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Post by Salzmank on Dec 11, 2018 0:36:35 GMT
I’ve been trying to figure out my own opinion on the Die Hard debate, and, yeah, I’m ultimately going to have to agree with BATouttaheck and mslo79 on this one. Psycho is also set at Christmas, but I don’t think anyone would call it a “Christmas movie.” I’ve seen Psycho 20 times, including once in the theater, and forgot it was even set at Christmas time. Apparently there were some Christmas decorations in the background of a street shot, so Hitch put a “December 11th” title card at the beginning. One shot and a title card, that’s it. That’s not really comparable to Die Hard, a movie where Christmas is part of the plot and keeps being referenced throughout (ie, “I have a machine gun, ho ho ho” as opposed to “I have a machine gun, l’heim!”). I think if you asked the average person when Die Hard is set, they’d know it was Christmas time. Not so with Psycho. It’s a fair point, but is Christmas really all that relevant to the plot? It gets things going, and as you say is referenced, but couldn’t it really be any event that gets people together and McClane to L.A.? I haven’t seen it in a while and may take another look at it this weekend. On the other hand, my definition of “Christmas movie” is broader than Bat’s. If there’s a compelling reason for it to be set at Christmastime and it features in the plot, I’d count it–even if (in the case of, say, gory slasher flicks) I don’t like it. |
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Post by cwsims on Dec 11, 2018 2:05:22 GMT
Die Hard is a violent action movie that happens to take place at Christmas-Time. It would be the same movie if it took place in August. Having sets with Christmas decorations does not make a film a Christmas Movie. When I first saw it being discussed and called a Christmas Movie I checked the date on the post to make sure it was not a April 1 prank.. it was not !. This ^ |
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Post by cwsims on Dec 11, 2018 2:06:01 GMT
Yeah, Die Hard is clearly NOT a Christmas movie. it might be in some sort of vague way but it's not a clear cut Christmas movie like how say Christmas Vacation (1989) is which is a legitimate Christmas movie. when I claim a movie is something I tend to stick with the clear cut ones, not ones that are so-so at best like Die Hard. basically Die Hard is a action movie that's vaguely a Christmas movie. but overall it's not Christmas enough to claim it's a Christmas movie at the end of the day. or look at it this way... if you said to someone, "lets go watch a Christmas movie"... Die Hard is not exactly something people would think of compared to other movies which are more concrete Christmas movies. my point exactly |
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Post by cwsims on Dec 11, 2018 2:13:39 GMT
I’ve seen Psycho 20 times, including once in the theater, and forgot it was even set at Christmas time. Apparently there were some Christmas decorations in the background of a street shot, so Hitch put a “December 11th” title card at the beginning. One shot and a title card, that’s it. That’s not really comparable to Die Hard, a movie where Christmas is part of the plot and keeps being referenced throughout (ie, “I have a machine gun, ho ho ho” as opposed to “I have a machine gun, l’heim!”). I think if you asked the average person when Die Hard is set, they’d know it was Christmas time. Not so with Psycho. It’s a fair point, but is Christmas really all that relevant to the plot? It gets things going, and as you say is referenced, but couldn’t it really be any event that gets people together and McClane to L.A.? I haven’t seen it in a while and may take another look at it this weekend. On the other hand, my definition of “Christmas movie” is broader than Bat’s. If there’s a compelling reason for it to be set at Christmastime and it features in the plot, I’d count it–even if (in the case of, say, gory slasher flicks) I don’t like it. these would fall into my category of non Christmas movies Its a wonderful life Gremlins Lethal Weapon Die Hard ^ Gremlins get a pass a little because it does feature a few Christmas elements but every film that features a Christmas setting doesn't classify as a Christmas movie its like calling the original Alamo a western because of John Wayne or classifying every movie that features a shark scene as a shark movie ive seen some folks classify Open Water and Soul Surfer as Shark films if both of those are Shark films then you might as well call both "My Super Ex Girlfriend and Lethal Weapon 4" Shark films because both movies feature Shark scenes!" |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Dec 11, 2018 3:29:50 GMT
I’ve been trying to figure out my own opinion on the Die Hard debate, and, yeah, I’m ultimately going to have to agree with BATouttaheck and mslo79 on this one. Psycho is also set at Christmas, but I don’t think anyone would call it a “Christmas movie.” I've seen Psycho 20 times, including once in the theater, and forgot it was even set at Christmas time. Apparently there were some Christmas decorations in the background of a street shot, so Hitch put a "December 11th" title card at the beginning. One shot and a title card, that's it. That's not really comparable to Die Hard, a movie where Christmas is part of the plot and keeps being referenced throughout (ie, "I have a machine gun, ho ho ho" as opposed to "I have a machine gun, L'Chaim!"). I think if you asked the average person when Die Hard is set, they'd know it was Christmas time. Not so with Psycho. Nothing personal, Brad; I just had to fix that typo... once a proofreader, always a proofreader. Even spellcheck got it wrong... And I do agree; Die Hard does use Christmas as a constant reference. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 11, 2018 3:41:17 GMT
I've seen Psycho 20 times, including once in the theater, and forgot it was even set at Christmas time. Apparently there were some Christmas decorations in the background of a street shot, so Hitch put a "December 11th" title card at the beginning. One shot and a title card, that's it. That's not really comparable to Die Hard, a movie where Christmas is part of the plot and keeps being referenced throughout (ie, "I have a machine gun, ho ho ho" as opposed to "I have a machine gun, L'Chaim!"). I think if you asked the average person when Die Hard is set, they'd know it was Christmas time. Not so with Psycho. Nothing personal, Brad; I just had to fix that typo... once a proofreader, always a proofreader. Even spellcheck got it wrong... And I do agree; Die Hard does use Christmas as a constant reference. Mazel tov, my good man. Edit: I mean woman.  rachelcarson1953 |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 11, 2018 5:15:35 GMT
I’ve seen Psycho 20 times, including once in the theater, and forgot it was even set at Christmas time. Apparently there were some Christmas decorations in the background of a street shot, so Hitch put a “December 11th” title card at the beginning. One shot and a title card, that’s it. That’s not really comparable to Die Hard, a movie where Christmas is part of the plot and keeps being referenced throughout (ie, “I have a machine gun, ho ho ho” as opposed to “I have a machine gun, l’heim!”). I think if you asked the average person when Die Hard is set, they’d know it was Christmas time. Not so with Psycho. It’s a fair point, but is Christmas really all that relevant to the plot? It gets things going, and as you say is referenced, but couldn’t it really be any event that gets people together and McClane to L.A.? Probably, but at the end of the day, it IS Christmas that sets everything in motion. On that note, couldn't you alter the plots of most Christmas movies to not be about Christmas? For instance, what if the McCallisters left Kevin home alone while they flew to Paris for a wedding in February? Pretty much the same movie. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 11, 2018 22:30:09 GMT
but neither is Lethal Weapon or Gremlins all three have Christmas settings but neither are Christmas movies This is a mildly interesting debate. Defining what a Christmas movie is.
A) If it takes place during Christmas and clearly has several Christmas affections throughout then its a Christmas movie.
or
B) It's only a Christmas movie if its actually ABOUT Christmas itself.
Under definition A Die Hard is a Christmas movie. Under definition B its not. Your choice.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 11, 2018 22:32:35 GMT
More importantly, the piano piece 'Linus and Lucy' is not a Christmas song! wait... first you came on as catman and responded... |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 11, 2018 22:33:15 GMT
If it’s set on Christmas, it’s a Christmas movie. That's good enough for me...  ...then you came on as ant-mac and responded again? |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 11, 2018 22:34:42 GMT
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Post by ant-mac on Dec 12, 2018 5:58:37 GMT
lenlenlen1 - What the fuck are you talking about? Ho, ho, ho... Merry Christmas. I added that last part so this post would be considered to be a Christmas post. 
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 12, 2018 17:42:03 GMT
lenlenlen1 - What the fuck are you talking about? Ho, ho, ho... Merry Christmas. I added that last part so this post would be considered to be a Christmas post. It's a Christmas post.
(Didn't you say you and Catman 猫的主人 are one and the same? I'm confused...)
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Post by Salzmank on Dec 12, 2018 17:45:18 GMT
lenlenlen1 - What the fuck are you talking about? Ho, ho, ho... Merry Christmas. I added that last part so this post would be considered to be a Christmas post. It's a Christmas post.
(Didn't you say you and Catman 猫的主人 are one and the same? I'm confused...)
Well, since ant-mac is in Australia and Catman 猫的主人 is in Iowa, if they’re one and the same we should alert the authorities about the first-ever factual case of bilocation. Or, failing that, someone should make a movie about it.  |
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Post by Catman 猫的主人 on Dec 12, 2018 17:46:52 GMT
It's a Christmas post.
(Didn't you say you and Catman 猫的主人 are one and the same? I'm confused...)
Well, since ant-mac is in Australia and Catman 猫的主人 is in Iowa, if they’re one and the same we should alert the authorities about the first-ever factual case of bilocation. Or, failing that, someone should make a movie about it. Already been made.  |
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Post by Salzmank on Dec 12, 2018 17:49:32 GMT
Well, since ant-mac is in Australia and Catman 猫的主人 is in Iowa, if they’re one and the same we should alert the authorities about the first-ever factual case of bilocation. Or, failing that, someone should make a movie about it. Already been made. You and ant-mac starred as yourself? |
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Post by Catman 猫的主人 on Dec 12, 2018 17:51:48 GMT
Already been made. You and ant-mac starred as yourself? No, Bryant Haliday took the role. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 12, 2018 17:54:36 GMT
lenlenlen1 - What the fuck are you talking about? Ho, ho, ho... Merry Christmas. I added that last part so this post would be considered to be a Christmas post. 
Isnt that you saying you're catman?
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Dec 12, 2018 18:28:38 GMT
lenlenlen1 - What the fuck are you talking about? Ho, ho, ho... Merry Christmas. I added that last part so this post would be considered to be a Christmas post.
Isnt that you saying you're catman?
Len, have you been drinking? Not that I disapprove, mind you, but... Seriously? |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 12, 2018 19:06:36 GMT
Isnt that you saying you're catman?
Len, have you been drinking? Not that I disapprove, mind you, but... Seriously? What the wha? The guy posts ant-mac = catman! I thought he was admitting that he was on and the same! So I wrote "I knew it!" to which he responded "the letters in both user names have been there for all to see!" which I took as an affirmation.
I'm being bamboozled!!!
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