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Post by cwsims on Dec 9, 2018 15:13:59 GMT
but neither is Lethal Weapon or Gremlins
all three have Christmas settings but neither are Christmas movies
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Post by Vodkie on Dec 9, 2018 15:15:02 GMT
same with Toy Story 1
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Post by jamesbamesy on Dec 9, 2018 15:37:18 GMT
If it’s set on Christmas, it’s a Christmas movie.
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Post by shannondegroot on Dec 9, 2018 15:38:48 GMT
What makes a movie a Christmas movie?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 16:21:31 GMT
but neither is Lethal Weapon or Gremlins all three have Christmas settings but neither are Christmas movies Sure they are. I'm putting all three on my christmas movie list, so that settles it. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 9, 2018 17:02:40 GMT
If I say it's a Christmas movie, for me it's a Christmas movie.
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Post by Catman 猫的主人 on Dec 9, 2018 17:04:42 GMT
More importantly, the piano piece 'Linus and Lucy' is not a Christmas song!
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Post by ant-mac on Dec 9, 2018 19:20:29 GMT
If it’s set on Christmas, it’s a Christmas movie. That's good enough for me...  |
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Post by ant-mac on Dec 9, 2018 19:21:11 GMT
but neither is Lethal Weapon or Gremlins all three have Christmas settings but neither are Christmas movies Sure they are. I'm putting all three on my christmas movie list, so that settles it. Works for me.  |
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Post by ant-mac on Dec 9, 2018 19:21:44 GMT
If I say it's a Christmas movie, for me it's a Christmas movie. No argument here.  |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 9, 2018 20:21:02 GMT
Die Hard isn't a Christmas movie but neither is Lethal Weapon or Gremlins all three have Christmas settings but none are Christmas movies Of course they are not ! Claiming that they are, is purely for arguments sake. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 20:44:04 GMT
Neither is It's A Wonderful Life.
It takes place on Christmas but it's actually about the evils of unchecked Capitalism.
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Post by Salzmank on Dec 9, 2018 21:28:10 GMT
Neither is It’s A Wonderful Life. It takes place on Christmas but it’s actually about the evils of unchecked Capitalism. Um, no. The point of the movie isn’t politics. It’s the story of a man’s life and essential worth. And a small-town business-owner, not the government, is the one responsible for standing against a corporatist billionaire–which makes sense, as it was directed by and starred conservative Republicans. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 21:43:01 GMT
Neither is It’s A Wonderful Life. It takes place on Christmas but it’s actually about the evils of unchecked Capitalism. Um, no. The point of the movie isn’t politics. It’s the story of a man’s life and essential worth. And a small-town business-owner, not the government, is the one responsible for standing against a corporatist billionaire–which makes sense, as it was directed by and starred conservative Republicans. I can't entirely agree with your reading-- aside from another message of the film i.e. the value of a man and how everyone makes a difference in the lives of those around them, sometimes in unexpected ways. However, the anti-capitalist message absolutely is present. Mr. Potter is depicted as a fat cat concerned only with money. When George sees the alternate reality where he never existed, Potter has transformed the town from small town Americana to a seedy and callous neon strip. He puts profit over the lives of others, no matter the consequences, and is representative of unfettered Capitalist greed. When George Bailey's business is saved at the end, it is because the common people (stand-ins for the working class) come together to save his loan company. Socialism saves the day from the uncaring capitalist. |
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Post by Salzmank on Dec 9, 2018 21:44:26 GMT
I can’t entirely agree with your reading– aside from another message of the film i.e. the value of a man and how everyone makes a difference in the lives of those around them, sometimes in unexpected ways. However, the anti-capitalist message absolutely is present. Mr. Potter is depicted as a fat cat concerned only with money. When George sees the alternate reality where he never existed, Potter has transformed the town from small town Americana to a seedy and callous neon strip. He puts profit over the lives of others, no matter the consequences, and is representative of unfettered Capitalist greed. When George Bailey’s business is saved at the end, it is because the common people (stand-ins for the working class) come together to save his loan company. Socialism saves the day from the uncaring capitalist. And I certainly cannot agree with your reading, especially because the hero is a small businessman. It’s not the government saving the day, it’s each person banding together–community, not communism. Under your reading, it’s the least-convincing anti-capitalism film ever made, one in which a capitalist businessman is the hero and a fat cat in bed with the government is the villain. Of course the movie believes that virtue is better than profit, but many people who believe in a free-market do too (myself included). That doesn’t make the film anti-capitalist, simply pro-virtue. Politically, the movie seems to be teaching that business, like everything in life, can be wicked (Mr. Potter) or good (George), and that we should choose the latter–not that business shouldn’t exist at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 21:49:54 GMT
I can’t entirely agree with your reading– aside from another message of the film i.e. the value of a man and how everyone makes a difference in the lives of those around them, sometimes in unexpected ways. However, the anti-capitalist message absolutely is present. Mr. Potter is depicted as a fat cat concerned only with money. When George sees the alternate reality where he never existed, Potter has transformed the town from small town Americana to a seedy and callous neon strip. He puts profit over the lives of others, no matter the consequences, and is representative of unfettered Capitalist greed. When George Bailey’s business is saved at the end, it is because the common people (stand-ins for the working class) come together to save his loan company. Socialism saves the day from the uncaring capitalist. And I certainly cannot agree with your reading. The US government certainly did at the time. That's why the FBI considered it communist propaganda. Also, socialism is a broad term and it doesn't necessarily indicate government intervention. Worker cooperatives are socialist in nature despite having nothing to do with the government. |
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Post by Salzmank on Dec 9, 2018 21:54:39 GMT
And I certainly cannot agree with your reading. The US government certainly did at the time. That’s why the FBI considered it communist propaganda. Also, socialism is a broad term and it doesn’t necessarily indicate government intervention. Worker cooperatives are socialist in nature despite having nothing to do with the government. No, not “the government,” especially under Truman. Just the FBI. I edited my post to go more in detail above, but Hoover thought everything was communist propaganda. So what? I know what socialism is. The movie tells us that we should be moral and virtuous, including in our businesses. I hope everyone would agree with that. Some fat-cat capitalists obviously wouldn’t. Some far-left socialists wouldn’t either, believing morality and virtue to be bourgeois plots to oppress the proletariat. None of it means that the movie is anti-capitalist or pro-socialist. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 22:02:05 GMT
The US government certainly did at the time. That’s why the FBI considered it communist propaganda. Also, socialism is a broad term and it doesn’t necessarily indicate government intervention. Worker cooperatives are socialist in nature despite having nothing to do with the government. No, not “the government,” especially under Truman. Just the FBI. I edited my post to go more in detail above, but Hoover thought everything was communist propaganda. So what? I know what socialism is. The movie tells us that we should be moral and virtuous, including in our businesses. I hope everyone would agree with that. Some fat-cat capitalists obviously wouldn’t. Some far-left socialists wouldn’t either, believing morality and virtue to be bourgeoisie plots to oppress the proletariat. None of it means that the movie is anti-capitalist or pro-socialist. The problem with that is that the film does pick a side. Again, it is not the wealthy banker that saves the day at the end; it's the little guys, the working Joes and Janes, all coming together and chipping in what they can. Whether the film intended it or not-- and I would say it absolutely does-- it's a pro-worker message that associates wealth with evil and community with good. |
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Post by Salzmank on Dec 9, 2018 22:03:25 GMT
I disagree. Seems like we can’t convince each other. OK, let’s move on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 22:05:53 GMT
I disagree. Seems like we can’t convince each other. OK, let’s move on. That's fine. I think it's a sign of a good film when you can take different messages away from it, or just view it on a superficial level, and still enjoy it. Perhaps we can agree on that? |
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