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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 0:36:19 GMT
Didn't all the top Cy Young finalists miss the playoffs this year in the NL?
this goes back to my theory an 'Ace' isn't needed anymore
but I guess this how you define 'ace' - to me an 'ace' is the 'ace' of your staff.
hell - look at the mutts, phigtens, gnats - they all missed the playoffs with their aces
long story short folks - this contract is ridiculous - not so much the money but years and he's 29
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 6, 2018 0:42:50 GMT
To put this in NFL terms, Peyton Manning got the “win” in that Broncos Super Bowl. Tom Brady got the “loss” in Super Bowl LII. Who had the better game? DC-Fan, no one’s asking you. The guy who had the better game is the guy who won the game, always and forever. The point is, the Broncos didn’t win because of Manning, and the Patriots didn’t lose because of Brady. In team sports there are other factors. DeGrom is a prime example for reasons explained by others. Again, not asking you DC-Fan. |
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Post by fjenkins on Dec 6, 2018 16:36:23 GMT
all about the whip! who cares if he wins any games!  Wins, as a pitching stat, is overrated. I don't fallow Brian Kenny, who thinks it should be abolished, but it's not the best indicator. Wins are highly dependent on the team you pitch for. Take a hypothetical pitcher. This pitcher throws the exact same pitches to the exact same lineup. One day he does it for Baltimore (sorry nut), one day he does it for Boston. Where does he stand a better chance to pick up the "W"? Many factors determine a pitchers value. Does he pitch in Coors or Dodgers Stadium? Does he have a team of Gold Glovers behind him or a team of invalids? Luck of the draw, does he get more starts against top team? Does he get more starts against #1 starters or #5 starters? As far as a stat, WHIP, walks and hits for Innings pitched, is as good as anything. It finally treats walks as a negative thing for a pitcher. I wouldn't have given Corbin six years, just five. He 29 and been pretty durable since the TJ surgery. He slots in nicely as a #2 or #3 starter. Nats have to do something. The see the Braves getting stronger, the Phils with a Phistfull of cash and the Mets making noise. They have to do something. Guess thats the end of the Bryce Harper era in DC He's had a good ERA once (this past year) and good WHIP twice. His overall stats are below average. I want to see what people say about him when he throws up a 4.00 ERA this year. |
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Post by fjenkins on Dec 6, 2018 16:37:42 GMT
Wins, as a pitching stat, is overrated. I don't fallow Brian Kenny, who thinks it should be abolished, but it's not the best indicator. Wins are highly dependent on the team you pitch for. Take a hypothetical pitcher. This pitcher throws the exact same pitches to the exact same lineup. One day he does it for Baltimore (sorry nut), one day he does it for Boston. Where does he stand a better chance to pick up the "W"? Many factors determine a pitchers value. Does he pitch in Coors or Dodgers Stadium? Does he have a team of Gold Glovers behind him or a team of invalids? Luck of the draw, does he get more starts against top team? Does he get more starts against #1 starters or #5 starters? As far as a stat, WHIP, walks and hits for Innings pitched, is as good as anything. It finally treats walks as a negative thing for a pitcher. I wouldn't have given Corbin six years, just five. He 29 and been pretty durable since the TJ surgery. He slots in nicely as a #2 or #3 starter. Nats have to do something. The see the Braves getting stronger, the Phils with a Phistfull of cash and the Mets making noise. They have to do something. Guess thats the end of the Bryce Harper era in DC if you had to choose b/t a guy who was 19-9 or a guy with a 1.11 whip who would you go with? i agree no single stat, or single variable should be regarded as being the complete indicator, but b/c a win is a result of so many other factors that's why i think it's the most valuable. I'd choose the guy who's done it for more than one season, rather than the guy who threw up 5 average or below average seasons and 1 good season (no great seasons). |
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Post by fjenkins on Dec 6, 2018 16:39:15 GMT
favor I need a baseball guru to break down WHIP to me extra points to break down Quarterback QBR too.... you can whip out flashcards too.... Walks + Hits per Inning Pitched. Generally speaking, it's how many baserunners you allow on a per-inning basis. WHIPI believe WHIP is the greatest stat from the sabermetrics era and that said, Corbin has had 2 good WHIP seasons. His career WHIP is 1.285, which ain't that good. |
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Dec 8, 2018 3:14:26 GMT
Take Dave Stewart then. Journeyman until he got to Oakland. Then four straight 20 win season, 1987 - 1990. Why? He went to a team with a pitcher's park, dominant bullpen and the Bash Brothers offense. 20 wins seasons, WHIP in the 1.25 - 1.27 range. Decent, not Earth shattering. Was he the dominant pitcher of the era, no. Zero Cy Youngs. Sometimes, someone outdid him, Clemens in '87. Did he deserve the trophy, no. And if you go by WAR (I'm torn), he was never close. Long way around to say the 1.277 WHIP was more indicative of Stew's pitching than the 21 wins. About WAR. It was just meant to judge stats in a historical sense. A hypothetical batting line of .303, 20 HR's 79 RBI's. Is it the same if the line was in 1930, when my Aunt Maire could have hit .320 with 35 HR's, or 1968, where on player hit .300? No. Factors were different, baseballs, dilution of talent, bandbox parks etc. I don't think it works as well comparing players in the same year. But you look at guys who put up monster singe season stats. Ruth in 1923, Bonds in 2001, Mantle in 1956, Hey thay had huge WAR's! and it's top heave to starting pitchers. Yeah, the starter is more key than any of the other eight, but it gets silly. Dave Stewart wasn't the most dominant pitcher of his era, but there was no one else I would choose to pitch a big game for me. He beat Clemens EVERY SINGLE IMPORTANT GAME he pitched against the guy. WHIP, WAR, FLIP, FLOP, who cares? I'll take the guy with 19 wins any day of the week. All stats can be misleading, but most guys that hit the 19 win plateau must be doing SOMETHING right. Storm Davis baby! |
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