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Post by Farside on Dec 12, 2018 3:31:47 GMT
Since no one's ever seen a dinosaur and yet they know when they lived, how their bones fit together and which were around during the same time. They even know that a asteroid killed them all even though no one was around to witness it.
Also no one's ever been to any other planet, and yet they know which ones don't contain life in our solar system, and some how they know Venus is acidic even though no one's been there.
I'm telling you, that's clever.
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Post by Nora on Dec 12, 2018 3:50:34 GMT
Since no one's ever seen a dinosaur and yet they know when they lived, how their bones fit together and which were around during the same time. They even know that a asteroid killed them all even though no one was around to witness it.
Also no one's ever been to any other planet, and yet they know which ones don't contain life in our solar system, and some how they know Venus is acidic even though no one's been there.
I'm telling you, that's clever.
i agree. I am however most amazed by astrophysics. Paleontology actually had a “lot of” tangeble/touchable “evidence” to work with - but astrophysics relying mostly on experiments and insane math and the vast imagination of the scientists and the the shere power of analytics and deduction, and so much of it is showing to be true, its purely amazing. no matter how weird Musk is, I am grateful for him pushing space exploration further again. And I am so happy I most likely will live to see a person on Mars. I am telling you, I WIL be crying when that happens.
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Post by Caesar Roberto on Dec 12, 2018 10:38:00 GMT
Well said.
It's not so much scientists being clever, more like the general population being very easily convinced despite being little to no proof of such things we can't possibly know the answers to as humans, such as the the extinction of dinosaurs, the big bang, how big the galaxy is and the distance between planets etc
It amazes me at how gullible people are to just totally accept these ridiculous figures that are shown to them just because they come from scientists. People don't seem to stop and think just how long 65 million years is. Like world history seems to get rather cloudy what, like 1000 years ago or so, yet they are totally willingly to an event happening 65 million years ago as fact. Like how could they possibly have calculated that? Why 65 million and not 64 or 66? Why not 1 billion? They could really just pick any. They're all just arbitrary numbers. The truth is we don't know. As cool as the idea of dinosaurs are, we don't know when or if they existed.
What I want to know is whether scientists have somehow convinced themselves to believe these "facts" too, or whether they know it's all very iffy but are just too afraid to speak out at fear of looking bad by their peers.
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Dec 12, 2018 10:42:49 GMT
What is this?
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Post by Caesar Roberto on Dec 12, 2018 10:46:06 GMT
Since no one's ever seen a dinosaur and yet they know when they lived, how their bones fit together and which were around during the same time. They even know that a asteroid killed them all even though no one was around to witness it.
Also no one's ever been to any other planet, and yet they know which ones don't contain life in our solar system, and some how they know Venus is acidic even though no one's been there.
I'm telling you, that's clever.
i agree  I know sarcasm can be hard to detect in text form, but I'm pretty sure the OP is being satirical. Making fun. I remember your posts on that thread about Saturn, being so gullible to believe that photo of it was real. Then I saw you agreed to this and was wondering if maybe you had wisened up and changed your ways, but I guess not. lmao
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Post by Nora on Dec 12, 2018 14:53:29 GMT
 I know sarcasm can be hard to detect in text form, but I'm pretty sure the OP is being satirical. Making fun. I remember your posts on that thread about Saturn, being so gullible to believe that photo of it was real. Then I saw you agreed to this and was wondering if maybe you had wisened up and changed your ways, but I guess not. lmao glad to have brightened up your day.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 15:15:18 GMT
Since no one's ever seen a dinosaur and yet they know when they lived, how their bones fit together and which were around during the same time. They even know that a asteroid killed them all even though no one was around to witness it.
Also no one's ever been to any other planet, and yet they know which ones don't contain life in our solar system, and some how they know Venus is acidic even though no one's been there.
I'm telling you, that's clever.
they even know about global warming even though it's something you can't directly observe.
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Post by Nora on Dec 12, 2018 16:02:59 GMT
Well said. It's not so much scientists being clever, more like the general population being very easily convinced despite being little to no proof of such things we can't possibly know the answers to as humans, such as the the extinction of dinosaurs, the big bang, how big the galaxy is and the distance between planets etc It amazes me at how gullible people are to just totally accept these ridiculous figures that are shown to them just because they come from scientists. People don't seem to stop and think just how long 65 million years is. Like world history seems to get rather cloudy what, like 1000 years ago or so, yet they are totally willingly to an event happening 65 million years ago as fact. Like how could they possibly have calculated that? Why 65 million and not 64 or 66? Why not 1 billion? They could really just pick any. They're all just arbitrary numbers. The truth is we don't know. As cool as the idea of dinosaurs are, we don't know when or if they existed. What I want to know is whether scientists have somehow convinced themselves to believe these "facts" too, or whether they know it's all very iffy but are just too afraid to speak out at fear of looking bad by their peers. i may have asked you already, but forgot, so bear with me: do you believe people were on the Moon?
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Post by Catman 猫的主人 on Dec 12, 2018 16:21:12 GMT
i may have asked you already, but forgot, so bear with me: do you believe people were on the Moon? Everyone knows the moon was blown out of orbit on September 13, 1999 by a nuclear accident, and since then it has wandered through the universe at impossible speeds while the good folks on Moonbase Alpha have done their best to survive.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 12, 2018 16:28:54 GMT
i may have asked you already, but forgot, so bear with me: do you believe people were on the Moon? Everyone knows the moon was blown out of orbit on September 13, 1999 by a nuclear accident, and since then it has wandered through the universe at impossible speeds while the good folks on Moonbase Alpha have done their best to survive. Well I hope they make it out okay.
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Post by Catman 猫的主人 on Dec 12, 2018 16:32:49 GMT
Everyone knows the moon was blown out of orbit on September 13, 1999 by a nuclear accident, and since then it has wandered through the universe at impossible speeds while the good folks on Moonbase Alpha have done their best to survive. Well I hope they make it out okay. Apparently they found a habitable planet in 2024 which they named Terra Alpha. Just in time, it turns out, as their life support system was failing.
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Post by Farside on Dec 12, 2018 16:36:49 GMT
 I know sarcasm can be hard to detect in text form, but I'm pretty sure the OP is being satirical. Making fun. Oh I was. Thank you for noticing. But honestly the truth is as much as we might not like to admit it "scientism" is a religion. In the same way we get on the case of religious people for believing everything the scriptures tell them, many atheist believe everything that scientists tell them.
What I'm still trying to figure out is how do they know Jupiter and Saturn are "gas giants"? They say Jupiter could have been a second sun even though they also claim the sun is one million times the size of Earth. Also I'm trying to figure out how they know the red spot on Jupiter is a hurricane. Is that something you would find out by looking through a telescope? Did one of their probes find out? If so why not release the footage or pictures showing it to be a hurricane?
The word "dinosaur" means "terrible lizard". But if you only allegedly found their bones that is not enough to tell you if they had scaly skin, and now they say they had feathers. It also doesn't tell you if they laid eggs.
Also the assumption that an asteroid killed the dinosaurs is a logical fallacy. Since they want to know what killed the dinosaurs and they found an old crater, and they think the asteroid that hit was what killed the dinosaurs. This is the false cause fallacy.
"A false cause fallacy occurs when one cites to sequential events as evidence that the first caused the second.
The argument generally looks like this:
Event A happened. Event B happened after A. Therefore, A caused B." www.philosophy-index.com/logic/fallacies/false-cause.php
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 12, 2018 19:56:15 GMT
Since no one's ever seen a dinosaur and yet they know when they lived, how their bones fit together and which were around during the same time. They even know that a asteroid killed them all even though no one was around to witness it.
Also no one's ever been to any other planet, and yet they know which ones don't contain life in our solar system, and some how they know Venus is acidic even though no one's been there.
I'm telling you, that's clever.
This is actually for everyone on this thread...
The conclusions that scientists come to are based on educated guesses. Guesses, yes, but educated, which is better than "faith". Faith means you believe in something without proof. Science means you believe in something after you've made several experiments to determine whether you're right or wrong.
If you've run experiments and it turns out you're correct in your theory you can show your facts and figures to anyone in the world and if they do the same experiments they will come to the same conclusion. Thus proving the correctness. If two separate teams of scientists add 2 +2 both teams will always = 4. ALWAYS.
If you're wrong you admit that your theory and experiment didn't add up. And then you try another experiment to see if that one is correct. You do this until you determine what is correct, or you give up and accept that you don't know how to prove your theory. That has actually happened a lot in science. Either theories have been proven by independent study, or disproven, or the search for the answer continues with many different theories and studies.
There's no "making shit up" about it.
Of course, no one has even SEEN a Dinosaur, but we have SEEN and handled the bones, and we've run experiments on those to determine certain facts. Carbon dating is a thing that tells us how old something is. And then from that we determine other facts. And so on and so on. Theories, experiments and facts or disproven facts building upon one another.
How do we know a meteor hit the Earth so long ago? Actually we DONT KNOW that, and NO ONE said they know that for sure. Its just the leading theory. That's what's missing from some of the comments being posted here: That no one is saying they know for sure 100% that they know these things. There are leading theories based on other previously established facts and continuing experiments.
But why is that the leading theory? Apparently at a certain depth beneath the ground of that part of the world is a mineral that is SO rare everywhere else that the only logical conclusion is that it came from a meteor strike. That was determined after an experiment was conducted. Separate teams from around the world with no reason to lie (since they gain nothing by doing so) have agreed on this. By the time we learn of something in the general public lots and lots of scientific teams, mostly NOT working in connection with on another, have determined whether or not a theory is even possible, much less reasonable.
No one's been to another planet. True. But probes have been sent, which run experiments and send back information. And it doesn't take a genius to know that the a planet that is 100 times colder than anything on Earth probably doesn't have life since everything we already know tells us a certain biosphere is needed, one which is missing at that temperature. And again, NO ONE has actually said they KNOW for sure that there is NO LIFE on other planets in our solar system. In fact they believe its quite possible that there are some places that may very well have life. Europa is a good example. Microbial life is another example.
Climate change: Just because its incredibly slow does not mean that it cannot be detected and quantified. It just means that the experiments to do so will take much longer to do. For example a photographic study of ice shelves across the world has shown that clearly visible tons of ice are missing every year. That is an example of slowly increasing temperatures. Slow enough for us not to "feel' it in our bodies, but fast enough that it's affecting the ice shelves.
I'm hearing a lot of insinuations of "how could they know that? Are they making it up?" in this thread. This is made up of ignorance of the facts and overlooking or misinterpreting other facts.
No, they come up with a theory/ a question, and then run an experiment, which gives them some facts, and then they extrapolate and build on that, and so on...They're not just making shit up. As a matter of fact scientists are highly offended and turn on each other very sharply when they find out that someone "made something up".
2 + 2 will always = 4. Always. I don't need faith to tell me that. I run the experiment 2 + 2 and guess what? It = 4. And if I ask a Bedouin in Arabia or Chilean near the south pole what 2 + 2 is he/she will tell me 4.
So yes, they're clever. Being in denial of science makes you dumb. Instead, why don't you go out and actually find out WHY they believe what they believe. Do that first and then you can dispute it. At that point you'll be making an "educated" guess, as opposed to an "uninformed" conclusion. You'll also be able to make posts about whether or not they claim to know things you think they do, but they really don't.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 12, 2018 21:52:26 GMT
Since no one's ever seen a dinosaur and yet they know when they lived, how their bones fit together and which were around during the same time. They even know that a asteroid killed them all even though no one was around to witness it.
Also no one's ever been to any other planet, and yet they know which ones don't contain life in our solar system, and some how they know Venus is acidic even though no one's been there.
I'm telling you, that's clever.
they even know about global warming even though it's something you can't directly observe. You can directly observe it. I give one example in my previous post.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 22:15:52 GMT
they even know about global warming even though it's something you can't directly observe. You can directly observe it. I give one example in my previous post. the melting of the ice shelves may not be from global warming. Or maybe it is, just not global warming as we understand it. Or maybe global warming is real but the earth compensates for it so theres no real trouble.
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Post by Caesar Roberto on Dec 13, 2018 3:56:33 GMT
Well said. It's not so much scientists being clever, more like the general population being very easily convinced despite being little to no proof of such things we can't possibly know the answers to as humans, such as the the extinction of dinosaurs, the big bang, how big the galaxy is and the distance between planets etc It amazes me at how gullible people are to just totally accept these ridiculous figures that are shown to them just because they come from scientists. People don't seem to stop and think just how long 65 million years is. Like world history seems to get rather cloudy what, like 1000 years ago or so, yet they are totally willingly to an event happening 65 million years ago as fact. Like how could they possibly have calculated that? Why 65 million and not 64 or 66? Why not 1 billion? They could really just pick any. They're all just arbitrary numbers. The truth is we don't know. As cool as the idea of dinosaurs are, we don't know when or if they existed. What I want to know is whether scientists have somehow convinced themselves to believe these "facts" too, or whether they know it's all very iffy but are just too afraid to speak out at fear of looking bad by their peers. i may have asked you already, but forgot, so bear with me: do you believe people were on the Moon? I don't know, obviously. How could I? There is not enough proof to believe whether we have or have not. inb4 you reply with the go to comeback "Nasa showed us filmed proof"
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Post by Caesar Roberto on Dec 13, 2018 4:22:50 GMT
 I know sarcasm can be hard to detect in text form, but I'm pretty sure the OP is being satirical. Making fun. Oh I was. Thank you for noticing. But honestly the truth is as much as we might not like to admit it "scientism" is a religion. In the same way we get on the case of religious people for believing everything the scriptures tell them, many atheist believe everything that scientists tell them.
Exactly! That's my big issue with atheists (or "gnostic atheists" specifically). They act all superior to religious people and think they're so smart but really they're just the polar opposites of religious people. It's like they think just because religious people are wrong that in order to be right they have to do the exact opposite, rather than use their actual brains and realize the truth is somewhere in the middle. You're right, it pretty much is another religion. Never thought of it that way. "Scientism" I like it I have no idea man. Perhaps they have some method that they "think" they are calculating these things, or perhaps they just pull the figures out of their ass. Either way who can prove them wrong? All they have to do is put the "facts" out there and people will blindly accept them. It's really sad. Magic is required to believe the stuff in the bible, so I suppose magic is also required to believe everything in the science books. Yeah. It's like they just found a huge crater and think "Oh that must be what caused the extinction of dinosaurs". Like how lol? It's even worse with the big bang. "What caused nothingness to become something?" Scientists: "Nothing exploded and became something". Yeah, that makes a lot of sense... It's nice to finally see someone with some sense on here.  What was your name on IMDb?
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Post by Nora on Dec 13, 2018 4:42:13 GMT
i may have asked you already, but forgot, so bear with me: do you believe people were on the Moon? I don't know, obviously. How could I? There is not enough proof to believe whether we have or have not. inb4 you reply with the go to comeback "Nasa showed us filmed proof" ok
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Post by Farside on Dec 13, 2018 5:14:28 GMT
Atheism is a religion because it is a belief system which presumes to know something about our reality. The difference is it is without a God or group of Gods and Goddesses. Instead it works like a lottery system. But the world and the universe is too well organized to be without purpose.
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Post by Stammerhead on Dec 13, 2018 9:10:11 GMT
Once we get those time machines and interstellar drives sorted out we'll be able to prove them wrong.
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