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Post by heeeeey on Dec 6, 2018 20:04:46 GMT
What created nature? The soul leaving the body at death is as natural as a butterfly shedding its cocoon. What is this 'soul' and where does it go? It is a body that is of a lesser density than the flesh body, and it leaves the five senses into more expansiveness. Existence doesn't stop at four dimensions. |
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Post by goz on Dec 6, 2018 20:12:41 GMT
There is no evidence of it. If we know how cognition/awareness works in the brain, and we do, as you admitted upon reading the article I posted, how can that cognition/awareness continue when the brain/host dies, and brain function ceases? You may 'know' how awareness works in the brain, but not outside of it.
People who say they have experienced awareness outside of their body either via meditation or some kind of spiritual experience say they just felt their awareness expanded beyond their five senses. They became more aware. The spirit body or soul body is of a lesser density than the material body.
Hang on! The brain is REQUIRED for awareness hence there CANNOT be awareness outside it. |
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Post by general313 on Dec 6, 2018 20:13:42 GMT
What is this 'soul' and where does it go? It is a body that is of a lesser density than the flesh body, and it leaves the five senses into more expansiveness. Existence doesn't stop at four dimensions. In fact its density is so conveniently low that it is undetectable by any scientific instruments! |
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Post by goz on Dec 6, 2018 20:18:53 GMT
What is this 'soul' and where does it go? , and it leaves the five senses into more expansiveness. Existence doesn't stop at four dimensions. What? Evidence? Suddenly you are inventing a new body?  five senses? four dimensions? Heeeey even for you this is mumbo jumbo! Existence stops at death, because it has to. There is no functioning brain or body for it to 'inhabit'. It is mere wishful thinking because no-one wants to die, however we all will, and the good part is we won't know about it! We will just cease to exist. |
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Post by goz on Dec 6, 2018 20:23:27 GMT
It is a body that is of a lesser density than the flesh body, and it leaves the five senses into more expansiveness. Existence doesn't stop at four dimensions. In fact its density is so conveniently low that it is undetectable by any scientific instruments! ...apparently that is what monks are for...….or something! |
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 6, 2018 20:47:39 GMT
You may 'know' how awareness works in the brain, but not outside of it.
People who say they have experienced awareness outside of their body either via meditation or some kind of spiritual experience say they just felt their awareness expanded beyond their five senses. They became more aware. The spirit body or soul body is of a lesser density than the material body.
Hang on! The brain is REQUIRED for awareness hence there CANNOT be awareness outside it. That's where you and all the other twits (including the one with the bird avatar) have always gotten it wrong. Awareness does NOT NEED THE BRAIN. It is SEPARATE from the brain. It is USING the brain. That's why your scientists 'see things' happening in the brain.
Plenty of spiritual, and even non-spiritual people, have said they most certainly have experienced awareness outside of their body. Who the hell are you or anyone else to tell them they didn't? I don't care if your scientists can take out their little tools and machines and see affects on the brain. They stupidly think consciousness and awareness are coming from inside the brain, which is as stupid as a primitive tribe thinking the music is coming from a little orchestra in the radio. It's not. The radio picks up frequencies, as is the function of the brain.
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Post by goz on Dec 6, 2018 21:07:54 GMT
Hang on! The brain is REQUIRED for awareness hence there CANNOT be awareness outside it. That's where you and all the other twits (including the one with the bird avatar) have always gotten it wrong. Awareness does NOT NEED THE BRAIN. It is SEPARATE from the brain. It is USING the brain. That's why your scientists 'see things' happening in the brain.
Plenty of spiritual, and even non-spiritual people, have said they most certainly have experienced awareness outside of their body. Who the hell are you or anyone else to tell them they didn't? I don't care if your scientists can take out their little tools and machines and see affects on the brain. They stupidly think consciousness and awareness are coming from inside the brain, which is as stupid as a primitive tribe thinking the music is coming from a little orchestra in the radio. It's not. The radio picks up frequencies, as is the function of the brain.
Ah!!! NO. ANY evidence of this? BTW you previously agreed that the article I posted was correct on the function of the electrics and chemistry of the brain. Changed your mind? You are confusing the fact that people have these experiences as a function of their brains, not that they didn't happen. NDE's and out of body experiences definitely happen. They are just able to be understood in terms of brain electrics and chemistry. |
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 6, 2018 21:34:42 GMT
That's where you and all the other twits (including the one with the bird avatar) have always gotten it wrong. Awareness does NOT NEED THE BRAIN. It is SEPARATE from the brain. It is USING the brain. That's why your scientists 'see things' happening in the brain.
Plenty of spiritual, and even non-spiritual people, have said they most certainly have experienced awareness outside of their body. Who the hell are you or anyone else to tell them they didn't? I don't care if your scientists can take out their little tools and machines and see affects on the brain. They stupidly think consciousness and awareness are coming from inside the brain, which is as stupid as a primitive tribe thinking the music is coming from a little orchestra in the radio. It's not. The radio picks up frequencies, as is the function of the brain.
Ah!!! NO. ANY evidence of this? BTW you previously agreed that the article I posted was correct on the function of the electrics and chemistry of the brain. Changed your mind? You are confusing the fact that people have these experiences as a function of their brains, not that they didn't happen. NDE's and out of body experiences definitely happen. They are just able to be understood in terms of brain electrics and chemistry. The difficulty you're having is that you can't understand anything beyond the physical. OF COURSE there is electricity and chemistry in the brain. I have never denied it. It would be stupid to say otherwise.
I'm not refuting any of the obvious chemicals found in the brain. I'm saying AWARENESS is NOT a product of the brain and its chemistry. It affects the brain and chemicals that your scientists are so pleased with themselves at being able to see and explain.
They have not, and CANNOT prove awareness is limited to the brain though.
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Post by goz on Dec 6, 2018 21:42:20 GMT
Ah!!! NO. ANY evidence of this? BTW you previously agreed that the article I posted was correct on the function of the electrics and chemistry of the brain. Changed your mind? You are confusing the fact that people have these experiences as a function of their brains, not that they didn't happen. NDE's and out of body experiences definitely happen. They are just able to be understood in terms of brain electrics and chemistry. The difficulty you're having is that you can't understand anything beyond the physical. OF COURSE there is electricity and chemistry in the brain. I have never denied it. It would be stupid to say otherwise.
I'm not refuting any of the obvious chemicals found in the brain. I'm saying AWARENESS is NOT a product of the brain and its chemistry. It affects the brain and chemicals that your scientists are so pleased with themselves at being able to see and explain.
They have not, and CANNOT prove awareness is limited to the brain though.
Yes, they have. Awareness is limited to and a function of the brain. End of story. Please give evidence of how you can have awareness without a brain. You have it back to front. You need a brain before your can have awareness NOT the other way around. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 21:51:46 GMT
What is this 'soul' and where does it go? It is a body that is of a lesser density than the flesh body, and it leaves the five senses into more expansiveness. Existence doesn't stop at four dimensions. You have a habit of stating unsupported ideas as if they were facts rather than opinions you like. I hope you realise that this makes you look irrational and kind of stupid. |
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 6, 2018 21:59:23 GMT
The difficulty you're having is that you can't understand anything beyond the physical. OF COURSE there is electricity and chemistry in the brain. I have never denied it. It would be stupid to say otherwise.
I'm not refuting any of the obvious chemicals found in the brain. I'm saying AWARENESS is NOT a product of the brain and its chemistry. It affects the brain and chemicals that your scientists are so pleased with themselves at being able to see and explain.
They have not, and CANNOT prove awareness is limited to the brain though.
Yes, they have. Awareness is limited to and a function of the brain. End of story. Please give evidence of how you can have awareness without a brain. You have it back to front. You need a brain before your can have awareness NOT the other way around. That is NOT 'end of story'. That's the end of what they can understand.
The soul/awareness doesn't need the brain.
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Post by drystyx on Dec 6, 2018 22:14:56 GMT
The difficulty you're having is that you can't understand anything beyond the physical. OF COURSE there is electricity and chemistry in the brain. I have never denied it. It would be stupid to say otherwise.
I'm not refuting any of the obvious chemicals found in the brain. I'm saying AWARENESS is NOT a product of the brain and its chemistry. It affects the brain and chemicals that your scientists are so pleased with themselves at being able to see and explain.
They have not, and CANNOT prove awareness is limited to the brain though.
Yes, they have. Awareness is limited to and a function of the brain. End of story. Please give evidence of how you can have awareness without a brain. You have it back to front. You need a brain before your can have awareness NOT the other way around. You speak of different terms, and then try to flip flop them around. I've seen too many definitions of 1. self awareness 2. awareness 3. cognition 4. soul 5. spirit. You and the other "dreamers living in your world you think you can control magically by votes" want to flip flop "soul" and "spirit" with material terms, and that's what is illogical. Because Science has proven the "meter reader" of your body, that which we commonly call the "soul", but which theologians refer to as "spirit", has actually been proven by Science to not be material, and sometimes you even cite the proof and claim it proves otherwise. Your conclusions are fallacious and delusional. You completely void Mathematics, logic, and Math to come to your "wish list ideal" world. Others like to see things more objectively than you do. Yet you, Graham, and especially the complete moron calling himself Faustus just keep throwing temper tantrums and whine when you see proof. I've posted it so many times that I'm now 100% positive you three and your mob of denial lovers just put your heads up your tails and say "la, la, la, I won't believe it, cause I don't like it". I was always taught that "cognition" is the proper term for the "meter reader" that experiences what the brain says. THE HUMAN BRAIN (Rita Carter), the most authoritative book, clearly states that there is never just one part of the brain being utilized for any process, and there are always more than one in use simultaneously. So, unless you completely fail at Math and Logic, you can only deduce that the brain is not the "meter reader". It's the "meter". The neurons are not the "meter reader" either, for the same reason. You can keep throwing your tantrums and be trolls, and guffaw like Beavis and Butthead and be like first graders in the classroom when the teacher is out, and you can even vote among yourselves that you aren't uneducated red necks, but you continue to prove you are, and you simply throw tantrums when entered into a conversation with mature and educated adults. No offense. |
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Post by goz on Dec 6, 2018 22:37:50 GMT
Yes, they have. Awareness is limited to and a function of the brain. End of story. Please give evidence of how you can have awareness without a brain. You have it back to front. You need a brain before your can have awareness NOT the other way around. That is NOT 'end of story'. That's the end of what they can understand.
The soul/awareness doesn't need the brain.
Any evidence? Who is 'they'? How can thoughts, feelings, awareness, consciousness etc exist without a brain, where they are formulated? What is it? Where is it?...if not in the brain? I repeat... you NEED a brain to have consciousness etc. |
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Post by goz on Dec 6, 2018 22:41:21 GMT
Yes, they have. Awareness is limited to and a function of the brain. End of story. Please give evidence of how you can have awareness without a brain. You have it back to front. You need a brain before your can have awareness NOT the other way around. You speak of different terms, and then try to flip flop them around. I've seen too many definitions of 1. self awareness 2. awareness 3. cognition 4. soul 5. spirit. You and the other "dreamers living in your world you think you can control magically by votes" want to flip flop "soul" and "spirit" with material terms, and that's what is illogical. Because Science has proven the "meter reader" of your body, that which we commonly call the "soul", but which theologians refer to as "spirit", has actually been proven by Science to not be material, and sometimes you even cite the proof and claim it proves otherwise. Your conclusions are fallacious and delusional. You completely void Mathematics, logic, and Math to come to your "wish list ideal" world. Others like to see things more objectively than you do. Yet you, Graham, and especially the complete moron calling himself Faustus just keep throwing temper tantrums and whine when you see proof. I've posted it so many times that I'm now 100% positive you three and your mob of denial lovers just put your heads up your tails and say "la, la, la, I won't believe it, cause I don't like it". I was always taught that "cognition" is the proper term for the "meter reader" that experiences what the brain says. THE HUMAN BRAIN (Rita Carter), the most authoritative book, clearly states that there is never just one part of the brain being utilized for any process, and there are always more than one in use simultaneously. So, unless you completely fail at Math and Logic, you can only deduce that the brain is not the "meter reader". It's the "meter". The neurons are not the "meter reader" either, for the same reason. You can keep throwing your tantrums and be trolls, and guffaw like Beavis and Butthead and be like first graders in the classroom when the teacher is out, and you can even vote among yourselves that you aren't uneducated red necks, but you continue to prove you are, and you simply throw tantrums when entered into a conversation with mature and educated adults. No offense. Whatever you want to call it, it is due to brain functions. |
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 6, 2018 23:59:51 GMT
That is NOT 'end of story'. That's the end of what they can understand.
The soul/awareness doesn't need the brain.
Any evidence? Who is 'they'? How can thoughts, feelings, awareness, consciousness etc exist without a brain, where they are formulated? What is it? Where is it?...if not in the brain? I repeat... you NEED a brain to have consciousness etc. 'They' meaning your scientists. I thought that was clear.
Thoughts are in the mind. Let me use the analogy of a computer program. The mind is like the software. Most people don't control their thoughts. Their minds are always thinking. The thoughts create the feelings. A thought can make you feel a certain emotion. But you could have control of your thoughts. That's what meditation does also. It give the person control over the mind and thoughts.
If it was all the work of the brain, no one would be able to control their thoughts or choose which thoughts to think.
Now, awareness is something different. You can be aware without thoughts or emotions. Awareness is not the mind or body. It's the soul.
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Post by goz on Dec 7, 2018 0:04:06 GMT
Any evidence? Who is 'they'? How can thoughts, feelings, awareness, consciousness etc exist without a brain, where they are formulated? What is it? Where is it?...if not in the brain? I repeat... you NEED a brain to have consciousness etc. 'They' meaning your scientists. I thought that was clear.
Thoughts are in the mind. Let me use the analogy of a computer program. The mind is like the software. Most people don't control their thoughts. Their minds are always thinking. The thoughts create the feelings. A thought can make you feel a certain emotion. But you could have control of your thoughts. That's what meditation does also. It give the person control over the mind and thoughts.
If it was all the work of the brain, no one would be able to control their thoughts or choose which thoughts to think.
Now, awareness is something different. You can be aware without thoughts or emotions. Awareness is not the mind or body. It's the soul.
So, no evidence? ...just Heeeey opinion and general waffle? It all originates in the functioning of the brain. 'My' scientists know that! |
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 7, 2018 15:06:50 GMT
'They' meaning your scientists. I thought that was clear.
Thoughts are in the mind. Let me use the analogy of a computer program. The mind is like the software. Most people don't control their thoughts. Their minds are always thinking. The thoughts create the feelings. A thought can make you feel a certain emotion. But you could have control of your thoughts. That's what meditation does also. It give the person control over the mind and thoughts.
If it was all the work of the brain, no one would be able to control their thoughts or choose which thoughts to think.
Now, awareness is something different. You can be aware without thoughts or emotions. Awareness is not the mind or body. It's the soul.
So, no evidence? ...just Heeeey opinion and general waffle? It all originates in the functioning of the brain. 'My' scientists know that! Read my new topic that I'm posting. |
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