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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 9:09:04 GMT
After a cracking weekend of some great games when the EPL came back to life etc, racism by Chelsea and Hearts fans is at the fore.
Is it just me, or is this becoming an issue again in top flight UK football, or has it never really gone away?
It's not something I've much encountered in non-league football... I'm sure there are enough racist numptys in non-league, but it doesn't tend to make itself heard. Maybe because non-league is a smaller more personal experience, and people feel more able to express their racist tendencies in more anonymous much larger top flight crowds?
Whether it is re-emerging, or has never went away, I don't like it.
Maybe it's time to look at points deductions for teams who's supporters engage in racism?
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Post by Carl LaFong on Dec 10, 2018 9:39:07 GMT
Should close down the Daily Mail. 
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Post by MrFurious on Dec 10, 2018 11:42:02 GMT
I cant stand Sterling(cos the lack of loyalty he showed us) but he did make a great point about the 2 kids buying houses/mansions for their Mum's, and the way the papers ran the stories
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Dec 10, 2018 13:47:24 GMT
These stories are always overblown. For a start this incident with Sterling is alleged only. Even if true it's rare and isolated in comparison to the thousands upon thousands of fans who shout and cheer for black players and have their names on their shirts and their faces on their walls. I suppose all that counts for nothing. As for Sterling's two cherry picked stories about media fuelling racism all I can say I have seen countless stories by the media praising black and white footballers and countless stories that are negative about black and white footballers. Every now and again you'll get an a-hole in the stands shouting abuse and heckling. Much ado about nothing but for some reason you have to feign shock and outrage and if you don't you're either dismissively in denial or indeed racist yourself.
Also I have to say that Sterling's comment over an alleged comment from a fan about how he 'expects no better' when it comes to fans is absolutely a disgusting sweeping generalization of football fans who 99% of the time are decent people. Sterling should be getting called out for that.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Dec 10, 2018 15:51:54 GMT
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Post by Carl LaFong on Dec 10, 2018 23:45:55 GMT
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Post by orlandogardner on Dec 11, 2018 1:18:58 GMT
It obviously never went away, it's just that these twats have been emboldened by the far-right, and those with fascistic tendencies, been given a platform to vent their bile again. It's fucking sickening.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Dec 11, 2018 1:54:59 GMT
One of the things I thought of was I wondered if he said 'Manc'. That can be possible. Of course that would mean the people who went beserk over this non-story might have to admit they got it wrong. That can't happen with the race baiters.
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Post by hi224 on Dec 11, 2018 8:56:44 GMT
After a cracking weekend of some great games when the EPL came back to life etc, racism by Chelsea and Hearts fans is at the fore. Is it just me, or is this becoming an issue again in top flight UK football, or has it never really gone away? [bther]It's not something I've much encountered in non-league football... I'm sure there are enough racist numptys in non-league, but it doesn't tend to make itself heard. Maybe because non-league is a smaller more personal experience, and people feel more able to express their racist tendencies in more anonymous much larger top flight crowds? Whether it is re-emerging, or has never went away, I don't like it. Maybe it's time to look at points deductions for teams who's supporters engage in racism? Yay.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 10:08:55 GMT
One of the things I thought of was I wondered if he said 'Manc'. That can be possible. Of course that would mean the people who went beserk over this non-story might have to admit they got it wrong. That can't happen with the race baiters. You seem a tad too keen to downplay racism as a problem in football. We are back in the bad old days of bananas being thrown on the pitch, monkey chants on the terraces, and idiots feeling emboldened to shout racist abuse. The likes of Tommy Robinson are trying to recruit on the terraces again, like the NF and BNP used to. We don't want football to backslide on this. We've got to accept racism is getting a foothold back in football. Own it as a problem, and kick it out again, before it gets back to like the 70s and 80s.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Dec 11, 2018 11:23:22 GMT
One of the things I thought of was I wondered if he said 'Manc'. That can be possible. Of course that would mean the people who went beserk over this non-story might have to admit they got it wrong. That can't happen with the race baiters. You seem a tad too keen to downplay racism as a problem in football. We are back in the bad old days of bananas being thrown on the pitch, monkey chants on the terraces, and idiots feeling emboldened to shout racist abuse. The likes of Tommy Robinson are trying to recruit on the terraces again, like the NF and BNP used to. We don't want football to backslide on this. We've got to accept racism is getting a foothold back in football. Own it as a problem, and kick it out again, before it gets back to like the 70s and 80s. It's being totally overblown. The racist incidents like this latest one usually turn out to be alleged nothing and more. 99.9% of fans are not a problem despite Sterling's heinous comment about not expecting any better from them which he should be suspended and heavily fined for. I just want to see some kind of apology given by the like of the PFA, Kick It Out, the media and the likes of Barnes, Collymore, Wright etc who went on a witch hunt and target a fan labelling him racist without a shred of evidence. It was just so totally wrong. If you're labelled a racist it can destroy your life in the era we live in. You'll always get the odd a-hole who might say or throw something. You will see that anywhere to anyone by anyone.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Dec 11, 2018 11:27:01 GMT
One of the things I thought of was I wondered if he said 'Manc'. That can be possible. Of course that would mean the people who went beserk over this non-story might have to admit they got it wrong. That can't happen with the race baiters. You seem a tad too keen to downplay racism as a problem in football. We are back in the bad old days of bananas being thrown on the pitch, monkey chants on the terraces, and idiots feeling emboldened to shout racist abuse. The likes of Tommy Robinson are trying to recruit on the terraces again, like the NF and BNP used to. We don't want football to backslide on this. We've got to accept racism is getting a foothold back in football. Own it as a problem, and kick it out again, before it gets back to like the 70s and 80s. Psycho never met a racist he didn't like!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 11:30:19 GMT
You seem a tad too keen to downplay racism as a problem in football. We are back in the bad old days of bananas being thrown on the pitch, monkey chants on the terraces, and idiots feeling emboldened to shout racist abuse. The likes of Tommy Robinson are trying to recruit on the terraces again, like the NF and BNP used to. We don't want football to backslide on this. We've got to accept racism is getting a foothold back in football. Own it as a problem, and kick it out again, before it gets back to like the 70s and 80s. Psycho never met a racist he didn't like! He is coming across a tad concerning.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Dec 11, 2018 14:27:58 GMT
You seem a tad too keen to downplay racism as a problem in football. We are back in the bad old days of bananas being thrown on the pitch, monkey chants on the terraces, and idiots feeling emboldened to shout racist abuse. The likes of Tommy Robinson are trying to recruit on the terraces again, like the NF and BNP used to. We don't want football to backslide on this. We've got to accept racism is getting a foothold back in football. Own it as a problem, and kick it out again, before it gets back to like the 70s and 80s. Psycho never met a racist he didn't like! Care to elaborate? The guy in question didn't make racist remark. It was a witch hunt by the usual suspects with no basis in facts and evidence. They just went out and branded a British citizen with a term that can ruin his life and even have him criminally prosecuted. The printed his picture, where he lives, where he works. You have no problem with that?
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Dec 11, 2018 14:33:09 GMT
Psycho never met a racist he didn't like! He is coming across a tad concerning. It's concerning that a guys life can be ruined over an alleged comment at a football game. An allegation which now appears to be false. I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to know the full story and expecting when the story has holes in it and when people push an allegation that turns out to have zero merit to apologize and hold themselves accountable. Instead these people will be scouring social media in the hopes of finding something to justify their allegations just to save face.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 14:34:27 GMT
Psycho never met a racist he didn't like! Care to elaborate? The guy in question didn't make racist remark. It was a witch hunt by the usual suspects with no basis in facts and evidence. They just went out and branded a British citizen with a term that can ruin his life and even have him criminally prosecuted. The printed his picture, where he lives, where he works. You have no problem with that? That's plenty... got your measure now. Go have a cry wank over your piccies of Yaxley-Lennon ya creepy basturt.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Dec 11, 2018 14:46:34 GMT
Care to elaborate? The guy in question didn't make racist remark. It was a witch hunt by the usual suspects with no basis in facts and evidence. They just went out and branded a British citizen with a term that can ruin his life and even have him criminally prosecuted. The printed his picture, where he lives, where he works. You have no problem with that? That's plenty... got your measure now. Go have a cry wank over your piccies of Yaxley-Lennon ya creepy basturt. Better tell the media like the BBC who are still milking the story probably desperation on their part because they know they messed up. I never made this in to a big deal. You made the thread and the media, pundits and certain organizations blew the Sterling incident up totally out of proportion based on an allegation. The odd thing is why isn't calling someone a 'manc cvnt' not seen as bad as 'black cvnt'. Are they not just as bigoted? Why can't the media now address bigotry in the UK based on what part you come from? Is that just noas important or just does not suit the race baiting agenda?
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jul 30, 2019 11:00:36 GMT
Banned for life from Stamford Bridge. I assume he's the Waffle in question. But that sounds like a reward, not a punishment.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jul 30, 2019 11:43:51 GMT
More info: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49161781Chelsea have banned a fan for life for using "racially abusive language" towards Manchester City's Raheem Sterling during a match at Stamford Bridge on 8 December 2018. Five other Blues supporters have been temporarily suspended for using "abusive language and threatening and aggressive behaviour". Police investigated allegations England forward Sterling was racially abused but the Crown Prosecution Service said there was insufficient evidence for a criminal charge. Chelsea conducted their own investigation and said they delayed reaching their decision so as not to prejudice the related police inquiry. The Blues said they operated under the civil standard of proof, rather than criminal. "While the club respects the decision of the CPS, the question it had to determine was not whether a criminal offence had been committed, but rather whether the individual acted in breach of the ticketing terms and conditions," said a Chelsea statement. Chelsea said they sought representations from the fans concerned, reviewed video evidence, interviewed potential witnesses and took advice from two lip-reading experts. The club statement added: "All individuals sanctioned as a result of our investigation were then offered the right to appeal and, where applicable, those appeals have been heard." Chelsea said the six fans "crossed the line of what is acceptable". In terms of the supporter banned for life, Chelsea said two lip-reading experts advised that racially abusive words had been used. The other five fans have been given bans of between one and two years. "Individuals receiving the shorter exclusion did so on the basis that they have provided undertakings about their future behaviour," said the club. "Chelsea finds all forms of discriminatory behaviour abhorrent and we will continue to operate a zero-tolerance approach to any incidents of racism."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 11:49:57 GMT
More info: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49161781Chelsea have banned a fan for life for using "racially abusive language" towards Manchester City's Raheem Sterling during a match at Stamford Bridge on 8 December 2018. Five other Blues supporters have been temporarily suspended for using "abusive language and threatening and aggressive behaviour". Police investigated allegations England forward Sterling was racially abused but the Crown Prosecution Service said there was insufficient evidence for a criminal charge. Chelsea conducted their own investigation and said they delayed reaching their decision so as not to prejudice the related police inquiry. The Blues said they operated under the civil standard of proof, rather than criminal. "While the club respects the decision of the CPS, the question it had to determine was not whether a criminal offence had been committed, but rather whether the individual acted in breach of the ticketing terms and conditions," said a Chelsea statement. Chelsea said they sought representations from the fans concerned, reviewed video evidence, interviewed potential witnesses and took advice from two lip-reading experts. The club statement added: "All individuals sanctioned as a result of our investigation were then offered the right to appeal and, where applicable, those appeals have been heard." Chelsea said the six fans "crossed the line of what is acceptable". In terms of the supporter banned for life, Chelsea said two lip-reading experts advised that racially abusive words had been used. The other five fans have been given bans of between one and two years. "Individuals receiving the shorter exclusion did so on the basis that they have provided undertakings about their future behaviour," said the club. "Chelsea finds all forms of discriminatory behaviour abhorrent and we will continue to operate a zero-tolerance approach to any incidents of racism." Hopefully the other numptys get the message... Racism has been a problem with Chelsea fans for far too long. Shout racist or homophobic slurs, and you get banned from your club.
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