers and directors could work from... I think that would be good. |
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Post by kleinreturns on Dec 1, 2018 9:51:00 GMT
nah, the most divisive films have been TFA and TLJ. Don't understand why TFA is being let out of the harsh criticism on here. Yes TLJ was bad but so was TFA. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 1, 2018 12:10:56 GMT
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Dec 2, 2018 3:52:00 GMT
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Post by Jedan Archer on Dec 2, 2018 10:00:41 GMT
Nonsensical and dumb drivel like what I read here made Lucas sell Lucasfilm in the first place.
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