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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 29, 2017 15:24:12 GMT
What movies did you not like all that much (or even actively hate) when you first saw them BUT upon viewing them again, you now really like them ? Not a classic era classic but for me The English Patient (1966) comes to mind.
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Post by Salzmank on Mar 29, 2017 16:28:23 GMT
Interesting idea for a thread, Bat.
The first two that come to my mind are two horror films, actually.
I recognized many of the virtues of Robert Wise's The Haunting the first time I saw it, but I still found it silly, cloying, and more than anything annoying, especially in Julie Harris's performance. If you'd asked me several years ago what I thought of The Haunting, my response would have been similar to this contrarian review.
Seeing it last Hallowe'en, though, having grown a little older (but by no means wiser! ) and having read the book, I found it far better, with excellent atmosphere and visuals. The performances, too, are quite good, even Harris's--though, I must admit, that voiceover still does grate on me more than a little! It's not my favorite ghost-story/haunted house film--I prefer The Uninvited, The Innocents, even the original Woman in Black and Ghostwatch--but it is better than I thought on first viewing.
On the other movie, actually, the opposite happened. I've written on this elsewhere on this forum, but I sometimes feel (though I know it's not true) I'm the only Hammer fan who actually doesn't like Horror of Dracula. (What? Blasphemy!) The first time I saw it, late at night, I loved it, but, having seen it more than once over the years, I can't say anything but that's it's just a bad movie. Sorry! It deviates wildly from the story, doesn't provide Dracula with much eeriness or even character, doesn't offer Christopher Lee much time to do anything as Dracula, features an hysterical performance from Michael Gough, cares more about shocks than atmosphere, and (most damagingly of all!) is dreadfully dull in the moments between those shocks. (With all that said, though, it does offer the performance of a lifetime from Peter Cushing as well as a first-rate climax.)
So, I know the second didn't quite meet your criteria, but it does stand as an opposite example, so... I hope it's OK!
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 29, 2017 16:39:42 GMT
Salzmank Sure, it's ok and I do like the pairing idea. Nothing to add as I haven't seen any of the films that you mentioned (yet). "The Others" is the closest I come to these films and I hated it again when I gave it a second chance. I had by then read user reviews, watched a "making of" and had at least a vague idea of what they were trying to say but, no go. Goodwill seemed happy enough to get the tape. I know that the OP would frown upon me if I mentioned it so I won't. Another one that I disliked the first go round and then came to like is for sure not a classic : Ice Age (2002). Not the greatest of animated films or even among the best but it's fun and I am glad that I gave it a second chance.
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Post by Matthew the Swordsman on Mar 29, 2017 18:57:38 GMT
Lunch Hour (1961)
Found it very boring the first time I viewed it. Really enjoyed it the second time I viewed it. Planning to watch it a third time.
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Post by OldAussie on Mar 29, 2017 19:16:55 GMT
Quite a few.....original rating/present rating -
The Searchers 6/10 - 9/10 The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance 6/10 - 9/10 Shane 6/10 - 9/10 Bullitt 6/10 - 9/10 Night Moves 6/10 - 9/10 2001: A Space Odyssey 5/10 - 10/10 The Godfather II 7/10 - 10/10
And probably many more. Most of these I first saw in high school and it was years (in some cases many years) later that I really appreciated them.
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Post by wmcclain on Mar 29, 2017 19:43:39 GMT
Neil Jordan's The End of the Affair. I didn't dislike it on first viewing but it didn't leave much of an impression when it was new.
Just saw it again, and it seems like a perfect motion picture.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 29, 2017 20:02:30 GMT
OldAussie"Most of these I first saw in high school and it was years (in some cases many years) later that I really appreciated them." As is often the case, with maturity comes wisdom.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 29, 2017 20:10:14 GMT
Matthew the Swordsman "Found it very boring the first time I viewed it. Really enjoyed it the second time I viewed it. Planning to watch it a third time." Lunch Hour (1961)I like pictures that show a relationship over time. Robert Stephens is not one of my "go-to" actors but might give it a try. I had to laugh when I read the character list. Almost no-one is given a name other than man, woman, manageress etc.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 29, 2017 20:17:48 GMT
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Post by marshamae on Mar 29, 2017 20:18:43 GMT
I've rarely changed my first opinion of a film. That probably says something about me ,though I have no idea what. I just like the films I liked when I was a child, a teenager and a young adult, and I very rarely like any film I disliked on first viewing.
One is Vertigo. I hated it and thought it very overblown . Years of people raving about it caused me to rewatch it, and each time I saw more to appreciate. It will never be a great favorite, but I have come to like Kim Novak's performance very much. I like the way he treats obsession, as though it's almost another character.
Another Hitchcock I like better than I did on first viewing is the Birds. Again the clostrophobic sense of being trapped in the small town, the spare stripped down settings were repellant on first viewing and I didn't appreciate the performances as much as I've learned to on repeated viewing. I still find some of the bit actors clumsy and off putting, and I'm puzzled by the lack of real sizzle between Rod Taylor and Tippi Hedren . There was more energy between her and Suzanne Pleshette, who was really outstanding.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 29, 2017 20:27:18 GMT
marshamaeMost pictures that I dislike, I don't bother watching again. Like you though, I did give Vertigo another look because it seemed so universally admired. I still don't care for it at all. It's just one of those "I really don't get it" pictures for me. The Birds, I have always liked.
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Post by Sulla on Mar 29, 2017 21:50:57 GMT
Generally if I watch a movie more than once, it grows on me. And there are some movies in which I had little interest until I got older and viewed them from a different perspective.
Local Hero (1983) - when I first started watching it, I didn't get very far before losing interest. I just couldn't seem to connect up to it. But they kept showing it on HBO and I grew to love the quirky, dry humor so much that it became a favorite.
The Unbearable Lightness Of Being (1988) - this one takes a lot of patience. And just like The English Patient, it helps to understand the historical context. My interest grew when I learned about the 'Prague Spring' of 1968. I really like the three main actors, (Daniel Day-Lewis, Juliette Binoche and Lena Olin), and they eventually made it work for me.
True Grit (2010) - My opinion was biased from the start because I never liked the original. The first time I was indifferent to it. But in the past year it has been on tv many times. Jeff Bridges and Hailee Steinfield won me over.
EDIT: oops, I forgot I was on the Classic Film board. 
Here are three older ones I didn't like at first. That Hamilton Woman (1941) Mrs. Miniver (1942) Dial M For Murder - (1954)
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Post by Salzmank on Mar 29, 2017 22:10:45 GMT
Reading everyone else's comments reminded me of several others in which case this sort of scenario happened to me. Like OldAussie, I didn't think much of The Searchers the first time I saw it and thought it overrated. Having seen it twice since then, I absolutely loved it both of those times--particularly John Wayne's nuanced performance (amazing that one can say that about one of the Duke's performances!  --best acting he ever did, along with Red River and, to a lesser degree, Rio Bravo) and Ford's gorgeous cinematography. Natalie Wood's performance is still a bit silly, but the whole thing essentially works--it remains one of my favorite movies. Another case is Marnie. I didn't like it much the first time I saw it, for Tippi Hedren's performance and the obviously fake backdrops, but now I find it one of Hitch's best--an absolutely brilliant case study of the titular character, with real compassion and care, and a fantasy sense that must be destroyed so that she can evolve, emotionally, as a human being. Hedren's performance and the backdrops reflects that sense, which is why I think it very much on purpose. Great movie.
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Post by Richard Kimble on Mar 29, 2017 22:15:24 GMT
God's Little Acre
I had seen this 1958 adaptation of Erskine Caldwell's controversial 1933 novel (he was actually arrested and tried for obscenity) many years ago when I was a young teenager, and not cared for it. Part of my distaste was undoubtedly due to my being a Southerner annoyed by the sexed-up Li'l Abner stereotypes.
But watching it again after all these years, and in a different frame of mind, it strikes me as almost a minor classic, for all its many flaws. This can be credited to the direction from -- of all people -- Anthony Mann (surely this is the odd-man-out in his filmography) and photography by Ernest Haller. Despite the rural setting, most of the film takes place at night, with key scenes in a deserted cotton mill and on the street outside a honky-tonk beer joint during a trip to the "big city" (Augusta Georgia).
This gives the film a noirish look that is superficially at odds with its Beverly Hillbillies characters, and adds to its unique ambiance. Because instead of noir cool we get raucous black comedy and wildly over-the-top caricatures. In fact, GLA is so flamboyantly larger than life that it comes across as a musical that has had all its songs cut.
(Idea for you theatrical types. Get the musical rights to GLA. It seems to be crying out for an adaptation).
Some of the casting is unsurprising: Jack Lord (in his butch leading man phase) and an already paunchy Aldo Ray as the hunks, Vic Morrow as Lord's loyal puppydog little brother (ironic since Morrow despised Lord -- allegedly they even got into a fistfight on the set).
Tina Louise plays the supposed sexpot that the various males fight over. Since Louise never did anything for me (I was always a Mary Ann man) she not only looks wrong but seems almost schoolmarmish in her repressed manner. Fay Spain is a lot more fun as the nymphomaniacal sister.
Buddy Hackett plays a spoof of the fat redneck sheriff cliché. Rex Ingram is a friendly black sharecropper, Michael Landon has a small role as an albino (!!) and one Lance Fuller plays the rich brother from Augusta. He's the one cast member who makes no impact at all.
The central role, Ty Ty the obsessed farmer, is played by the surprisingly cast Robert Ryan. Ryan is expert as psychos and villains, but he's not the first actor you'd think of for this kind of larger-than-life Falstaff/"fool" role, one that might suit Burt Lancaster or Jimmy Cagney better. However, he's generally quite effective, making up in gravitas what he might lack in theatricality.
The script by the blacklisted Ben Maddow (although credited to perennial front Phillip Yordan, who was allegedly illiterate -- but that's another story) has some exposition and other problems. One example: the film is more than half over when Ty Ty needs money and decides to borrow it from his son in Augusta -- a son we've never heard mentioned before. His existence should have been worked into dialogue earlier.
Maddow's script seems divided into theatrical style scenes, often separated by fades to black. This may have been necessitated by heavy editing (censorship?). Scenes that you expect to see are curiously missing. GLA is essentially two plots fused together: Ty Ty desperately searching for gold on his farm, and Will Thompson (Ray) desperately trying to open the cotton mill that supports the town's workers.
This latter, proletarian storyline seems added-on, a leftover from the novel's original publication in 1933. It ensures GLA a place in that group of films (A Place In The Sun, Lonelyhearts, The Flim Flam Man, Fitzwilly) that are set in contemporary times but really should take place in the 1930s.
Elmer Bernstein's score, full of pastoral horns and strings, is very good, even if it is the most blatant imitation of Aaron Copland I've ever heard. In fact it's so similar Copland fans may want to track it down for comparison purposes. The title song is an interesting gospel pastiche, although the use of an all-too-obviously lily-white chorus blunts its impact.
I don't know where the auteurists rank GLA in the Anthony Mann canon, but it definitely deserves a look.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Mar 29, 2017 22:35:20 GMT
Thanks, Bat, for offering a flip side to the "Movies You Once Liked/Loved..." thread (to which I had little to contribute). In either case (and as I suggested there), these changes have to do with the viewer rather than the films, which remain fixed and are, upon first viewing or tenth, the same as they always were.*
I don't know if it's mere coincidence that the first two coming to mind involve director John Huston and star Humphrey Bogart, but I initially found both The Maltese Falcon and Beat the Devil difficult to find my way into. The plotting of the first, with its gradual revelations of identities, backstories and relationships seemed to me needlessly convoluted, confusing and, therefore, tiresome and uncompelling upon first viewing, but the fun of working them out alongside Sam Spade became apparent upon a later one as everything fell into place. It's rather like a parlor game, in which each participant reveals only as much as will benefit them in the moment or, if needs dictate, will misdirect to the same end. The key is to let it play through at its own pace as the deceptions, double-dealings and revelations sort themselves out.
The second, with its distinctly avant-garde look (for a 1953 film from a U.S. director), gritty and unfamiliar locations and international cast struck me at first as slapdash, and the narrative unfocused. "What kind of movie is this," I wondered. Later evaluation revealed the subtly satirical humor, much of which had at first flown under my radar, and the extensive location work provides both grounding and contrast to the often-whimsical unfoldings. What had once baffled me came to assert itself as charm, and it "clicked." I've loved it ever since.
*An exception to that which was stated above involves the pitfalls of broadcast-TV viewing in the days before the proliferation of revival theaters, home video or TCM-type "uncut and uninterrupted" showings. I'd heard great things about Singin' In the Rain and 1954's A Star Is Born, but TV broadcasts of the late-'60s-early-'70s hadn't shown me much, and it was only later exposure to them at revival houses that revealed those broadcasts to have been hopelessly truncated encapsulations of what some editor or other had imagined as only their high points, robbing them of the pace and rhythm so crucial to narrative structure and ironically reducing them to collections of overstatement.
Exuberant musicals had always caught my fancy - Damn Yankees and just about anything with Betty Grable (the only films my WWII-generation father would sit down with me to watch) were early favorites - but I preferred them modern and urban: Busby Berkeley, Astaire/Rogers and the like; something "period" like Gigi, My Fair Lady or 1776 left me cold. Maturity - and a relationship with a dance/singer/actor providing needed education - along with theatrical screenings in their full glory allowed me to appreciate their gentile wit, sophistication and exquisite artistry. Has there ever been a lyric as poetically beautiful in its symmetry yet elegantly eloquent in its simplicity as, "Have I been standing up too close or back too far?"
I say again: exquisite.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 30, 2017 0:27:33 GMT
Sulla" And there are some movies in which I had little interest until I got older and viewed them from a different perspective." This about sums it up for the films that have somehow magically improved as they got older I would not worry too much about citing non-classic films in this thread. The English Patient isn't exactly "old" yet.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 30, 2017 0:30:30 GMT
Richard KimbleThanks for the writeup about God's Little Acre. I've never seen it but have seen stills of Michael Landon in it. I have found that watching a film in "a different frame of mind" sometimes is all it takes to turn a "meh" into a "WOW".
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 30, 2017 0:41:03 GMT
Doghouse6"Thanks for offering a flip side to the "Movies You Once Liked/Loved and now don't thread " Quite welcome,Doghouse6. It seemed a good way to maybe get some positive energy going and I would not be a bit surprised if your reply on that thread was what got the idea percolating. Excellent posts about the Huston's and the clipped musicals. It does help to see the whole film as it was intended to be seen. Falcon is one I have always liked but the most recent viewing, I paid more attention to the details and it was even better. I keep trying to "get" Beat the Devil but it keeps slipping away. I like the cast too much to give up completely though.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Mar 30, 2017 1:40:48 GMT
I would not be a bit surprised if your reply on that thread was what got the idea percolating. Cool! (Between you and me, that's exactly what I hoped would happen...I'm not much of a thread-starter.)Falcon is one I have always liked but the most recent viewing, I paid more attention to the details and it was even better. I'm glad you zeroed in on that aspect of it. Although Chinatown is one by which I was bowled over from the very first, it's generally my "go to" example of just such a film that keeps on giving: long after who's who, what's what and who's done what to whom has been understood, countless re-viewings yield satisfaction and deeper appreciation for those many little things that might be missed the first couple or so times around, offering further rewards each time it's revisited; TMF certainly qualifies. I keep trying to "get" Beat the Devil but it keeps slipping away. I like the cast too much to give up completely though. I can readily sympathize, as it took me several tries over a period of years. The best I can offer is to say it finally caught me in the right frame of mind from which to abandon earlier impressions, approach it with fresh eyes and simply surrender to its droll-this-moment, goofy-the-next spirit. I've read that Bogart and others sensed disaster during its making, and soldiered on with a "what the hell" attitude, and this sense of abandon may have unexpectedly contributed to what I now find working in its favor.
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Post by manfromplanetx on Mar 30, 2017 1:50:35 GMT
God's Little AcreI don't know where the auteurists rank GLA in the Anthony Mann canon, but it definitely deserves a look. Anthony Mann said it was one of his favourite films he directed, I have always loved it but must say that I am not an American I think some of you guys are thick-skinned which I think reflects in much of the negative response to the film. I have the original Insert Poster framed on my movie room wall
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