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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Dec 10, 2018 15:35:00 GMT
I respect your argument. Personally, I am angered at what people have done in the name of Christianity and have done things in the name of God in order to fulfill their evil desires. I may need to refresh my memory on history, but I do know the Quakers were outspoken for the abolition of slavery during the 18th to 19th century. Harriet Tubman was a devoted Christian woman whom all we know rescued countless slaves from bondage. I do know that Christian pastors like Jentezen Franklin and A.R. Bernard have spoken up against Trump. You are right of course. I certainly didn't mean tot insinuate that ALL Christians are hypocritical. I get ramped up when I write sometimes. I just wish more folks had to the true faith. If they did, it would be a beautiful thing. I see more truth in your post before this one. I have seen too much of the negative effect of religion, and felt that I was mislead in my youth, being told that giving up your sense of logic and reason to obey an invisible sky father was the best way to save your soul for eternity. "Faith" and trusting others that claim that same faith, has done me more harm than good. Yes, religious people have done many good things. They have also done many bad things. Those that won't admit to that fact are just taking the easy route. "God has a plan!"... not... take responsibility for your own life and use your larger brain and improve the living conditions in the here-and-now, not some pie-in-the-sky afterlife. I find living in the real world may not be as 'happy' as living in la-la-land, but at least it's honest. So, yeah, have Christians forgotten the Crusades, et al? |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Dec 10, 2018 15:41:25 GMT
It's my name and I am a Christian in faith. However, your statement that "Christianity is evil" is a broad generalization that ignores the good that Christians have done. In fact, just last year, The Washington Times reported that a study finds religious people are more likely to give towards charity. I am well knowledgeable that Christianity has twisted and abused as a vehicle for one's own ideology such as anti-Semitism and racism, to profit and promote themselves at the expense of others, and oppress and repress populations. However, that's not what the Christian walk is about. It is a relationship with God through the salvation that comes through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and to use that relationship to help others. As for my statement, "more power to them", it's in reference to the Christians who were persecuted for centuries. They did not have the freedom to show their faith as people can do now. Firstly, let me be perfectly clear that I do not have anything against people who are religious. I like to make fun because I have a sense of humor and I think its funny. Nothing more than that. I respect that religion is important.... to you. And I accept that for a good many people religion is a force for good in their lives. I assume you are one.
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I love it when Christians talk about having been/or currently being persecuted, when its Christians who DO all the persecuting!!!
Have Christians accepted gays? Aren't they still condemning them?
Have Christians called out their own child molesters? Aren't they still covering them up?
Have Christians called out assholes like Trump? Don't they still support that behavior by supporting him?
Have Christians called out the gun violence going on in our country?
Did Christians call out the slavery, the mass lynchings in the south, the decimation of the Native American Indian and the converting of their children, and the institutionalized racism that still goes on today?
And while we're at it... Have Christians forgotten the Crusades?
Have Christians forgotten the Inquisition?
Have Christians forgotten the so called "witch" burnings?
Have Christians forgotten all the in-fighting between them and the Protestants?
Have Christians not made it clear that you will go to hell unless you convert, specifically to their religion and dogma, thus making it clear that everyone other than themselves are worthless and pitiable and need to be "saved", or else?
I for one cannot follow such a hypocritical and segregationist organization, and I certainly hope that you are a "better" Christian than most Christians, Christian.
I just thought your previous post deserved to be read again. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 16:41:05 GMT
Firstly, let me be perfectly clear that I do not have anything against people who are religious. I like to make fun because I have a sense of humor and I think its funny. Nothing more than that. I respect that religion is important.... to you. And I accept that for a good many people religion is a force for good in their lives. I assume you are one.
But...
I love it when Christians talk about having been/or currently being persecuted, when its Christians who DO all the persecuting!!!
Have Christians accepted gays? Aren't they still condemning them?
Have Christians called out their own child molesters? Aren't they still covering them up?
Have Christians called out assholes like Trump? Don't they still support that behavior by supporting him?
Have Christians called out the gun violence going on in our country?
Did Christians call out the slavery, the mass lynchings in the south, the decimation of the Native American Indian and the converting of their children, and the institutionalized racism that still goes on today?
And while we're at it... Have Christians forgotten the Crusades?
Have Christians forgotten the Inquisition?
Have Christians forgotten the so called "witch" burnings?
Have Christians forgotten all the in-fighting between them and the Protestants?
Have Christians not made it clear that you will go to hell unless you convert, specifically to their religion and dogma, thus making it clear that everyone other than themselves are worthless and pitiable and need to be "saved", or else?
I for one cannot follow such a hypocritical and segregationist organization, and I certainly hope that you are a "better" Christian than most Christians, Christian.
I just thought your previous post deserved to be read again. Those things don't sound like the teachings of Christ, do they? |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Dec 10, 2018 16:54:05 GMT
I just thought your previous post deserved to be read again. Have Christians not made it clear that you will go to hell unless you convert, specifically to their religion and dogma, thus making it clear that everyone other than themselves are worthless and pitiable and need to be "saved", or else? Actually, Jesus did say that the only way to the Father was through the Son, so, yeah, kinda.But it isn't just the Christian faith that has twisted an original message of positivity to negative actions, they all have. Religion is an extension of tribalism, and that is genetically hard-wired - survival of the species. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 17:14:50 GMT
Those things don't sound like the teachings of Christ, do they? Have Christians not made it clear that you will go to hell unless you convert, specifically to their religion and dogma, thus making it clear that everyone other than themselves are worthless and pitiable and need to be "saved", or else? Actually, Jesus did say that the only way to the Father was through the Son, so, yeah, kinda.But it isn't just the Christian faith that has twisted an original message of positivity to negative actions, they all have. Religion is an extension of tribalism, and that is genetically hard-wired - survival of the species. I don't think his meaning when he said that has been quite well kept by Christianity either. He was talking about the way he was showing as the way of living, "I am the way" in the words immediately preceding that phrase. That the path to righteousness was through living the kind of life he extolled people to live, one of kindness, peace , inclusiveness and nonjudgement, vs the judgemental life of being better than others that the religious leaders were pressing. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Dec 10, 2018 19:03:58 GMT
Have Christians not made it clear that you will go to hell unless you convert, specifically to their religion and dogma, thus making it clear that everyone other than themselves are worthless and pitiable and need to be "saved", or else? Actually, Jesus did say that the only way to the Father was through the Son, so, yeah, kinda.But it isn't just the Christian faith that has twisted an original message of positivity to negative actions, they all have. Religion is an extension of tribalism, and that is genetically hard-wired - survival of the species. I don't think his meaning when he said that has been quite well kept by Christianity either. He was talking about the way he was showing as the way of living, "I am the way" in the words immediately preceding that phrase. That the path to righteousness was through living the kind of life he extolled people to live, one of kindness, peace , inclusiveness and nonjudgement, vs the judgemental life of being better than others that the religious leaders were pressing. I respect your opinion. But I'm still an agnostic atheist. All religions, on some level, promote the kind of life he extolled people to live, one of kindness, peace, inclusiveness and nonjudgement. Just look at the Buddha. But so few people manage to live it. Secular Humanists do a better job of it than most religions. I've seen too much of the dark side of religion. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 19:20:23 GMT
I don't think his meaning when he said that has been quite well kept by Christianity either. He was talking about the way he was showing as the way of living, "I am the way" in the words immediately preceding that phrase. That the path to righteousness was through living the kind of life he extolled people to live, one of kindness, peace , inclusiveness and nonjudgement, vs the judgemental life of being better than others that the religious leaders were pressing. I respect your opinion. But I'm still an agnostic atheist. All religions, on some level, promote the kind of life he extolled people to live, one of kindness, peace, inclusiveness and nonjudgement. Just look at the Buddha. But so few people manage to live it. Secular Humanists do a better job of it than most religions. I've seen too much of the dark side of religion. I understand. The problems, to me, don't seem to be in the seed message, but I what men do with it in the name of religion. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Dec 10, 2018 19:37:54 GMT
I respect your opinion. But I'm still an agnostic atheist. All religions, on some level, promote the kind of life he extolled people to live, one of kindness, peace, inclusiveness and nonjudgement. Just look at the Buddha. But so few people manage to live it. Secular Humanists do a better job of it than most religions. I've seen too much of the dark side of religion. I understand. The problems, to me, don't seem to be in the seed message, but I what men do with it in the name of religion. I understand your point. But humans are, after all, still animals competing for survival, and we are genetically hard-wired to believe in life forces that we cannot see. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 20:20:10 GMT
I understand. The problems, to me, don't seem to be in the seed message, but I what men do with it in the name of religion. I understand your point. But humans are, after all, still animals competing for survival, and we are genetically hard-wired to believe in life forces that we cannot see. Lol, good thing, or maybe Gil would already have been investigating me being run over by a bus. |
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Post by dirtypillows on Dec 10, 2018 23:01:40 GMT
My first thought is that every time the person looks down, they see an upside down crucifix.
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 11, 2018 17:27:29 GMT
My thoughts are that it doesn't matter to me. People could wear that thing for different reasons and even if for religious reason it still doesn't matter to me and I am not going to judge a person in one or other way merely because he or she is wearing a cross.
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