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Post by Skaathar on Dec 12, 2018 16:10:39 GMT
Nah, WW didn't have better vfx. Sure it didn't have anything as bad as the rhinos but neither did it have anything as beatiful as the Wakanda flyby or the car chase scene. And to be fair, WW is a good movie, but BP tops it mostly due to the fact that it lacks good villains. she had better vfx. to keep it fair remember both movies had issues with effects but wonder woman was less problematic. the complains was the movie had too much in the end in effects. BP was just bad and poor effects. poor effects is a worse complain than too much effects. her home land was as beautiful and the cinematography uplifted the effect to BP where everything looks too CGI..a problem for the mcu If BP had a better villain, what of the argument that WW was a stronger lead hero and black panther himself was overshadowed in his own film? also what of chris pine who got the same attention as killmonger? what of the chemistry of WW and Steve to BP and the chick whose name I cannot remember that had less? ross and jack from titanic will side with WW? Thanks for reminding me of WW's final fight. That seals it: BP did have better vfx. CGI Ares is worse than cgi Rhinos. You're right that WW had more focus on its hero but that's probably the only thing it did better. Acting was better in BP from all actors, action was better, plot was better, supporting cast was better, pacing was better, emotional beats were better, fake accents were better, scenic shots were better, soundtrack was... ok I'll give that to WW. WW had a better romantic angle but quite a number of people actually prefer minimal romantics in these movies.
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Post by dazz on Dec 12, 2018 16:40:13 GMT
Your opinion is not law. So sorry. it is a law the Oscars is about recognised the best of films and when they don't they are useless. see the difference? I stated my reasons for WW. she had better vfx her plot wasn't as predictable. you don't even have an opinion. 1: That's not a law that yet again your opinion, your opinion IE the opinion of a pompous shithead who is so mentally deficient he keeps making the same cock up in differentiating between what is opinion and what is not.
2a:That reasoning is stupid beyond belief, most major Oscar contenders don't use much vfx and now they may seem better due to the limited amount and there by amount of time money and care given per frame but that's like saying racer A completed the first 1% of the race faster than anyone else so they deserve to be the winner even though they didn't complete the race at all.
2b:Also most Oscar films are very predictable hell what they will nominate is also predictable, predictable doesn't mean it's wrong so long as the reason why it was predictable is because the choices were obvious due to them being the best one, as opposed to you and your arguments which are equally predictable but not due to them being the obvious best ones but because you are such a plank you saying stupid shit and repeating the same bollocks is easy to see coming a mile away, see you are predictable because you are stupid and lazy that's when predictability is a problem it's the why that's the issue numb nuts.
3: Yes he does his opinion is you are once again saying your opinion is fact ok in this case law, and as such doesn't matter, see opinion learn what that is it'll help you.
PS please give this shit a rest for fuck sake do you ever post anything that isn't an attempt at taking shots at people who disagree with you? ffs dude if you hate these films so much ignore them and stay off this fucking board and stop trying to antagonise people, I dislike a lot of film series guess what I don't do, I don't keep visiting their discussions and shitting on it, because that's cúntish behaviour, try not being one ok?
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 12, 2018 16:54:37 GMT
it is a law the Oscars is about recognised the best of films and when they don't they are useless. see the difference? I stated my reasons for WW. she had better vfx her plot wasn't as predictable. you don't even have an opinion. 1: That's not a law that yet again your opinion, your opinion IE the opinion of a pompous shithead who is so mentally deficient he keeps making the same cock up in differentiating between what is opinion and what is not.
2a:That reasoning is stupid beyond belief, most major Oscar contenders don't use much vfx and now they may seem better due to the limited amount and there by amount of time money and care given per frame but that's like saying racer A completed the first 1% of the race faster than anyone else so they deserve to be the winner even though they didn't complete the race at all.
2b:Also most Oscar films are very predictable hell what they will nominate is also predictable, predictable doesn't mean it's wrong so long as the reason why it was predictable is because the choices were obvious due to them being the best one, as opposed to you and your arguments which are equally predictable but not due to them being the obvious best ones but because you are such a plank you saying stupid shit and repeating the same bollocks is easy to see coming a mile away, see you are predictable because you are stupid and lazy that's when predictability is a problem it's the why that's the issue numb nuts.
3: Yes he does his opinion is you are once again saying your opinion is fact ok in this case law, and as such doesn't matter, see opinion learn what that is it'll help you.
PS please give this shit a rest for fuck sake do you ever post anything that isn't an attempt at taking shots at people who disagree with you? ffs dude if you hate these films so much ignore them and stay off this fucking board and stop trying to antagonise people, I dislike a lot of film series guess what I don't do, I don't keep visiting their discussions and shitting on it, because that's cúntish behaviour, try not being one ok?
Summers8 is OBSESSED with BP. He includes BP in like every other thread he posts on. Heck, he even dragged BP into a discussion about Aquaman. I have no idea why he's so obsessed with it.
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Post by dazz on Dec 12, 2018 17:01:18 GMT
1: That's not a law that yet again your opinion, your opinion IE the opinion of a pompous shithead who is so mentally deficient he keeps making the same cock up in differentiating between what is opinion and what is not.
2a:That reasoning is stupid beyond belief, most major Oscar contenders don't use much vfx and now they may seem better due to the limited amount and there by amount of time money and care given per frame but that's like saying racer A completed the first 1% of the race faster than anyone else so they deserve to be the winner even though they didn't complete the race at all.
2b:Also most Oscar films are very predictable hell what they will nominate is also predictable, predictable doesn't mean it's wrong so long as the reason why it was predictable is because the choices were obvious due to them being the best one, as opposed to you and your arguments which are equally predictable but not due to them being the obvious best ones but because you are such a plank you saying stupid shit and repeating the same bollocks is easy to see coming a mile away, see you are predictable because you are stupid and lazy that's when predictability is a problem it's the why that's the issue numb nuts.
3: Yes he does his opinion is you are once again saying your opinion is fact ok in this case law, and as such doesn't matter, see opinion learn what that is it'll help you.
PS please give this shit a rest for fuck sake do you ever post anything that isn't an attempt at taking shots at people who disagree with you? ffs dude if you hate these films so much ignore them and stay off this fucking board and stop trying to antagonise people, I dislike a lot of film series guess what I don't do, I don't keep visiting their discussions and shitting on it, because that's cúntish behaviour, try not being one ok?
Summers8 is OBSESSED with BP. He includes BP in like every other thread he posts on. Heck, he even dragged BP into a discussion about Aquaman. I have no idea why he's so obsessed with it. Oh I know in one of the venom topics he kept trying to get me to argue with him over how good or bad BP was, despite me repeatedly telling him I do not like BP that much, it's overhyped and whatever, his demented little mind couldn't fathom how I could disagree with him over whatever bollocks he was spouting in that thread and not be slobbering fanboy over BP...dude has issues and im pretty sure he has a mental disorder as well.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 12, 2018 20:22:43 GMT
To be honest, I wasn't supporting Wonder Woman for Best Picture, I was supporting Logan. I was happy to see it nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay, and I think Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart were snubbed.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 12, 2018 22:07:52 GMT
Your opinion is not law. So sorry. it is a law the Oscars is about recognised the best of films and when they don't they are useless.
see the difference? I stated my reasons for WW. she had better vfx her plot wasn't as predictable. you don't even have an opinion. Sorry I'm tardy to the party but, wrong. It is not a law. The law does not enforce how the Oscars are organized or pick nominees. Otherwise, Harvey Weinstein would have been nailed twenty years ago.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 12, 2018 22:08:24 GMT
1: That's not a law that yet again your opinion, your opinion IE the opinion of a pompous shithead who is so mentally deficient he keeps making the same cock up in differentiating between what is opinion and what is not.
2a:That reasoning is stupid beyond belief, most major Oscar contenders don't use much vfx and now they may seem better due to the limited amount and there by amount of time money and care given per frame but that's like saying racer A completed the first 1% of the race faster than anyone else so they deserve to be the winner even though they didn't complete the race at all.
2b:Also most Oscar films are very predictable hell what they will nominate is also predictable, predictable doesn't mean it's wrong so long as the reason why it was predictable is because the choices were obvious due to them being the best one, as opposed to you and your arguments which are equally predictable but not due to them being the obvious best ones but because you are such a plank you saying stupid shit and repeating the same bollocks is easy to see coming a mile away, see you are predictable because you are stupid and lazy that's when predictability is a problem it's the why that's the issue numb nuts.
3: Yes he does his opinion is you are once again saying your opinion is fact ok in this case law, and as such doesn't matter, see opinion learn what that is it'll help you.
PS please give this shit a rest for fuck sake do you ever post anything that isn't an attempt at taking shots at people who disagree with you? ffs dude if you hate these films so much ignore them and stay off this fucking board and stop trying to antagonise people, I dislike a lot of film series guess what I don't do, I don't keep visiting their discussions and shitting on it, because that's cúntish behaviour, try not being one ok?
Summers8 is OBSESSED with BP. He includes BP in like every other thread he posts on. Heck, he even dragged BP into a discussion about Aquaman. I have no idea why he's so obsessed with it. Right? That was hilarious. He didn't even make any sense in that post.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 13, 2018 5:39:08 GMT
so wait not one mcu fan here supported wonder woman getting anything major?
interesting.... why is that
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 13, 2018 6:05:08 GMT
so wait not one mcu fan here supported wonder woman getting anything major? interesting.... why is that Because it wasn't nominated, dimwit. Had it been, I would have supported it wholeheartedly.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Dec 13, 2018 11:14:15 GMT
so wait not one mcu fan here supported wonder woman getting anything major? interesting.... why is that To be honest I never really thought it'd be possible. I supported The Dark Knight for a Best Picture nomination and saw those hopes dashed. Obviously there were different circumstances back then, seeing as they only had five spots. Which they expanded to ten because of the exclusion of The Dark Knight which I think is ironic considering how everyone felt about the Popular Film category.
So it's not that I didn't support it, the thought just never crossed my mind that it could actually happen. The Academy rarely, if ever, recognizes the comic book/superhero genre in anything major. I can say that I was pleasantly surprised by the inclusion of Logan in the Adapted Screenplay category and in retrospect, I would have loved a nomination for Patty Jenkins for Director. And I damn sure would've welcomed a Best Picture nomination. But I don't know if it'd be deserved. It might just be my comic book bias.
The same situation with Black Panther. It'd be great to see it nominated for Best Picture. #BP4BP. But would I replace say a nomination for 'If Beale Street Could Talk' with a nomination for BP? Certainly not. Just like I wouldn't have knocked Dunkirk out of best picture for Wonder Woman in 2017.. or even Logan for that matter.
As much as I love our superheroes and their movies, even the best ones have a final act that caters to the blockbuster crowd. Wonder Woman vs Ares, when it could've been a perfectly good war film without a God vs God showdown, especially when they already had a wonderful villain in Doctor Poison. Logan vs Logan. Every Marvel movie. In my opinion, the last great CBM to deserve Best Picture was The Dark Knight. Wonder Woman could've came close if it had stuck to being a war film, and even then it would've had to compete against the superior Dunkirk.
So yeah, I would've supported a nomination for Wonder Woman for Best Picture. But for completely selfish and bias reasons.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 13, 2018 12:08:06 GMT
see if you can find yourself supporting wonder woman getting an oscar for best picture Here you go ....
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Post by summers8 on Dec 13, 2018 15:50:00 GMT
so wait not one mcu fan here supported wonder woman getting anything major? interesting.... why is that Because it wasn't nominated, dimwit. Had it been, I would have supported it wholeheartedly. so before the Oscar was announced where you supporting WW? The 2019 Nominees have not yet been announced and you are hoping BP gets something major? was that you attitude towards WW? so let me dumb it down to MCU level. By this time last year of 2017. were you hoping WW will be nominated for major Oscars?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 13, 2018 15:51:23 GMT
I'm not taking the time to find the thread from a year ago but I stated;
"I'd rather see Wonder Woman win an Oscar than yet another indy film that nobody saw..."
Not that any of this matters because summers8 doesn't have the ability to hold Black Panther's awards hostage anyway.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 13, 2018 15:51:49 GMT
so wait not one mcu fan here supported wonder woman getting anything major? interesting.... why is that To be honest I never really thought it'd be possible. I supported The Dark Knight for a Best Picture nomination and saw those hopes dashed. Obviously there were different circumstances back then, seeing as they only had five spots. Which they expanded to ten because of the exclusion of The Dark Knight which I think is ironic considering how everyone felt about the Popular Film category.
So it's not that I didn't support it, the thought just never crossed my mind that it could actually happen. The Academy rarely, if ever, recognizes the comic book/superhero genre in anything major. I can say that I was pleasantly surprised by the inclusion of Logan in the Adapted Screenplay category and in retrospect, I would have loved a nomination for Patty Jenkins for Director. And I damn sure would've welcomed a Best Picture nomination. But I don't know if it'd be deserved. It might just be my comic book bias.
The same situation with Black Panther. It'd be great to see it nominated for Best Picture. #BP4BP. But would I replace say a nomination for 'If Beale Street Could Talk' with a nomination for BP? Certainly not. Just like I wouldn't have knocked Dunkirk out of best picture for Wonder Woman in 2017.. or even Logan for that matter.
As much as I love our superheroes and their movies, even the best ones have a final act that caters to the blockbuster crowd. Wonder Woman vs Ares, when it could've been a perfectly good war film without a God vs God showdown, especially when they already had a wonderful villain in Doctor Poison. Logan vs Logan. Every Marvel movie. In my opinion, the last great CBM to deserve Best Picture was The Dark Knight. Wonder Woman could've came close if it had stuck to being a war film, and even then it would've had to compete against the superior Dunkirk.
So yeah, I would've supported a nomination for Wonder Woman for Best Picture. But for completely selfish and bias reasons.
If. X2 Spider-Man 2 Batman Begins DOFP TWS Sin City V for Vendetta were not nominated for best picture. why exactly would it be great to see BP get nominated?
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Dec 13, 2018 15:55:35 GMT
Do you have a blog? You’d be a killer blogger.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 13, 2018 17:05:10 GMT
I'm not taking the time to find the thread from a year ago but I stated; "I'd rather see Wonder Woman win an Oscar than yet another indy film that nobody saw..." Not that any of this matters because summers8 doesn't have the ability to hold Black Panther's awards hostage anyway. you can find it. search your post around dec-jan and if you truly said so. then sure, I will support you supporting BP getting an Oscar
I am pretty fair and keep to my word just link me where u said it
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Post by summers8 on Dec 13, 2018 17:06:12 GMT
Do you have a blog? You’d be a killer blogger. Am a lawyer. all I am doing is equity and keeping it fair.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 13, 2018 17:06:59 GMT
Because it wasn't nominated, dimwit. Had it been, I would have supported it wholeheartedly. so before the Oscar was announced where you supporting WW? The 2019 Nominees have not yet been announced and you are hoping BP gets something major? was that you attitude towards WW? so let me dumb it down to MCU level. By this time last year of 2017. were you hoping WW will be nominated for major Oscars? I never supported BP before it was nominated. What now troll?
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Dec 13, 2018 17:16:44 GMT
Do you have a blog? You’d be a killer blogger. Am a lawyer. all I am doing is equity and keeping it fair. Huh? I just mean I think you’d excel at composing lengthier argument posts in a blog-like setting. And then you could just link those here. I mean, I’d probably read it.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Dec 14, 2018 0:01:50 GMT
To be honest I never really thought it'd be possible. I supported The Dark Knight for a Best Picture nomination and saw those hopes dashed. Obviously there were different circumstances back then, seeing as they only had five spots. Which they expanded to ten because of the exclusion of The Dark Knight which I think is ironic considering how everyone felt about the Popular Film category.
So it's not that I didn't support it, the thought just never crossed my mind that it could actually happen. The Academy rarely, if ever, recognizes the comic book/superhero genre in anything major. I can say that I was pleasantly surprised by the inclusion of Logan in the Adapted Screenplay category and in retrospect, I would have loved a nomination for Patty Jenkins for Director. And I damn sure would've welcomed a Best Picture nomination. But I don't know if it'd be deserved. It might just be my comic book bias.
The same situation with Black Panther. It'd be great to see it nominated for Best Picture. #BP4BP. But would I replace say a nomination for 'If Beale Street Could Talk' with a nomination for BP? Certainly not. Just like I wouldn't have knocked Dunkirk out of best picture for Wonder Woman in 2017.. or even Logan for that matter.
As much as I love our superheroes and their movies, even the best ones have a final act that caters to the blockbuster crowd. Wonder Woman vs Ares, when it could've been a perfectly good war film without a God vs God showdown, especially when they already had a wonderful villain in Doctor Poison. Logan vs Logan. Every Marvel movie. In my opinion, the last great CBM to deserve Best Picture was The Dark Knight. Wonder Woman could've came close if it had stuck to being a war film, and even then it would've had to compete against the superior Dunkirk.
So yeah, I would've supported a nomination for Wonder Woman for Best Picture. But for completely selfish and bias reasons.
If. X2 Spider-Man 2 Batman Begins DOFP TWS Sin City V for Vendetta were not nominated for best picture. why exactly would it be great to see BP get nominated? That’s my point. With the exception of maybe V for Vendetta, I don’t believe any of those films deserved to be nominated for best picture. Black Panther, Wonder Woman, and Logan included. There hasn’t been a CBM worthy of a nomination since The Dark Knight. But we shouldn’t compare what deserves to be nominated now to what WASN’T nominated then. The whole reason to change the Best Picture to ten spots was because of TDKs blatant omission back in 2008. Since then they’ve used those extra spots for more indies, or arthouse blockbusters like Dunkirk and The Shape of Water. And can either of us truly say that WW deserved to be in the same category as Dunkirk? Why would it be great to see BP nominated? Because of my bias love of comic book films. The same reason it would’ve been great to see Wonder Woman or Logan nominated. Not because they truly deserve it over other films, but because I love CBMs and would enjoy seeing them get more recognition. Do I wish it all started with TDK? Hell yeah. And it would’ve been well deserved. But if this is what opens the doors to more awards recognition for the genre we all love, then so be it.
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