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Post by scabab on Dec 6, 2018 15:46:43 GMT
Hogarth not good enough and that isn't in the MCinematicU. She's an MCU character isn't she? Why does there need to be a gay character in the movies specifically? They're just superhero movies, nothing changes from having one. There's no gay characters in the Harry Potter movies, Star Wars movies, Lord of the Rings movies, Transformers movies, Fast and the Furious movies etc. They've been phasing these love interests out anyway because nobody cares about that part of the series anymore. If it's just going to be done out of political correctness then what's the point?
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Post by charzhino on Dec 6, 2018 16:10:54 GMT
She's an MCU character isn't she? MCU is cinema only. They haven't been phasing it out. IW had important love arc between Vision and Wanda which is the reason why the battle of Wakanda happened. Gay characters need to be represented in major franchises like the MCU which has a myriad of heros. If they pull it off naturally, like they did in Deadpool 2, then it would be fine since no one complained about PC-ness in that.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 6, 2018 16:14:59 GMT
He asked where the gay Avengers were. There are none just as there are no gay people in the Justice League or X-Men. Otherwise there are gay MCU characters like Hogarth. Hogarth not good enough and that isn't in the MCinematicU. In Season one of Jessica Jones Hogarth is in a committed, gay relationship and her spouse is murdered. In Season 2 she is a participant in a gay love triangle... Not good enough? Would hardcore, gay sex work better for you?
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Post by charzhino on Dec 6, 2018 16:16:19 GMT
Hogarth not good enough and that isn't in the MCinematicU. In Season one of Jessica Jones Hogarth is in a committed, gay relationship and her spouse is murdered. In Season 2 she is a participant in a gay love triangle... Not good enough? Would hardcore, gay sex work better for you? I meant as in its not cinematic (MCU), its on TV and there is a sizeable difference in audience numbers that know and watch it compared to the movies
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 6, 2018 16:23:05 GMT
Why is there no inclusion in MCU? Its a bit homophobic to have no gay cannon characters in the Avengers in the year 2018. Why is it important that the MCU have a "gay" character to be considered inclusive? What about the rest of the LGBTQ+ community? Don't they deserve to be a part of this poorly-formulated argument?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 6, 2018 16:35:50 GMT
Absolutely. A Transgender character in a lead role is definitely needed. Lesbian, Queer and Bisexual as well.
We got a Pansexual lead with Deadpool, so that's a good start.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 6, 2018 16:39:25 GMT
In Season one of Jessica Jones Hogarth is in a committed, gay relationship and her spouse is murdered. In Season 2 she is a participant in a gay love triangle... Not good enough? Would hardcore, gay sex work better for you? I meant as in its not cinematic (MCU), its on TV and there is a sizeable difference in audience numbers that know and watch it compared to the movies I see. Your statement, as written and quoted, implied that somehow Jessica Jone's portrayal of Hogarth's as a lesbian character was "not good enough" to be considered a proper lesbian relationship as well as it not being in the MCU. The statement contains two disqualifiers which you now say are one. I'm glad we cleared that up. That said, there aren't any other major superhero franchises making significant headway in this area either. The Flash has not been identified as bisexual nor has he been seen to participate in a gay relationship. The worse thing the DCEU could do is pay lip service to his bisexuality in exposition and then have him run around smooching Iris for the entirety of his film. If the DECU Flash is indeed bisexual, I think we'll need flashbacks to prior committed relationships to help make that apparent. I welcome a truly bisexual Flash to the DCEU fold. What say you?
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Post by charzhino on Dec 6, 2018 17:00:00 GMT
I meant as in its not cinematic (MCU), its on TV and there is a sizeable difference in audience numbers that know and watch it compared to the movies I see. Your statement, as written and quoted, implied that somehow Jessica Jone's portrayal of Hogarth's as a lesbian character was "not good enough" to be considered a proper lesbian relationship as well as it not being in the MCU. The statement contains two disqualifiers which you now say are one. I'm glad we cleared that up. That said, there aren't any other major superhero franchises making significant headway in this area either. The Flash has not been identified as bisexual nor has he been seen to participate in a gay relationship. The worse thing the DCEU could do is pay lip service to his bisexuality in exposition and then have him run around smooching Iris for the entirety of his film. If the DECU Flash is indeed bisexual, I think we'll need flashbacks to prior committed relationships to help make that apparent. I welcome a truly bisexual Flash to the DCEU fold. What say you? Yes my wording was not accurate, shouldn't have put ''and''.
Considering Ezra Miller is at least bi in real life, then a bisexual on screen Flash would be a natural fit without the anti-SJW crowd getting their pitchforks out too hastily.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 6, 2018 17:09:26 GMT
I see. Your statement, as written and quoted, implied that somehow Jessica Jone's portrayal of Hogarth's as a lesbian character was "not good enough" to be considered a proper lesbian relationship as well as it not being in the MCU. The statement contains two disqualifiers which you now say are one. I'm glad we cleared that up. That said, there aren't any other major superhero franchises making significant headway in this area either. The Flash has not been identified as bisexual nor has he been seen to participate in a gay relationship. The worse thing the DCEU could do is pay lip service to his bisexuality in exposition and then have him run around smooching Iris for the entirety of his film. If the DECU Flash is indeed bisexual, I think we'll need flashbacks to prior committed relationships to help make that apparent. I welcome a truly bisexual Flash to the DCEU fold. What say you? Yes my wording was not accurate, shouldn't have put ''and''.
Considering Ezra Miller is at least bi in real life, then a bisexual on screen Flash would be a natural fit without the anti-SJW crowd getting their pitchforks out too hastily.
Oh, make no mistake, Mr. Backlash is going to pay the Flash and the DCEU a visit. In case you didn't know, Barry Allen is not traditionally portrayed as a bisexual man in the comic books. This alteration, if it occurs, will test the boundaries of canonical changes in CBMs far more strenuously than gender swapping or race bending ever could.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 6, 2018 17:17:28 GMT
Same as the gay Justice League members.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 6, 2018 17:52:50 GMT
Gay characters need to be represented in major franchises like the MCU which has a myriad of heros. Correction: It would be great if they were represented, it's preferred that they're represented, we want them to be represented, but they don't need to be represented in every single major film franchise.
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Post by scabab on Dec 6, 2018 20:24:38 GMT
They haven't been phasing it out. IW had important love arc between Vision and Wanda which is the reason why the battle of Wakanda happened. They got rid of Bruce Banners and Black Widows relationship. They got rid of Thor's love interest. Captain America's was toned down. Spider-Man didn't have much of one. It wasn't a focal part of Doctor Strange or Black Panther. Why? It's just a movie. There's no Asians in The Avengers. There's no Middle Easterns, no French, no Midgets, no Fat people, none with Physical deformities, none with Mental problems. Its just a make believe superhero team. Nobody needs to be represented. They just need to add The Avengers from the comics that people want as they were in the comics. That's all people are interested in. Thor, Captain America, Black Panther, Spider-man, Falcon etc, they weren't gay to begin with.
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Post by kratos on Dec 6, 2018 20:29:24 GMT
No thanks, I don't go to see superhero movies because of who might be gay in them. I go to be entertained by the action and humour.
It'd be nothing but a PC move anyway which would only alienate people when it turns out they made a straight character gay just for the sake of it.
A transgender superhero? Is that a joke? Keep that nonsense on the millenials TV shows like Supergirl. I don't want to see a man with a wig fighting crime.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 6, 2018 20:33:41 GMT
No thanks, I don't go to see superhero movies because of who might be gay in them. I go to be entertained by the action and humour. It'd be nothing but a PC move anyway which would only alienate people when it turns out they made a straight character gay just for the sake of it. A transgender superhero? Is that a joke? Keep that nonsense on the millenials TV shows like Supergirl. I don't want to see a man with a wig fighting crime. Kratos, while we respect your right to express your opinions, please be advised that one of our own moderators is a proud member of the LGBTQ+ community. Whether you and I like it or not, a transgender superhero may one day become a reality.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 20:33:45 GMT
The jury's out on Banner after rejecting Natasha in Age of Ultron.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 6, 2018 20:35:32 GMT
No thanks, I don't go to see superhero movies because of who might be gay in them. I go to be entertained by the action and humour. It'd be nothing but a PC move anyway which would only alienate people when it turns out they made a straight character gay just for the sake of it. A transgender superhero? Is that a joke? Keep that nonsense on the millenials TV shows like Supergirl. I don't want to see a man with a wig fighting crime. And, you have already seen many male actors wear wigs while fighting crime. Wigs are a common tool of the hair and makeup departments of movies of all genres, languages and budgets.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 6, 2018 20:35:56 GMT
The jury's out on Banner after rejecting Natasha in Age of Ultron. Way out.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 6, 2018 21:55:03 GMT
They haven't been phasing it out. IW had important love arc between Vision and Wanda which is the reason why the battle of Wakanda happened. They got rid of Bruce Banners and Black Widows relationship. They got rid of Thor's love interest. Captain America's was toned down. Spider-Man didn't have much of one. It wasn't a focal part of Doctor Strange or Black Panther. Bingo. The MCU has been toning down their romantic angles for some time now. Most of the time they're not even included in the movies anymore, and the times that they are they're only mentioned in passing.
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Post by kratos on Dec 6, 2018 22:02:53 GMT
No thanks, I don't go to see superhero movies because of who might be gay in them. I go to be entertained by the action and humour. It'd be nothing but a PC move anyway which would only alienate people when it turns out they made a straight character gay just for the sake of it. A transgender superhero? Is that a joke? Keep that nonsense on the millenials TV shows like Supergirl. I don't want to see a man with a wig fighting crime. Kratos, while we respect your right to express your opinions, please be advised that one of our own moderators is a proud member of the LGBTQ+ community. Whether you and I like it or not, a transgender superhero may one day become a reality. Sorry about that. A transgender superhero seems really silly to me though. I don't think people would be able to take it seriously. A man pretending to be a woman being a superhero and fighting in battles to save the world....that's never gonna work. Bruce Jenner as a superhero basically. It'd be so distracting too.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Dec 7, 2018 4:27:39 GMT
Gay characters need to be represented in major franchises like the MCU which has a myriad of heros. Lol you don’t give a flying fuck about the MCU or any other major franchise having gay characters or not, this is just another excuse to criticize the MCU. Nice job replacing DC-Fan while he’s away.
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