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Post by NileQT87 on Mar 29, 2017 16:48:25 GMT
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Post by NileQT87 on Mar 29, 2017 19:45:54 GMT
David and Sarah are known to be still very good, real-life friends and were very cozy on and off-set during the show. They've been doing birthday tweets for a few years, though lately they've been interacting quite a bit on social media. The EW shoot seems to have also resulted in David being given Foodstirs and Sarah getting Chrome Girl (swapping the merch). You can also see them both interacting quite a bit with Seth and Charisma, too. David and Charisma also leaked a selfie from this shoot a while back. I loved seeing Alexis there (obviously came with the wife). I was happy to see him included. There was a tiny AtS reunion there! A lot of butthurt Spuffies at the moment because, once again, the actors show their preferences and EW clearly gave Sarah and David the main cover star status. It's also notable that David, Sarah and Alyson got the star billing in the seating arrangements during the interview. Noticeably, while Nick was there, he seems to have been extremely marginalized from the group, not even appearing in most of the video group shots. His shots all seem to be separate. It seems his assault, arrest and rehab record has impacted his interactions with the rest now. His interview for the 20th also got a lot of heat for the way he answered it.
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Post by romad on Mar 29, 2017 20:54:46 GMT
They look marvelous!
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 30, 2017 13:15:52 GMT
It's so awesome to see the gang back together. Loved seeing the mini-Angel reunion.
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Post by ag25 on Mar 30, 2017 22:27:34 GMT
Omg, I saw an article about this today, and it totally made my day! (I'm a day late, but that's ok, lol) I am so glad they are all acknowledging the 20th anniversary and they all look great! I'm sad Anthony wasn't there, but I understand he had a conflict...but they could have photoshopped him in, lol. Anyway, absolutely wonderful to see this. Thank you Nile for the pics, videos, and interviews.
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Post by romad on Mar 30, 2017 22:52:38 GMT
Yes, thank you NileQT87
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Mar 30, 2017 23:56:58 GMT
Thanks for these.
I’m just impressed they managed to get everyone in the same room together. And despite my first reaction being that it looked like they were all attending a funeral, I do think those are some really nice pictures of the cast (there’s some pictures where I didn’t even recognize Michelle Trachtenberg).
The relationships between actors I’m most happy to see have remained on good terms are SMG/DB, SMG/JM and DB/CC.
Something James Marsters said in that video up the top reminded me of when he talked about the title of the show Buffy the Vampire Slayer here in Australia one time (the relevant part starts at 1:58):
I think what he was saying was that you had to be a particular type of person to ‘get’ that title/the irony of it. I think it encapsulates all the genres BTVS spanned – the ‘Buffy’ being the lighter/breezier/more ‘comedic’ stuff, the ‘Vampire’ covering the horror elements of the show, and the ‘Slayer’ bit got across that there would be action aplenty - and if you liked all three of these together, then BtVS was the show for you.
While some people dismissed the show based on the title alone, I think what JM was getting at was that those who ‘got’ the title and appreciated it for what it was were real fans and he respected those who did.
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Post by NileQT87 on Apr 1, 2017 7:06:44 GMT
Ahh! Without the text graffiti! Be still my Bangel heart. This 20th anniversary was good to us. We needed a bone thrown to us, since the Dark Horse comics and often Joss sure hate on Angel, AtS and Bangel all. Frillyria is the only living one who Joss seems to like still, but he obviously doesn't give a fig about or 'get' the main character the way David Greenwalt and Tim Minear did. The best thing IDW had going was finally letting Angel and Connor be father and son. It was so beautiful. The fact that Joss called Angel "Romeo" shows how clueless he is about the character, given that Heartthrob went to great pains to point out how completely NOT Romeo Angel is, given that losing Buffy didn't kill him, not to mention he left because he used his head instead of his heart to prove he loved her more than himself in a complete reversal of that trope. He wasn't selfish enough to ruin her life to have her. He outright rejects that whole premise right from the start (beginning in 1x07) that he's going to let that ending happen to Buffy and gives her a million outs before he has to take charge of his own destiny (unlike everyone else on BtVS, he's not her subordinate, ultimately made his own decisions and seeked his own mission even when he was on BtVS and has a destiny of his own). He is literally the opposite of what Joss called him. Granted, these same idiotic comics actually had Willow come out with some claptrap about how Angel is no different in the present from how he was in, say, the 1920s. Really? Did these writers even watch both shows? Because he changed a helluva lot between being a rat-eating bum and becoming a champion of humanity, not to mention experiencing genuine love of both romance and family for the first time and was a father. He has one of the most complex characters and arcs and never gets credit for it. It makes me upset when Joss says things that are pointedly the opposite of what was actually in the shows, to the point where there are entire episodes of rebuttal! And actually, David was right when he said that Angel wasn't just broody--and I will go as far as to say that it's a bit myth in the fandom that he was that way around Buffy. He really wasn't! Angel smiles constantly with Buffy (David and Sarah's affection for each other is so clear to this day and the smiles they're constantly sharing in their scenes were genuine) and that was actually a problem! And I will never understand the myth that David's performance of Angel isn't expressive. I've seen people adamantly say that he never smiles or cries, yet I can give screen caps of him doing both... with Buffy, not to mention the rest of the 167 episodes he was in. And that's another complaint I have with this fandom. They're bitching about how David didn't deserve to be on two covers (they only think of him as a 2 1/2-season character, despite being in the MOST actual episodes in the franchise and in the most successful seasons), how it's only because he's still a successful T.V. star (and thus the fact that he was one of two actual main leads in the franchise means nothing) and are moaning about how all the wrong characters were featured (erm, the fact that Nick was Photoshopped into the main photo later and did all his interview bits separately kind of might tell you something). Have these people even watched any of the promotional materials from when the show was actually on? Because if they had, they'd quickly see how deeply focused on the Bangel storyline all the promotional materials were when the show was pulling in its biggest ratings and getting mainstream attention (including all the crossovers later--if David was coming over even for a scene, the promos treated it as a huge event). It's only after the shows were long over that the fandom rewrote the history of the franchise to act like he was a brief irrelevance whom nobody liked. The E! special made at the time, for example, will prove them very, very wrong. The WB renewed the show beyond season 1 in the first place with the request to have more Angel and Bangel beyond the mere 7 episodes (David thought 6) he was in during the first season. Joss was the reluctant party. How underwritten Angel was in the unaired pilot script (and then David's scene where he doesn't even interact with Buffy and stakes a vampire outside of the auditorium while riding a motorcycle wasn't even included!) compared to the actual season (with multiple early scripts rewritten to include scenes with him like NKaBotFD or scenes talking about him like The Pack--and all of his major episodes were written last) tells you a lot. Gail Berman fought Joss to even hire David Boreanaz (Joss readily admits he was basically outvoted by all the women in his office turning into "puddles") and David Greenwalt was in charge of writing him and his backstory after arguing to have any good vampires at all (and thus had to provide a reason why Angel was different). It's funny that David still remembers shooting the motorcycle bit from the unaired pilot (though what he describes is really different from the script version), which didn't even make the final cut (which was a half-hour cut-down of a full-episode length script). The WB really did the unaired pilot as cheap as possible and the whole thing really got retooled between recasting Willow/Flutie, coming up with something completely different for the vampire dusting effect and beefing up Angel's role in the whole narrative. Darla (minus being killed by holy water) and Giles' scenes (although the library scene was cut in half) are the ones that really remained the most intact. You also got to wonder if Angel's motorcycle got dumped due to the fact that David's only major acting job prior to BtVS was playing a motorcycle-riding boyfriend on Married... with Children (and getting beat up by Al Bundy). SMG's opinions (although her feelings are well known) are actually shared by both DB and JM, by the way. This interview just captured all three of them in the same room saying it. James says in that very special that he's on the same page with SMG. He never got over having to act out some of the things in season 6 (especially the AR) and has even blasted Marti Noxon being an actual attempted rapist who wrote her experience into what he had to act out. James is actually more of a Sprusilla fan! He also seemed relieved to be on AtS because it was a guy show (season 7 seemed to have some pretty nasty drama going on where SMG wasn't even invited to the BtVS wrap party--they literally waited for her to leave the set to start--because of quitting in an interview and Alyson particularly being upset about it--they seem to have made up since, but there used to be tension there and between SMG and several others) and was always praising DB's work ethic, asking him how he did it every week when Hellbound was too much screen time for him. It's interesting to note how that special made a point of pointing out that Spike's response to finally hearing Buffy loved him was a denial of it. Despite Joss' denials of the idea that Spike was right, SMG and JM completely turned the scene into something else by the way they played it. The actors sold their real feelings about their characters instead. Buffy loved Spike, but not the way he wanted. Similarly, Sarah has great affection for James, but she was incredibly close to David, loved his character and was 110% dedicated to wanting Buffy to have a happily ever after with Angel (she was very upset about the spinoff!). David's feelings aren't often brought up about 'ships and such, but he actually did state them and is still very much pro-Bangel, even if he gets a lot of shit about the fact that he wanted to talk in the present about Bones when he was doing panels (often with the Bones cast--Emily seems to have gotten annoyed by it) at conventions. He outright said he didn't understand Cangel. Tim Minear was on the same page with not liking Cangel and was the big Dangel(us) guy. And it seems Gail Berman was Angel's biggest fan (and is the reason why David was hired in the first place, because she fought Joss to hire him!). David Fury made waves by recently saying he came down on the underdog side of preferring Bangel. The fandom has been so used to thinking everyone is now a Spuffy because of the comics echo chamber that they've been getting smacked with all of these not-so-unknown revelations. Contrary to all the shit stories written about how David supposedly hates BtVS and reunions (he was talking about an actual revival of the show due to the time passage and his age just like the rest of the cast who are wary of it for the same reasons, not just something interviewy like this), this 20th anniversary has proven he is willing, probably helped by SMG's involvement. One thing you see him do in his interviews about the shows is he always tries to give AtS way more credit than people usually want to give it. He doesn't like his work on AtS being ignored. I'm glad he talked about Glenn Quinn. One of the more interesting things about that interview was how he said he was naive about Glenn's problems. David and Christian (who were already friends prior to AtS) are well known to have really liked him and David was a lot of the reason he stayed on as many as 9 episodes, despite it already being apparent he was going to have to be written off. David and Charisma were crying when they had to shoot You're Welcome because of Glenn's video and it was Christian's real-life friendship with Glenn being one of the reasons he was willing to use to the "Doyle" alias for Lindsey. Interestingly, Eliza Dushku just came out and admitted to being a drug addict from the age of 14 (she began playing Faith at 17 and had to be emancipated to work adult hours) to somewhere in her late 20s, to the point where her niece wasn't allowed around her. The fandom treats DB and SMG both kind of horribly because of the 'shipping crap. SMG's statement in the video that she receives death threats over it was actually kind of shocking (though I shouldn't be surprised given what I've seen the more unhinged fringe of the fandom say--funnily enough, they seem to hate half their 'ship, both character and actress). No wonder she's getting more vocal about restating her opinions and being even chummier on Twitter/Instagram with David, despite always having to preface it with comments about the bullying she gets over it, making sure James knows she still adores him and reminders to the wackjobs that the actors aren't the characters. Of course, the other segment getting a lot of comments is all the stories of DB's nakedness and choosing not to wear the infamous socks, which SMG and CC were clearly overly familiar with. LMAO. Buffy-Boards are having fun pulling up all the really old interviews with the juicy bits along those lines. www.buffy-boards.com/threads/bangel-in-the-buffy-reunion.69600Anyway... Despite Alexis not getting to speak (boo, though he seemed to be looking over and smiling at whatever David, Charisma, Sarah and Seth were joking about), I was over the moon about him being included, too. Loved him posing with the bookshelf. So very Wes! It felt like they were celebrating the whole franchise instead of only BtVS because of the AtS core being there. Wesley's actually my second favorite character and he was the least expected to be included, despite being Aly's significant other. Kristine Sutherland was also something of an unexpected surprise, though completely deserved it. Eliza Dushku wasn't invited, which is getting a lot of attention. I really wish she, Julie Benz and Juliet Landau had been there. That would have been my additional wishlist for a reunion. A Fanged Four reunion was needed! Tony Head was expected, given that he's in London doing a play.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Apr 1, 2017 22:28:05 GMT
Thanks for all this info. It's very informative.
And actually, David was right when he said that Angel wasn't just broody--and I will go as far as to say that it's a bit myth in the fandom that he was that way around Buffy. He really wasn't! Angel smiles constantly with Buffy (David and Sarah's affection for each other is so clear to this day and the smiles they're constantly sharing in their scenes were genuine) and that was actually a problem! And I will never understand the myth that David's performance of Angel isn't expressive. I've seen people adamantly say that he never smiles or cries, yet I can give screen caps of him doing both... with Buffy, not to mention the rest of the 167 episodes he was in.
I agree with that. I think it's easy to forget that Angel had his more 'lighthearted' moments in the early seasons of the show. They weren't as 'broad' as they were later on in his own show, though. What I mean by that is, in the early seasons of BtVS, Angel would seem 'broody' quite a lot of the time, but then he'd come out with a line or would do something that would be unexpectedly amusing - and it was all the more effective because of the fact that it was 'unexpected'. He definitely had 'happy' moments with Buffy, where he smiled and even joked. It's part of why I liked his character - as he *wasn't* serious 'all the time' - though I get that some perceived him that way.
Contrary to all the shit stories written about how David supposedly hates BtVS and reunions (he was talking about an actual revival of the show due to the time passage and his age just like the rest of the cast who are wary of it for the same reasons, not just something interviewy like this), this 20th anniversary has proven he is willing, probably helped by SMG's involvement.
Yeah, I never took what he said about not doing a BtVS revival as him being against the show or the actors involved, just that he realises how difficult it would be with multiple characters who were vampires and shouldn't have aged - but the actors playing them obviously had. He's just being practical. Also, a lot of shows are getting revivals these days, and as much as I enjoyed the show (at least for its first three seasons), sometimes things are just better off left alone. I was satisfied enough with both the BtVS and AtS conclusions. Yes, there's things I'd have liked to have seen more of, but I'd rather they just left both shows alone.
I also liked that SMG and DB have friendship between them where they can encourage each other to do things they might not have done otherwise and that they've remained close all this time.
One thing you see him do in his interviews about the shows is he always tries to give AtS way more credit than people usually want to give it. He doesn't like his work on AtS being ignored. I'm glad he talked about Glenn Quinn. One of the more interesting things about that interview was how he said he was naive about Glenn's problems. David and Christian (who were already friends prior to AtS) are well known to have really liked him and David was a lot of the reason he stayed on as many as 9 episodes, despite it already being apparent he was going to have to be written off. David and Charisma were crying when they had to shoot You're Welcome because of Glenn's video and it was Christian's real-life friendship with Glenn being one of the reasons he was willing to use to the "Doyle" alias for Lindsey in that episode.
I appreciate that about DB - that he won't let AtS as a show or his work on it be forgotten. I never got into Bones, so Angel will forever remain the character I know him for and BtVS/AtS the shows I'll forever remember him for. I'm glad he addresses Glenn Quinn in interviews (and as previously mentioned, I really appreciated him and Christian Kane mentioning Glenn/Doyle in the 'Soul Purpose' commentary). I hadn't known that DB was the reason GQ got to stay on as long as he did (I don't really know much about all the backstage goings on regarding either show, and it's from reading threads here and back on IMDB's BtVS board that I learned info about the show/actors that I never knew). That moment with Angel and Cordy in 'You're Welcome' definitely felt genuine - and no wonder.
Interestingly, Eliza Dushku just came out and admitted to being a drug addict from the age of 14 (she began playing Faith at 17 and had to be emancipated to work adult hours) to somewhere in her late 20s, to the point where her niece wasn't allowed around her.
I'd just happened to read an excerpt from this^ interview in a magazine recently. I think it said that her being told she wasn't allowed around her niece was what finally got her to seek help. I do appreciate her honesty.
The fandom treats DB and SMG both kind of horribly because of the 'shipping crap. SMG's statement in the video that she receives death threats over it was actually kind of shocking (though I shouldn't be surprised given what I've seen the more unhinged fringe of the fandom say--funnily enough, they seem to hate half their 'ship, both character and actress). No wonder she's getting more vocal about restating her opinions and being even chummier on Twitter/Instagram with David, despite always having to preface it with comments about the bullying she gets over it, making sure James knows she still adores him and reminders to the wackjobs that the actors aren't the characters.
It always baffled me - the hate that the character of Buffy got and how some people let their hate of her carry over to the actress who portrayed her (actually, I see this a *lot* with female characters in shows and the actresses who play them). Honestly, it seems like being a strong female character on TV these days would be a rather thankless role in a lot of ways, as you've got people hating them for being 'strong', for having 'flaws', for not being 'flawed enough/too perfect', for not showing enough emotions, for being 'too emotional', for 'nagging', being 'uptight', and if they say anything remotely negative to a beloved male character - then they're condemned immediately, but at the same time if they don't say anything, they're perceived as 'weak' for not standing up for themselves. It's really a lose/lose situation, it seems to me.
Meanwhile, male characters in shows do all manner of horrible things, yet fans nevertheless continue to adore them. I'm just glad BtVS arrived on TV when it did, as I kind of dread how it would've been perceived (as well as Buffy as a character/SMG's portrayal of her) nowadays. No matter what was said about SMG, I was always on her side and felt for her regarding all the crap she had to put up with. What I love most is how she's remained strong, as has her friendships with DB and JM.
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Post by juicebox07 on Apr 1, 2017 22:54:17 GMT
I've been loving all these photos! The cast still looks amazing. Emma with that bunny is just too darn cute! Sarah and David still have so much chemistry together. I'd say out of everybody, Charisma still looks the hottest. You can hardly tell she's in her late 40's.
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