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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 30, 2017 2:51:41 GMT
Doghouse6One of the aspects in Falcon that I hadn't particularly noticed before was the relationship between Spade and Effie. They are friends as well as boss'n'secretary and they show it in their easy way with each other. The interaction between Detective Tom and Spade also caught my eye more than usual. One gets so caught up with Bridget Shaughnessy and Gutman and Cairo and poor picked on Wilmer that the other great characters sometimes get neglected. Not to mention that twisty plot that insists on distracting one's attention ! Chinatown is one that has grown on me. Didn't dislike it but hadn't thought it was very special. Reading various discussions about the details of it has helped a lot. I even watched The Two Jakes on recommendation by a friend and it's not as bad as its reputation would lead one to believe. Especially if seen soon after Chinatown so that the story details are fresh in memory.. Then there is that "simple cute little comedy" called Groundhog Day. Better and better when it is given a chance. Beat the Devil and To Catch A Thief are both films that have not yet "clicked" but I have hopes for both. You may not be a "thread-starter" but you are sure a good "thread adder-to-er" and we sure could use even more of those !
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Post by hi224 on Mar 30, 2017 3:21:09 GMT
Marathon man good but something quite not clicking.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 30, 2017 3:39:04 GMT
Marathon man good but something quite not clicking. So it's basically NOT a picture that you felt improved upon subsequent viewings then ?
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Post by hi224 on Mar 30, 2017 4:54:09 GMT
Marathon man good but something quite not clicking. So it's basically NOT a picture that you felt improved upon subsequent viewings then ? I cant buy some of the logic of the second half honestly.
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Post by fangirl1975 on Mar 30, 2017 19:09:54 GMT
Dr. Zhivago is a well regarded film that didn't click with me. Would I appreciate it more if I put aside the hype about it being one of the most romantic films of all time?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 4:36:02 GMT
Anything by Stanley Kubrick. Yes, I am aware that a technically revolutionary film is 2001 is. I just don't care, because it's skin-peelingly boring. Yes, I understand the themes. I just don't care.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 31, 2017 5:00:06 GMT
Dr. Zhivago is a well regarded film that didn't click with me. Would I appreciate it more if I put aside the hype about it being one of the most romantic films of all time? Putting aside hype and expectations usually helps any film. I hated The English Patient the first time and could not understand the fuss about how great it is. Second viewing. It's not GREAT but I liked it. Have you watched Zhivago more than once yet ?
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 31, 2017 5:04:48 GMT
Anything by Stanley Kubrick. Yes, I am aware that a technically revolutionary film is 2001 is. I just don't care, because it's skin-peelingly boring. Yes, I understand the themes. I just don't care. Since Kubrick and 2001 don't fit here "What movies did you not like all that much (or even actively hate) when you first saw them BUT upon viewing them again, you now really like them ?"
got some that do ?
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Mar 31, 2017 8:41:04 GMT
Doghouse6 One of the aspects in Falcon that I hadn't particularly noticed before was the relationship between Spade and Effie. They are friends as well as boss'n'secretary and they show it in their easy way with each other. The interaction between Detective Tom and Spade also caught my eye more than usual. One gets so caught up with Bridget Shaughnessy and Gutman and Cairo and poor picked on Wilmer that the other great characters sometimes get neglected. Not to mention that twisty plot that insists on distracting one's attention ! "You're a good man, sister."
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Mar 31, 2017 8:46:45 GMT
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941)
The Tall T (Budd Boetticher, 1957)
Psycho (Alfred Hitchcock, 1960)
Once Upon a Time in the West (Sergio Leone, 1968)
The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean (John Huston, 1972)
The Eiger Sanction (Clint Eastwood, 1975)
The latter two are certainly not "classics," but Eiger constitutes a remarkable cinematic achievement.
If I could throw a contemporary movie out there ...
The Lone Ranger (Gore Verbinski, 2013)
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 31, 2017 12:30:47 GMT
joekiddlouischamaInteresting collection. Care to elaborate on how they improved for you ( mentioning cinematic achievement seem to be a hint)? Most of them (other than Kane) don't seem to be in the "I'm older and wiser now" category. Having seen the trailer for The Lone Ranger I have given it a pass. I started to watch The Wild Wild West and abandoned it rather quickly, tried again and still a "nope".
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Post by Doghouse6 on Mar 31, 2017 14:16:47 GMT
Doghouse6 One of the aspects in Falcon that I hadn't particularly noticed before was the relationship between Spade and Effie. They are friends as well as boss'n'secretary and they show it in their easy way with each other. The interaction between Detective Tom and Spade also caught my eye more than usual. One gets so caught up with Bridget Shaughnessy and Gutman and Cairo and poor picked on Wilmer that the other great characters sometimes get neglected. Not to mention that twisty plot that insists on distracting one's attention ! Chinatown is one that has grown on me. Didn't dislike it but hadn't thought it was very special. Reading various discussions about the details of it has helped a lot. I even watched The Two Jakes on recommendation by a friend and it's not as bad as its reputation would lead one to believe. Especially if seen soon after Chinatown so that the story details are fresh in memory.. Then there is that "simple cute little comedy" called Groundhog Day. Better and better when it is given a chance. Beat the Devil and To Catch A Thief are both films that have not yet "clicked" but I have hopes for both. You may not be a "thread-starter" but you are sure a good "thread adder-to-er" and we sure could use even more of those ! A lot of the great "P.I." movies have something like that cop/shamus relationship in common, don't they? Guarded mutual respect; a grudging amount of trust that will go only so far; willingness to cut each other some slack, but not too much. Unless there's source material of which I'm unaware, Groundhog Day represents something that's become rarer and rarer: a truly original concept. Combine that with its charming execution, and it well deserves all the esteem in which it's held. To Catch A Thief is probably the lightest and fluffiest of Hitchcock's "wrong man" exercises: low on thrills and long on style. On that basis, I can understand any viewer perhaps not finding it to be among the most compelling of Hitch's work. But its wit, elegance and beauty, filtered through that emblematic Hitchcock style, go a long way with me. The most recent master from which the Blu-ray and HD broadcasts have been derived from VistaVision source elements yields images that are knock-your-eye-out stunning.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Apr 1, 2017 10:56:38 GMT
joekiddlouischama Interesting collection. Care to elaborate on how they improved for you ( mentioning cinematic achievement seem to be a hint)? Most of them (other than Kane) don't seem to be in the "I'm older and wiser now" category. Having seen the trailer for The Lone Ranger I have given it a pass. I started to watch The Wild Wild West and abandoned it rather quickly, tried again and still a "nope". The Will Smith thing, you mean? I remember when it came out in the summer of 1999, but it has never interested in me. Since TBS is airing the film a week from now, though, I may give it a chance. If you possess a historical interest in Westerns, The Lone Ranger might interest you. The film features homages to several Westerns from the past, and its fatalistic theme about the tragic saga of Native Americans is quite stirring and poignant. Of course, this theme is nothing new— Little Big Man, The Outlaw Josey Wales, and others have covered it long before—but it receives a refreshing rendition in The Lone Ranger, and the film's ability to blend it with the movie's droll, pyrotechnical high jinx proves surprisingly effective. At the same time, that blend is not quite seamless, and I found it too chaotic after a first viewing. But I found the mix much easier to digest upon a second screening, and I ultimately viewed The Lone Ranger four times in the theater. I first viewed Citizen Kane at twenty-three years of age, and the film did little for me. I viewed it again over two years later, at twenty-five, and I found it to be a riveting and daring dark fable about the American Dream—a man's meteoric rise and spiraling self-destruction. I initially saw The Tall T as a freshman in college as part of a course on Westerns, just after I had turned eighteen. The movie seemed bland and boring to me then, but I gave it another look nearly fifteen years later, at thirty-two, and I loved it. Director Budd Boetticher's sense of color, composition, visual form, and landscape is impeccable, and he creates a powerful sense of atmosphere, delicately unearthing primal instincts and carnal energies. And his use of star Budd Boetticher is both classical and ironic. I first viewed Psycho as a junior in college as part of a course on Alfred Hitchcock, at twenty years of age, and I found the film overrated. I suppose that I thought that it represented a manifestation of style over substance. I viewed the movie again three years later, in my second year of graduate school at twenty-three years old as part of a film course, and I appreciated it much more. I have now seen Psycho about six times (twice in the theater), and what I now recognize is that the film fuses style and substance sublimely, with the style serving to instinctively reflect primal fears and desires, along with rather sophisticated forms of social subversion. Psycho may be as lean and coolly dynamic a film ever created, taking horror movie conventions and mannerisms, boiling them down to their absolute essence, and then extending them to places where cinema had not previously ventured. Already well-familiar with director Sergio Leone's three preceding Westerns (with Clint Eastwood), I initially screened Once Upon a Time in the West during the summer after I had graduated from high school, when I was seventeen. I enjoyed the film's opening and closing, but what transpired in between did not especially compel me. I appreciated the movie more when I viewed it on my own during my freshman year of college, but not until my third viewing, the following summer, did I fully recognize the epic's rich tapestry and poignant ironies. (I have now viewed the movie six times.) I first saw The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean as a freshman in college, although not as part of a course. Someone recommended the film to me and sent me a letter-boxed VHS copy recorded from a laser disc, but I did not especially care for the movie. I found it tonally inconsistent, with Paul Newman's ambiguous performance alienating rather than entrancing the viewer. But I gave the film another chance about four and a half years later, early in my second year of graduate school and shortly before I turned twenty-three, and I appreciated it much more. Roy Bean is something of a roller coaster, but it is witty and creative, moody and atmospheric. I have now seen the film about four times, and here is a review that I wrote on January 12, 2005: woozy weaknesses serve as scintillating strengths
The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean (John Huston, 1972) is a delightful (if delirious, disjointed, and sometimes desultory) Western where woozy weaknesses serve as scintillating strengths. At first glance, the viewer will doubtlessly be jarred by the film's abrupt shifts in tone, ridiculous vignettes, and failure to explore its thematic depths. But if its warped eccentricity ultimately renders Roy Bean a less than substantial venture, it still manages to be brilliantly, nostalgically decadent while offering a smattering of melancholy as well. Its satirical-sentimental take on our Western folklore is evidenced in Paul Newman's nuanced performance, mixing whimsy, vulnerability, and violence, as well as Maurice Jarre's sweetly haunting score and the heavily back-lit and sepia-inflected cinematography of Richard Moore. To be sure, one may wish that Huston and writer John Milius had examined the convergence of vengeance and justice, along with the cruel and capricious nature of dictatorial law, with a greater sense of sobriety and seriousness. And without a doubt, the film becomes a bit stunted in places, thanks to a paradoxical admixture of detachment and self-indulgence along with such dizzy diversions as a pet bear and a "Raindrops Keep Fallin' on My Head"-style musical montage. Then again, without these seeming flaws, Roy Bean wouldn't be so curious and charming and its decadent nostalgia would lose its potency and poignancy. Again, the film's weaknesses also happen to be its essential strengths, thus making it an oxymoron that flummoxes at first but fascinates upon reflection and review.
I first viewed The Eiger Sanction at seventeen years of age, as a high school senior, and I instinctively sensed that the film was one of Eastwood's weaker ventures from a dramatic perspective (not in terms of suspense, but human interactions), due to the nature of the material. But while I was still a teenager, I saw the film about three more times, and my appreciation of it grew over the viewings (six in total now). Despite its inherent limitations, Eastwood still gets a lot out of the movie—on multiple levels: cinematography, location shooting, outdoor suspense, atmosphere, humor, thematic commentary. Here is what I wrote on IMDb on January 1, 2006: Personally, I find it more realistic than nearly all the James Bond films. If a Bond story (From Russia with Love aside) were actually to have a toehold in realism, it would manifest itself as The Eiger Sanction. While it's not a terribly substantial film, it's surprisingly intelligent, classy, and elegant, more thoughtful and subversive than most espionage thrillers. The film's wry theme about the duplicity, amorality, and futility of Cold War espionage is quite sharp and startling, and its biting, cynical commentary exposes the ignorance, hypocrisy, and delusions that fuel the patriotic defense of barbaric policy. In this movie's context, patriotism is a sham, an excuse, a mindless and misguided exercise in self-indulgent savagery and criminality. Sure, a stronger narrative could have elevated this theme even further, but it's still memorably expressed in a pair of passages.
And of course, the film's real stars are Eastwood (who gives a more voluble performance than usual) and Frank Stanley's cinematography. Handsomely mounted, the movie's rich attention to color and composition, along with its spiraling camerawork steeped in high/low angles and verticality, is a testament to the visual potential of the filmic medium.
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Post by OldAussie on Apr 1, 2017 11:36:09 GMT
Doghouse said - To Catch A Thief is probably the lightest and fluffiest of Hitchcock's "wrong man" exercises: low on thrills and long on style. On that basis, I can understand any viewer perhaps not finding it to be among the most compelling of Hitch's work. But its wit, elegance and beauty, filtered through that emblematic Hitchcock style, go a long way with me. The most recent master from which the Blu-ray and HD broadcasts have been derived from VistaVision source elements yields images that are knock-your-eye-out stunning.
To Catch A Thief is my Hitchcock "comfort food". It's not nearly my favourite of his movies but it's the one I can watch any time regardless of mood and I know I'll enjoy it. It's also the only movie where I love Grace Kelly, who I usually can't stand even if she's easy on the eyes.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 1, 2017 12:09:38 GMT
joekiddlouischamaVery glad that I suggested elaboration. Thanks for the very interesting write-ups which will hopefully provide excellent seed for more discussions. I especially liked your comments on Psycho.
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Post by teleadm on Apr 1, 2017 12:19:19 GMT
Catch 22 and Black Narcissus comes ton mind
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 1, 2017 12:21:40 GMT
Doghouse6Re: Groundhog Day comment . Yes, sadly, original concepts and original anything seems to be out of style. On FG I saw a sad thread about Disney planning to film 19 of the classic animated films as live action. Have they lost their copies of Anderson, Grimm, Hugo and other classics to "adapt" and mutilate ? To Catch a Thief. Perhaps I am trying too hard to like it. I usually prefer style and wit over thrills, I like the actors, the setting, the story but somehow for me it's just, as they say, "meh". But this really belongs in the "esteemed movies I don't get" thread, eh ? (Bad Bat)
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 1, 2017 12:25:33 GMT
Catch 22 and Black Narcissus comes ton mind I have seen neither one but they are on the shelf awaiting a viewing. Elaboration and essays (mini or major) always welcomed and encouraged. 
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Post by wmcclain on Apr 1, 2017 12:40:48 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Apr 1, 2017 14:07:07 GMT
In the 1940s, people went to see this movie just because the color was so beautiful. I don't blame them.
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