Is Rivers an elite QB

Well, as long as you admit that...

I wouldn't argue Eli is top 5 all time. But that's irrelevant really to this point. He doesn't need to be one of the few all time greats top have earned his rings through great play in his playoff runs to and through the Super Bowl.

If you think he Dilfer-ed of Brad Johnsod-ed his way through the playoffs then you just didn't watch.

Eli's career is hard to quantify, clearly. The debate between him and Rivers is interesting. They'll always be linked. I think Rivers underachieved with more offensive talent, and Eli sort of overachieved with more defensive support. I'd rate them pretty evenly, but I think there's much more of a feeling of a wasted opportunity for Rivers with the Chargers. Same could be said of the post Super Bowl 42 Giants the year when they were the best team in the league up until Plax shot himself. But Eli, until maybe now when he has no offensive line, never had genuine top of the line offensive fire power like Phillip Rivers did, especially early on.

The other thing about both of them is that they both are total iron men. They've never missed games and have probably played hurt a lot over the years. You could easily argue that Roethlisberger is the best QB from that draft class, but he can't make that claim at all.

But Rivers has always disappointed in the playoffs, and until he shows up there, which he very could this year, he will always have that hanging over him.


But....

...genuinely only an idiot would say that the Manningham catch in Super Bowl 46 was 'lucky' or 'a fluke.' It was just a good catch made on a perfectly placed throw.

I've heard people make this comment before, and it immediately outs them as morons... And I know that you're not an moron.