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Post by tristramshandy on Dec 12, 2018 14:17:30 GMT
So now we vote guys in because of what they might have done? lol. Back then, people did talk about why Thurman Munson should be in the Hall because of what he could have accomplished if not for the tragic end. It happens in other sports. Gale Sayers is 143rd in career rushing yards in NFL history. Greg Bell is 142nd - - and Bell scored ten more touchdowns than Sayers. Why is Sayers in? Because of what his career could have been. Freeman McNeil, Stephen Davis, and Garrison Hearst all have more rushing yards than Terrell Davis. Terrell Davis was great for four years and is barely over 1100 yards for the rest of his three seasons combined. You can put up five Shaun Alexander years that match Davis's quality in the four he has, but I bet there isn't a chance in hell Alexander gets in the Hall of Fame. |
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Post by fjenkins on Dec 13, 2018 23:20:16 GMT
lol. Back then, people did talk about why Thurman Munson should be in the Hall because of what he could have accomplished if not for the tragic end. It happens in other sports. Gale Sayers is 143rd in career rushing yards in NFL history. Greg Bell is 142nd - - and Bell scored ten more touchdowns than Sayers. Why is Sayers in? Because of what his career could have been. Freeman McNeil, Stephen Davis, and Garrison Hearst all have more rushing yards than Terrell Davis. Terrell Davis was great for four years and is barely over 1100 yards for the rest of his three seasons combined. You can put up five Shaun Alexander years that match Davis's quality in the four he has, but I bet there isn't a chance in hell Alexander gets in the Hall of Fame. Football HOF is as bad as baseball. Joe Namath isn't a HOFer either, ever look at his stats? It's all the hype. Gale Sayers had a movie about him that makes men cry. |
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Post by fjenkins on Dec 13, 2018 23:20:53 GMT
Heathcliff Slocomb. Twice I won $100 bet, wagering that when Heathcliff came in, he would blow the save for the Red Sox. I still say the Heathcliff Slocomb trade was the worse in Baseball history. Fuck Brock-Broglio, Ryan -Fregosi. Slocomb was a certifiable waste. He was 0-5, 5.97 ERA, 1.971 WHIP, when Seattle gave up Jason Varitek and Derek Lowe for his "services". Granted, D-Lo and Tek were unprovens when the were dealt, but I would have traded a case of the clap for Heathcliff. Gonorrhea is easier to get rid of. And less painful Remember when the Sox got Eric Gagne in the middle of the 2007 season? They still win the WS despite of him though. Gagne was off the juice by then. |
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Post by fjenkins on Dec 13, 2018 23:24:44 GMT
Nope.
As I stated above, the save was a new stat that wasn't used nearly as much. Lee Smith is more a product of timing than anything else.
1969-1979 (First 11 years of the save stat): 8209 league saves 1980-1990 (First 11 years of Smith's career): 10592 league saves
1969-1979 (First 11 years of the save stat): 8725 complete games
1980-1990 (First 11 years of Smith's career): 5184 complete games
Prior to Smith's time, the game was managed differently.
1969-1981 (First 13 years of save stat): 9716 league saves 1982-1994 (First 13 years of Smith's closer career): 13295 league saves
1969-1981 (First 13 years of save stat): 9786 complete games 1982-1994 (First 13 years of Smith's closer career): 5151 complete games
Not sure what those numbers have to do with Smith. In the last 30+ years teams have used closers more than ever. Smith was the all-time leader for over a decade and despite having retired a 'career' ago he still has been surpassed by only 2 players. Craig Kimbrell is the closest active player (14th on the list) and he has approximately 50% fewer saves. He might eventually pass Smith. I don't see anyone else among active players passing him anytime soon. Maybe that's what this committee realized: he's third all time in an important category and should be in the HOF for it. Back when he was on the ballot Hoffman was saving lots of games and Rivera was coming on too so the voters thought Smith's total wasn't going to be all that impressive in the future but here we are in 2018 and Smith's total is looking more and more like an almost unbeatable number. Plus Smith was before the "come in for one or two outs with the tying run on deck and get a save" era. He was throwing 2 or 3 innings at times. And he was one of the most feared stoppers ever. He should have been in the Hall years ago. |
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Post by fjenkins on Dec 13, 2018 23:28:56 GMT
So now we vote guys in because of what they might have done? I wouldn't, and I wouldn't have voted Baines in. He's sort of the hitting version of Don Sutton, a compiler with great longevity. That being said, the only person who has more hits than Baines who won't be in the Hall of Fame (minus Bonds and Palmeiro who aren't in because of steroids) is Omar Vizquel, and Vizquel only has 11 more hits than Baines. I don't think Baines should be in, but people who are treating this like the greatest injustice in sports history are more ridiculous than the group of sixteen who got him in. I definitely think Visquel will make the hall at some point. You think guys like Arod and Palmerio will still make the hall? |
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Post by tristramshandy on Dec 14, 2018 1:27:12 GMT
Palmeiro will have to wait for Bonds, Clemens, and ARod. I hope both do - - just color code their plaques to say they were steroid cheats.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Dec 14, 2018 10:33:54 GMT
Should the IMDB2 board retire numbers?
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Post by fjenkins on Dec 14, 2018 21:37:17 GMT
Palmeiro will have to wait for Bonds, Clemens, and ARod. I hope both do - - just color code their plaques to say they were steroid cheats. I know it's been talked about to death but I hate the whole concept of "put a marker and say they did steroids." They illegally obtained and illegally used steroids to cheat. If you or I were caught with the drugs these guys had, we'd go to jail. Why is it okay for them to do these illegal activities and then be rewarded with the Hall on top? They got the accolades, money and records. They don't get the hall. Last year Clemens and Bonds didn't make any headway in the voting. This year will tell. If they make any kind of leap, they have a shot. If not, they won't make it. |
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Post by fjenkins on Dec 14, 2018 21:42:21 GMT
Should the IMDB2 board retire numbers? Mine is 8. Was 9 the first year of high school baseball because we didn't get to pick, then 8 through high school and all my years in softball. #8 |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 14, 2018 22:22:54 GMT
Should the IMDB2 board retire numbers? Retire 3.1416 for me. Never having played organized sports, I never had a number. |
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Dec 14, 2018 22:44:49 GMT
Should the IMDB2 board retire numbers? Retire 3.1416 for me. Never having played organized sports, I never had a number. Done. i put up/retired my rec league basketball jersey in my HS English class, it is still there. Up in the corner. |
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