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Post by Salzmank on Dec 9, 2018 22:06:44 GMT
I disagree. Seems like we can’t convince each other. OK, let’s move on. That’s fine. I think it’s a sign of a good film when you can take different messages away from it, or just view it on a superficial level, and still enjoy it. Perhaps we can agree on that? Absolutely. And I love the film, the message of man’s essential worth, and the joys of family and community. I think we can agree about those as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 22:17:23 GMT
That’s fine. I think it’s a sign of a good film when you can take different messages away from it, or just view it on a superficial level, and still enjoy it. Perhaps we can agree on that? Absolutely. And I love the film, the message of man’s essential worth, and the joys of family and community. I think we can agree about those as well. One of my favorite films in that regard, at least in terms of a man's essential worth (but definitely not family and community), is Ikiru; though it takes almost the opposite approach to the subject. Just as uplifting by the end, though, I think! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 22:34:50 GMT
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 9, 2018 22:39:52 GMT
Die Hard is about a Grinch named Gruber who steals Christmas.
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Post by Dramatic Look Gopher on Dec 9, 2018 23:02:06 GMT
Die Hard is about a Grinch named Gruber who steals Christmas. The meanest Grinch that ever lived. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 9, 2018 23:04:52 GMT
The meanest Grinch that ever lived. But quick-witted and media savvy.
"I believe you. I read the article in Forbes."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 23:19:57 GMT
I consider Eyes Wide Shut to be a Christmas movie. Die Hard definitely is.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 9, 2018 23:21:54 GMT
 the alternate read on that is IF you have no friends, you are a failure. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 23:25:37 GMT
the alternate read on that is IF you have no friends, you are a failure. No, no, no, my friend. It's not that at all. No man is a failure who has friends reflects to it being possible to be a failure without friends, not an inevitability. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 2:11:48 GMT
No, not “the government,” especially under Truman. Just the FBI. I edited my post to go more in detail above, but Hoover thought everything was communist propaganda. So what? I know what socialism is. The movie tells us that we should be moral and virtuous, including in our businesses. I hope everyone would agree with that. Some fat-cat capitalists obviously wouldn’t. Some far-left socialists wouldn’t either, believing morality and virtue to be bourgeoisie plots to oppress the proletariat. None of it means that the movie is anti-capitalist or pro-socialist. The problem with that is that the film does pick a side. Again, it is not the wealthy banker that saves the day at the end; it's the little guys, the working Joes and Janes, all coming together and chipping in what they can. Whether the film intended it or not-- and I would say it absolutely does-- it's a pro-worker message that associates wealth with evil and community with good. That's not socialism, that's charity. Goodwill towards men isn't really that if it's forced. But you're right, there are a lot of takeaways from that film. The one that always struck a chord with me was the theme of regret and roads not taken but learning to appreciate where you are and what you've got. I think you need to have a few years behind you before that can resonate. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 10, 2018 2:26:55 GMT
John Ford's Donovan's Reef starring John Wayne & Lee Marvin is another Christmas staple of mine. Takes place at Christmas.  Haters gonna hate. Look at that wintery Christmasy French Polynesia. |
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Post by mslo79 on Dec 10, 2018 3:55:55 GMT
Yeah, Die Hard is clearly NOT a Christmas movie. it might be in some sort of vague way but it's not a clear cut Christmas movie like how say Christmas Vacation (1989) is which is a legitimate Christmas movie. when I claim a movie is something I tend to stick with the clear cut ones, not ones that are so-so at best like Die Hard.
basically Die Hard is a action movie that's vaguely a Christmas movie. but overall it's not Christmas enough to claim it's a Christmas movie at the end of the day.
or look at it this way... if you said to someone, "lets go watch a Christmas movie"... Die Hard is not exactly something people would think of compared to other movies which are more concrete Christmas movies.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 10, 2018 4:18:09 GMT
Die Hard is a violent action movie that happens to take place at Christmas-Time.
It would be the same movie if it took place in August. Having sets with Christmas decorations does not make a film a Christmas Movie.
When I first saw it being discussed and called a Christmas Movie I checked the date on the post to make sure it was not a April 1 prank.. it was not !.
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Post by Salzmank on Dec 10, 2018 4:21:45 GMT
I’ve been trying to figure out my own opinion on the Die Hard debate, and, yeah, I’m ultimately going to have to agree with BATouttaheck and mslo79 on this one. Psycho is also set at Christmas, but I don’t think anyone would call it a “Christmas movie.” |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 10, 2018 4:30:22 GMT
Salzmank Course in addition to Die Hard I also have a problem with calling movies like Bad Santa and the gory horror films set in the Holiday Season "Christmas Movies" but therein lies another thread, eh ? 
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 10, 2018 10:59:22 GMT
So, is Home Alone a Christmas movie, or just a movie that is set on Christmas?
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🎄😷🎄 on Dec 10, 2018 12:00:34 GMT
It's a Wonderful Life, not a Christmas movie. "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is not even a Christmas song. Turkey and cranberries belong to Thanksgiving. Santa is a creepy old man. Gift giving promotes the capitalist agenda. Trees belong in the wilderness, not nestled by the TV set. Bah humbug 2018!    I say, if you have a tradition of watching Die Hard at Christmas and it makes you happy, go for it. No harm done.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🎄😷🎄 on Dec 10, 2018 12:09:44 GMT
but neither is Lethal Weapon or Gremlins all three have Christmas settings but neither are Christmas movies Nope. Gremlins is the Christmasiest Christmas movie that ever Christmased!  |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Dec 10, 2018 15:50:36 GMT
It's a Wonderful Life, not a Christmas movie. "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is not even a Christmas song. Turkey and cranberries belong to Thanksgiving. Santa is a creepy old man. Gift giving promotes the capitalist agenda. Trees belong in the wilderness, not nestled by the TV set. Bah humbug 2018! I say, if you have a tradition of watching Die Hard at Christmas and it makes you happy, go for it. No harm done. I do have the tradition of watching Die Hard at Christmas and it makes me happy, because I see one good man winning over the efforts of many bad men. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 11, 2018 0:31:11 GMT
I’ve been trying to figure out my own opinion on the Die Hard debate, and, yeah, I’m ultimately going to have to agree with BATouttaheck and mslo79 on this one. Psycho is also set at Christmas, but I don’t think anyone would call it a “Christmas movie.” I've seen Psycho 20 times, including once in the theater, and forgot it was even set at Christmas time. Apparently there were some Christmas decorations in the background of a street shot, so Hitch put a "December 11th" title card at the beginning. One shot and a title card, that's it. That's not really comparable to Die Hard, a movie where Christmas is part of the plot and keeps being referenced throughout (ie, "I have a machine gun, ho ho ho" as opposed to "I have a machine gun, l'heim!"). I think if you asked the average person when Die Hard is set, they'd know it was Christmas time. Not so with Psycho. |
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