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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 13:41:14 GMT
Or maybe that message is misunderstood. Very misunderstood, but a belief that plays over and over and over and over ad infinitum in their heads, like a stylus needle caught in a scratched record grove. The cross is going to save them.....  Misunderstood is right then. It's all about faith. Not symbols. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 1, 2018 13:42:46 GMT
Very misunderstood, but a belief that plays over and over and over and over ad infinitum in their heads, like a stylus needle caught in a scratched record grove. The cross is going to save them..... Misunderstood is right then. It's all about faith. Not symbols. Even faith is misunderstood, because what is that and where is it? Like any belief, it is all illusion or delusion for many. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 14:12:05 GMT
Misunderstood is right then. It's all about faith. Not symbols. Even faith is misunderstood, because what is that and where is it? Like any belief, it is all illusion or delusion for many. At some point knowledge ends and beliefs begin. As a species, our collective knowledge is puny compared to the ultimate reality, and a great deal of our individual way of seeing things is based on belief. There is a fuzzy line where knowledge ends and belief begins, as over time, things accepted as fact become proved false and new understandings emerge. We should stand on our own faith, share what we believe, and make personal decisions based on that faith, but not stand in judgement on where others place their beliefs. Standing in judgement nets nothing. Pointing out when one believes another is standing on belief when they think they are standing on knowledge, and the civil debate of that issue though, can be an opportunity to grow for both involved. |
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Post by teleadm on Dec 1, 2018 15:36:09 GMT
I don't see any problems at all, unless they believe in sucking vampires, and they are not, since they live in south america
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 2, 2018 5:09:51 GMT
Even faith is misunderstood, because what is that and where is it? Like any belief, it is all illusion or delusion for many. At some point knowledge ends and beliefs begin. As a species, our collective knowledge is puny compared to the ultimate reality, and a great deal of our individual way of seeing things is based on belief. There is a fuzzy line where knowledge ends and belief begins, as over time, things accepted as fact become proved false and new understandings emerge.We should stand on our own faith, share what we believe, and make personal decisions based on that faith, but not stand in judgement on where others place their beliefs. Standing in judgement nets nothing. Pointing out when one believes another is standing on belief when they think they are standing on knowledge, and the civil debate of that issue though, can be an opportunity to grow for both involved. Nice thoughtful post homerg.
One would have to ask though, what that ultimate reality is? Belief is only formed out of thinking and when it becomes thought, we then label it belief, but where does it really exist or reside? Belief is abstract and in no way absolute. Ultimately, faith\belief are all delusion and only exist in the mind of the beholder.
We all pass judgement at some stage, it is when condemnation comes into play that creates the flux. I like purple say over red, but when I like purple over red because red is wrong, then I am sidestepping the truth. Many beliefs are also laced with condemning those that don't share the same belief and it becomes about oppression and forceful manipulation about things that are not proven to be factual, or not operating from what is the authentic truth. All that is, is what is. Knowledge is just the foundation to paradoxically knowing nothing and letting go. The truth is not thought. No belief then exists in this realm of complete and total awareness.
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Post by Caesar Roberto on Dec 2, 2018 10:42:36 GMT
Christian girls can just go to confession on Sunday and fix whatever nastiness they got into on Friday and Saturday night. |
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Post by Caesar Roberto on Dec 2, 2018 10:45:54 GMT
As for what I feel about those who wear them, more power to them. It's a sign of religious expression More power to them? Religion is bad. Christianity is evil. Oh I see now. Your screen name. I assumed that was your name, not that you were a Christian. |
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Post by Caesar Roberto on Dec 2, 2018 11:24:49 GMT
Not all people who wear crucifixes are religious That's what I figured and what I was talking about in the OP Of course not. For example I don't blame old people for being religious. Both my grandmothers are (kind of) religioud, because it was normal at the time and they're probably mainly so out of tradition. Times have changed and I don't expect old people to change with them. But young people living today don't have the same excuse. They should know better. |
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Post by Red Horizon on Dec 2, 2018 12:02:27 GMT
I used to wear a gold chain with a tiny aeroplane pendant. It hung on the chain nose up and tail down. From my POV when I looked down on it, it looked like a cool golden plane. But to others it looked like a tiny crucifix. I don't wear anything around my neck anymore.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Dec 2, 2018 12:53:21 GMT
Not all people who wear crucifixes are religious That's what I figured and what I was talking about in the OP Of course not. For example I don't blame old people for being religious. Both my grandmothers are (kind of) religioud, because it was normal at the time and they're probably mainly so out of tradition. Times have changed and I don't expect old people to change with them. But young people living today don't have the same excuse. They should know better. Still doesn't make them bad people. Even implying they're ignorant or gullible is a bit condescending. I'm not religious myself, but I don't look down on or have anything against anyone who is. Faith and spirituality is a very personal thing and people should be free to believe without fear of mockery or persecution, just as we should be free to not believe. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 14:04:13 GMT
At some point knowledge ends and beliefs begin. As a species, our collective knowledge is puny compared to the ultimate reality, and a great deal of our individual way of seeing things is based on belief. There is a fuzzy line where knowledge ends and belief begins, as over time, things accepted as fact become proved false and new understandings emerge.We should stand on our own faith, share what we believe, and make personal decisions based on that faith, but not stand in judgement on where others place their beliefs. Standing in judgement nets nothing. Pointing out when one believes another is standing on belief when they think they are standing on knowledge, and the civil debate of that issue though, can be an opportunity to grow for both involved. Nice thoughtful post homerg.
One would have to ask though, what that ultimate reality is? Belief is only formed out of thinking and when it becomes thought, we then label it belief, but where does it really exist or reside? Belief is abstract and in no way absolute. Ultimately, faith\belief are all delusion and only exist in the mind of the beholder.
We all pass judgement at some stage, it is when condemnation comes into play that creates the flux. I like purple say over red, but when I like purple over red because red is wrong, then I am sidestepping the truth. Many beliefs are also laced with condemning those that don't share the same belief and it becomes about oppression and forceful manipulation about things that are not proven to be factual, or not operating from what is the authentic truth. All that is, is what is. Knowledge is just the foundation to paradoxically knowing nothing and letting go. The truth is not thought. No belief then exists in this realm of complete and total awareness.
I was talking on a more intimate, personal scale before, but you are correct that belief and faith can be used by a society to commit wrongdoings. There is a difference between personal belief and a belief system used by a society as a means to oppress those who believe differently. Oppression and forceful manipulation happens by both those societies who hold to and do not hold to a belief system. Those "beliefs" are just sadly an excuse used by some of those societies who wish to oppress. If you look at the core of most belief systems in societies that have been used to oppress, it is usually people in power with their own personal beliefs that overlay their values onto that system and corrupt it. And of course, there are belief systems that were built around someone's personal belief who wish to oppress as well. |
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Post by Archelaus on Dec 2, 2018 16:04:04 GMT
As for what I feel about those who wear them, more power to them. It's a sign of religious expression More power to them? Religion is bad. Christianity is evil. Oh I see now. Your screen name. I assumed that was your name, not that you were a Christian. It's my name and I am a Christian in faith. However, your statement that "Christianity is evil" is a broad generalization that ignores the good that Christians have done. In fact, just last year, The Washington Times reported that a study finds religious people are more likely to give towards charity. I am well knowledgeable that Christianity has twisted and abused as a vehicle for one's own ideology such as anti-Semitism and racism, to profit and promote themselves at the expense of others, and oppress and repress populations. However, that's not what the Christian walk is about. It is a relationship with God through the salvation that comes through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and to use that relationship to help others. As for my statement, "more power to them", it's in reference to the Christians who were persecuted for centuries. They did not have the freedom to show their faith as people can do now. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 2, 2018 20:00:40 GMT
I think cross and crucifix necklaces are cool, and I'm not religious myself.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 2, 2018 20:17:11 GMT
They are just paranoid about vampire attacks, that's all.
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Post by Nora on Dec 5, 2018 12:19:48 GMT
would be a huge red flag to me, BUT she could probably get u free chicken  |
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Post by nausea on Dec 6, 2018 10:36:08 GMT
Wow that was some Savage trolling dude
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 6, 2018 19:25:43 GMT
So the other night I was served by a really cute girl at my local KFC. The kind you don't see very often. Very beautiful. As she gave me my food I noticed that she was wearing a crucifix necklace and I was like dang, she must be religious and probably a bad person, therefore I am no longer interested and is not worth going after her. But then later that night I thought about it and realize it was wrong of me to presume someone who wears a crucifix is religious. Perhaps she was just a fan of the story of Jesus Christ (which is indeed a great story). Is that really any different than if she was wearing something like Frodo's ring or Slytherin's Locket? They are just memorabilia from popular fantasy stories when you think about it. It doesn't mean you have to believe the stories are real, right? So what do you guys think? What percentage of crucifix bearers do you think are actually believers? Serious answer: She probably IS very religious. Otherwise why would she wear it? But I suppose there's the chance that she's NOT that religious and it was given to her by someone special and she wears it for sentimental reasons only(?)
Semi-serious answer: Yeah, maybe she wears it because, because she's a fan of the fictional universe depicted within the new testament. Jesus was a bad ass dude, after all. Harry Potter didn't give his life for all our sins. Luke Skywalker cant walk on water. And show me one instance where Superman broke bread to feed so many! No, man, Jesus is the ultimate super hero. I wonder why there isn't more cosplay of him. Young Jesus. Jesus at the cross. Sexy Jesus.
Having some fun answer: You thought you had a chance with the girl at the KFC, huh?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 6, 2018 19:26:22 GMT
Misunderstood is right then. It's all about faith. Not symbols. Even faith is misunderstood, because what is that and where is it? Like any belief, it is all illusion or delusion for many. Delusion. Delusion. Make no mistake. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 19:40:01 GMT
Even faith is misunderstood, because what is that and where is it? Like any belief, it is all illusion or delusion for many. Delusion. Delusion. Make no mistake. So having faith is delusion? How is it any more delusional than not having faith? |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 6, 2018 19:44:18 GMT
More power to them? Religion is bad. Christianity is evil. Oh I see now. Your screen name. I assumed that was your name, not that you were a Christian. It's my name and I am a Christian in faith. However, your statement that "Christianity is evil" is a broad generalization that ignores the good that Christians have done. In fact, just last year, The Washington Times reported that a study finds religious people are more likely to give towards charity. I am well knowledgeable that Christianity has twisted and abused as a vehicle for one's own ideology such as anti-Semitism and racism, to profit and promote themselves at the expense of others, and oppress and repress populations. However, that's not what the Christian walk is about. It is a relationship with God through the salvation that comes through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and to use that relationship to help others. As for my statement, "more power to them", it's in reference to the Christians who were persecuted for centuries. They did not have the freedom to show their faith as people can do now. Firstly, let me be perfectly clear that I do not have anything against people who are religious. I like to make fun because I have a sense of humor and I think its funny. Nothing more than that. I respect that religion is important.... to you. And I accept that for a good many people religion is a force for good in their lives. I assume you are one.
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I love it when Christians talk about having been/or currently being persecuted, when its Christians who DO all the persecuting!!! Have Christians accepted gays? Aren't they still condemning them? Have Christians called out their own child molesters? Aren't they still covering them up? Have Christians called out assholes like Trump? Don't they still support that behavior by supporting him? Have Christians called out the gun violence going on in our country? Did Christians call out the slavery, the mass lynchings in the south, the decimation of the Native American Indian and the converting of their children, and the institutionalized racism that still goes on today? And while we're at it... Have Christians forgotten the Crusades? Have Christians forgotten the Inquisition? Have Christians forgotten the so called "witch" burnings? Have Christians forgotten all the in-fighting between them and the Protestants? Have Christians not made it clear that you will go to hell unless you convert, specifically to their religion and dogma, thus making it clear that everyone other than themselves are worthless and pitiable and need to be "saved", or else?
I for one cannot follow such a hypocritical and segregationist organization, and I certainly hope that you are a "better" Christian than most Christians, Christian.
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