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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 2:56:33 GMT
When I think "Elite" I think top 5 QB...Im sorry, Rivers imo has never been a top 5er. Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers Drew Brees R. Wilson Top 4 imo.. Newton D. Watson D. Carr M. Stafford Molhomme Ive seen them all taken ahead of Rivers. Am I saying he is chopped liver, no, but elite...errr...... Lets be real....I hate to go here but imo I have too. You got a fantasy football team, I know some of you do, how many of you start Rivers? I bet none of you do. Rivers was my QB all season in a 12 team league and I lead my league in points. He is currently rated as QB 10 so for my team he did what he needed to do. I went cheap at QB and wanted consistency and that's what Rivers is. Plus he never misses games and in fantasy that's important.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 10, 2018 3:04:01 GMT
Can a player be considered elite without a ring? Unless you’re of a Ted Williams caliber, then probably not. Marino is the only QB without a ring off the top of my head that I’d call elite.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 3:16:24 GMT
Can a player be considered elite without a ring? Unless you’re of a Ted Williams caliber, then probably not. Marino is the only QB without a ring off the top of my head that I’d call elite. Warren Moon?
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 10, 2018 3:22:42 GMT
Can a player be considered elite without a ring? Unless you’re of a Ted Williams caliber, then probably not. Marino is the only QB without a ring off the top of my head that I’d call elite. Warren Moon? I never really watched him play. I guess he has the stats. Dan Fouts too I guess.
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Post by millar70 on Dec 10, 2018 3:26:20 GMT
When I think "Elite" I think top 5 QB...Im sorry, Rivers imo has never been a top 5er. Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers Drew Brees R. Wilson Top 4 imo.. Newton D. Watson D. Carr M. Stafford Molhomme Ive seen them all taken ahead of Rivers. Am I saying he is chopped liver, no, but elite...errr...... Lets be real....I hate to go here but imo I have too. You got a fantasy football team, I know some of you do, how many of you start Rivers? I bet none of you do. You seriously think guys like Newton, Stafford, and Carr are better than Phillip Rivers? Are you insane, or better yet, do you have any spare hallucinogens I could get from you? Derrick Carr? 😂😂😂😂
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Post by sdm3 on Dec 10, 2018 3:32:24 GMT
When I think "Elite" I think top 5 QB...Im sorry, Rivers imo has never been a top 5er. Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers Drew Brees R. Wilson Top 4 imo.. Newton D. Watson D. Carr M. Stafford Molhomme Ive seen them all taken ahead of Rivers. Am I saying he is chopped liver, no, but elite...errr...... Lets be real....I hate to go here but imo I have too. You got a fantasy football team, I know some of you do, how many of you start Rivers? I bet none of you do. Who the hell is Molhomme? Did Mahomes have a baby with Jake Delhomme?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 3:36:20 GMT
I never really watched him play. I guess he has the stats. Dan Fouts too I guess. Yeah I never did either so I don't feel like I can fairly judge. Just know that he's one of the top guys that gets brought up in regards to greats with no rings.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 10, 2018 4:13:38 GMT
Absolutely yes & has been for nearly his entire career. I still remember the Peter King pieces talking about, & always defending, his arm angle scaring some ppl while Brees was allowed to walk.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Dec 10, 2018 12:47:18 GMT
When I think "Elite" I think top 5 QB...Im sorry, Rivers imo has never been a top 5er. Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers Drew Brees R. Wilson Top 4 imo.. Newton D. Watson D. Carr M. Stafford Molhomme Ive seen them all taken ahead of Rivers. Am I saying he is chopped liver, no, but elite...errr...... Lets be real....I hate to go here but imo I have too. You got a fantasy football team, I know some of you do, how many of you start Rivers? I bet none of you do. You seriously think guys like Newton, Stafford, and Carr are better than Phillip Rivers? Are you insane, or better yet, do you have any spare hallucinogens I could get from you? Derrick Carr? 😂😂😂😂 Newton has been to a superbowl, how many has Rivers been too?
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 10, 2018 12:52:05 GMT
When I think "Elite" I think top 5 QB...Im sorry, Rivers imo has never been a top 5er. Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers Drew Brees R. Wilson Top 4 imo.. Newton D. Watson D. Carr M. Stafford Molhomme Ive seen them all taken ahead of Rivers. Am I saying he is chopped liver, no, but elite...errr...... Lets be real....I hate to go here but imo I have too. You got a fantasy football team, I know some of you do, how many of you start Rivers? I bet none of you do. Russell Wilson is my favourite.
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Post by millar70 on Dec 10, 2018 13:10:47 GMT
You seriously think guys like Newton, Stafford, and Carr are better than Phillip Rivers? Are you insane, or better yet, do you have any spare hallucinogens I could get from you? Derrick Carr? 😂😂😂😂 Newton has been to a superbowl, how many has Rivers been too? Getting to the Super Bowl isn't a sure-fire way of determining what makes a quarterback great. Cam Newton is good, but I'd say Rivers is a better qb.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Dec 10, 2018 13:20:27 GMT
Newton has been to a superbowl, how many has Rivers been too? Getting to the Super Bowl isn't a sure-fire way of determining what makes a quarterback great. Cam Newton is good, but I'd say Rivers is a better qb. I agree....but Rivers is elite, meaning, Joe Flacco has also been. Colin K has even went to one. Rivers for as elite as he is, couldnt get LAC to one, NOT ONE!? Marino even got to one. Dont tell me Rivers never had good enough teams, because I call BS on that my brother.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 10, 2018 13:22:38 GMT
Getting to the Super Bowl isn't a sure-fire way of determining what makes a quarterback great. Cam Newton is good, but I'd say Rivers is a better qb. I agree....but Rivers is elite, meaning, Joe Flacco has also been. Colin K has even went to one. Rivers for as elite as he is, couldnt get LAC to one, NOT ONE!? Marino even got to one. Dont tell me Rivers never had good enough teams, because I call BS on that my brother. He never had great coaches. How long was Norv there? Can’t even name any of their other head coaches off the top of my head.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Dec 10, 2018 13:24:33 GMT
I agree....but Rivers is elite, meaning, Joe Flacco has also been. Colin K has even went to one. Rivers for as elite as he is, couldnt get LAC to one, NOT ONE!? Marino even got to one. Dont tell me Rivers never had good enough teams, because I call BS on that my brother. He never had great coaches. How long was Norv there? Can’t even name any of their other head coaches off the top of my head. I see you made a thread, best players to never win a ring. I see LT (Rivers team mate) made it, but why not Rivers?
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 10, 2018 13:27:06 GMT
He never had great coaches. How long was Norv there? Can’t even name any of their other head coaches off the top of my head. I see you made a thread, best players to never win a ring. I see LT (Rivers team mate) made it, but why not Rivers? It’s not an all-inclusive list. I have no issues if someone adds Rivers. He’s probably the best active QB at least to not win one.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Dec 10, 2018 13:28:12 GMT
I see you made a thread, best players to never win a ring. I see LT (Rivers team mate) made it, but why not Rivers? It’s not an all-inclusive list. I have no issues if someone adds Rivers. He’s probably the best active QB at least to not win one. I dont consider him elite, I wouldnt add him to the hall of fame. Now if we had a hall of really really good, yes. Hall of fame?
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Post by millar70 on Dec 10, 2018 13:41:30 GMT
It’s not an all-inclusive list. I have no issues if someone adds Rivers. He’s probably the best active QB at least to not win one. I dont consider him elite, I wouldnt add him to the hall of fame. Now if we had a hall of really really good, yes. Hall of fame? Let's wait a year or two before we pass too much judgement on Phillip, the team's he got now is his best chance at a ring.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Dec 10, 2018 14:01:34 GMT
I dont consider him elite, I wouldnt add him to the hall of fame. Now if we had a hall of really really good, yes. Hall of fame? Let's wait a year or two before we pass too much judgement on Phillip, the team's he got now is his best chance at a ring. That's fair.....but what if he fails again? Look Id love to see him not, but he was traded for Eli, who won 2 rings. I dont consider Eli elite,but he does have 2 rings...
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 10, 2018 14:22:45 GMT
Let's wait a year or two before we pass too much judgement on Phillip, the team's he got now is his best chance at a ring. That's fair.....but what if he fails again? Look Id love to see him not, but he was traded for Eli, who won 2 rings. I dont consider Eli elite,but he does have 2 rings... Eli is probably the luckiest QB to ever play the game.
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Post by millar70 on Dec 10, 2018 15:57:42 GMT
That's fair.....but what if he fails again? Look Id love to see him not, but he was traded for Eli, who won 2 rings. I dont consider Eli elite,but he does have 2 rings... Eli is probably the luckiest QB to ever play the game. Eli earned those rings.
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