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Post by politicidal on Dec 14, 2018 1:03:51 GMT
Summers8 is OBSESSED with BP. He includes BP in like every other thread he posts on. Heck, he even dragged BP into a discussion about Aquaman. I have no idea why he's so obsessed with it. Oh I know in one of the venom topics he kept trying to get me to argue with him over how good or bad BP was, despite me repeatedly telling him I do not like BP that much, it's overhyped and whatever, his demented little mind couldn't fathom how I could disagree with him over whatever bollocks he was spouting in that thread and not be slobbering fanboy over BP...dude has issues and im pretty sure he has a mental disorder as well. Nonsense, he's a lawyer and we all know now that lawyers are sensible intelligent people.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Dec 14, 2018 7:20:19 GMT
So MCU fans can we make a deal? we all will support black panther getting an Oscar recognition in an important category on one condition. Can any of you MCU fans shows us past post of you yourself. saying wonder woman should get best picture. there is the saying that it is not the sin that was the problem, it is usually the hypocrisy that comes later so MCU fans, go on the dc boards, search for yourself from page 20+ that should take you to the December to January times or so and see if you can find yourself supporting wonder woman getting an oscar for best picture when some people were pushing for it. if you can then I will fully support and not make truthful jokes of black panther getting a best picture nomination. I think that is a fair and just solution for Black Panther.Sheesh, you're really obsessed with the whole Oscar nonsense. It's just a meaningless reward. Nothing will change it BP gets a nomination or not. There are better things in life.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Dec 14, 2018 18:50:24 GMT
Do you have a blog? You’d be a killer blogger. Am a lawyer. all I am doing is equity and keeping it fair. Ha, a lawyer. That's the most hilarious thing I've read today. Thanks for that.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 14, 2018 19:08:45 GMT
Am a lawyer. all I am doing is equity and keeping it fair. Ha, a lawyer. That's the most hilarious thing I've read today. Thanks for that. cant say I blame you. everything about the mcu is joke. I like talking about all media/entertainment things related including how shitty the oscars can be sometimes
also you should have gotten the memo by now. this is what lawyers do, they give ultimatums and reverse the problems on their opponents. clearly you mcu fans are in the lossing end. you lost the case. since none of you indeed supported WW for oscars.meaning you cannot support Black Panther. its not even law, its science since your brain must kick in on the common sense.
lawyers win cased by exposing historicises and inconsistencies in other words MCU fans right now. LMAO
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Dec 14, 2018 19:24:42 GMT
Ha, a lawyer. That's the most hilarious thing I've read today. Thanks for that. cant say I blame you. everything about the mcu is joke. I like talking about all media/entertainment things related including how shitty the oscars can be sometimes
also you should have gotten the memo by now. this is what lawyers do, they give ultimatums and reverse the problems on their opponents. clearly you mcu fans are in the lossing end. you lost the case. since none of you indeed supported WW for oscars.meaning you cannot support Black Panther. its not even law, its science since your brain must kick in on the common sense.
lawyers win cased by exposing historicises and inconsistencies in other words MCU fans right now. LMAO
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 14, 2018 20:55:59 GMT
Am a lawyer. all I am doing is equity and keeping it fair. Ha, a lawyer. That's the most hilarious thing I've read today. Thanks for that. Last time I checked, lawyers at least knew the difference between fact and opinion...
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Dec 14, 2018 22:13:55 GMT
Ha, a lawyer. That's the most hilarious thing I've read today. Thanks for that. cant say I blame you. everything about the mcu is joke. I like talking about all media/entertainment things related including how shitty the oscars can be sometimes
also you should have gotten the memo by now. this is what lawyers do, they give ultimatums and reverse the problems on their opponents. clearly you mcu fans are in the lossing end. you lost the case. since none of you indeed supported WW for oscars.meaning you cannot support Black Panther. its not even law, its science since your brain must kick in on the common sense.
lawyers win cased by exposing historicises and inconsistencies in other words MCU fans right now. LMAO
Where'd you go to law school?? Dumbass's Law? I heard it's pretty tough to get in. You gotta be a really special kind of stupid to get in.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 23:16:57 GMT
No deal. Some of us have never even been to the DCEU board. I hate the DCEU movies too, except for Wonder Woman which I really liked.
Black Panther, I really liked too, but I saw him once in a cartoon in the 90's and then three times over three movies in the last two years. I've liked Wonder Woman since I was a kid. She way outranks Black Panther in importance to me.
If Wonder Woman got a little something something at the Oscars (something other than Best Picture, which I don't see it winning anymore than Black Panther) and I didn't think it stole the away from a more deserving nominee, then I'd be pretty damn proud.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 15, 2018 0:08:21 GMT
Ha, a lawyer. That's the most hilarious thing I've read today. Thanks for that. Last time I checked, lawyers at least knew the difference between fact and opinion... Apparently, there are a couple “lawyers” on this superhero movie forum ... and neither dunderhead can formulate a compelling argument. Imagine summer8 before a judge, trying to convince him that all the evidence indicating that Black Panther is one of the best movies of the year, should be dismissed ... and his opinion be treated as fact. I dont think that judges laugh very often in court, but that might be the exception.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Dec 15, 2018 0:53:23 GMT
Ha, a lawyer. That's the most hilarious thing I've read today. Thanks for that. cant say I blame you. everything about the mcu is joke. I like talking about all media/entertainment things related including how shitty the oscars can be sometimes
also you should have gotten the memo by now. this is what lawyers do, they give ultimatums and reverse the problems on their opponents. clearly you mcu fans are in the lossing end. you lost the case. since none of you indeed supported WW for oscars.meaning you cannot support Black Panther. its not even law, its science since your brain must kick in on the common sense.
lawyers win cased by exposing historicises and inconsistencies in other words MCU fans right now. LMAO
Saying someone can’t support Black Panther for an Oscar nomination because they didn’t support Wonder Woman is illogical. Are you saying that WW and BP are the same? They are two completely different films. It’s like saying you can’t support Honda if you don’t support Chrysler. And that you can’t drive at all now. All because they are both car companies does not mean they are the same thing and are bound by the same opinions. By that logic it would mean that we couldn’t have supported Wonder Woman for a nomination if we had also supported Dunkirk. Because clearly Dunkirk is the superior war film. So how could we support an inferior product? For the record, I didn’t “support” WW for an Oscar nomination. But I also wasn’t against it. I would have been happy if it had received one, especially Patty Jenkins for Best Director. Same with BP. I don’t think it’s Best Picture worthy but I’m not against it getting nominated. It’d be nice to see another comic book film featured in a major category. But if it doesn’t get nominated, I won’t be disappointed, and I certainly wouldn’t be surprised.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 15, 2018 7:40:56 GMT
Ha, a lawyer. That's the most hilarious thing I've read today. Thanks for that. Last time I checked, lawyers at least knew the difference between fact and opinion... it is of fact that no comic movie has ever gotten a best picture nomination.
it is of fact that logan is the closest we have gotten that earned it on merit. even real marvel and dc fans came together to support logan and cheered when it was recognised. it was a huge moment for all comic fans.
it is of fact black panther is undeserving and disney and the media are now playing the race card and overhyping the film to get it
that is fact not an opinon.
having opinions doesnt get you anywhere, having opinions with hard factual evidence does.
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 15, 2018 8:21:02 GMT
Last time I checked, lawyers at least knew the difference between fact and opinion... it is of fact that no comic movie has ever gotten a best picture nomination.
it is of fact that logan is the closest we have gotten that earned it on merit. even real marvel and dc fans came together to support logan and cheered when it was recognised. it was a huge moment for all comic fans.
it is of fact black panther is undeserving and disney and the media are now playing the race card and overhyping the film to get it
that is fact not an opinon.
having opinions doesnt get you anywhere, having opinions with hard factual evidence does. 1 out of 3 isn't bad in baseball, but pretty horrible here. Without using someone else's Opinion or your Opinion. Provide us with the objective evidence for the 2 bolded statements. I'll give you a hint. With the first fact you could produce the list of nominations from 2018 back to the beginning of the oscars to prove it. That is objective evidence.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 15, 2018 9:13:40 GMT
it is of fact that no comic movie has ever gotten a best picture nomination.
it is of fact that logan is the closest we have gotten that earned it on merit. even real marvel and dc fans came together to support logan and cheered when it was recognised. it was a huge moment for all comic fans.
it is of fact black panther is undeserving and disney and the media are now playing the race card and overhyping the film to get it
that is fact not an opinon.
having opinions doesnt get you anywhere, having opinions with hard factual evidence does. 1 out of 3 isn't bad in baseball, but pretty horrible here. Without using someone else's Opinion or your Opinion. Provide us with the objective evidence for the 2 bolded statements. I'll give you a hint. With the first fact you could produce the list of nominations from 2018 back to the beginning of the oscars to prove it. That is objective evidence. evidence.
the hard evidence was logan was indeed nominated for best adapted screenplay, the second most prestigious category for film after best picture.
it was eanred on merit because when we all saw the movie we all said this was an oscar type movie. that was the reception of the film by everyone who saw it. we were proven right.
evidence for black panther as undeserving.
1. For MCU movies, it is of fact winter solider is their most prestigious movie. it is their most acclaimed movie, if winter solider was not nominated why should balck panther? meaning it if of fact black panther is undeserving. you can not give anyone an award when their work is lesser. also to extend this for all comic movies. the majority of opinions we have heard and said we have had better movies.
xmen fans have proven they have better movies than black panther with their story telling, appriach to social themes and villians to name a few. so has dc fans.
factually the effects of DOFP and spiderman 2 is better than black panther.
factually the story and depth of first class or batman begins is better than black panther. too. because black panther keeps is basic while DOFP and batman begins dint keep it basic but explore their stories.
so how does black panther deserve it?Lastly the media is hyping it. want factual evinces
deadline ran a piece that black panther should be a contender, please can you show me a piece of them doing it for other comic movies.EW said the movie is also a contender. abc or cbs news have said the only way to make Oscars relevant is to nominate the movie
the media is pushing for it for diversity reasons and because the media had a bias to marvel. we know disney is campaign hard to the point they even tried to introduce a shitty popular category.you call it objective evidences so can u tell m why this 5 movies were never considered or given any push.
1. X2 2. Spiderman 2
3. Batman Begins 4. DOFP 5. TDKR
Also now that you are considering black panther, did you consider this movies when they were released.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 15, 2018 10:30:10 GMT
Last time I checked, lawyers at least knew the difference between fact and opinion... it is of fact that no comic movie has ever gotten a best picture nomination. it is of fact that logan is the closest we have gotten that earned it on merit. even real marvel and dc fans came together to support logan and cheered when it was recognised. it was a huge moment for all comic fans.
it is of fact black panther is undeserving and disney and the media are now playing the race card and overhyping the film to get it
that is fact not an opinon. having opinions doesnt get you anywhere, having opinions with hard factual evidence does.
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 15, 2018 10:55:26 GMT
1 out of 3 isn't bad in baseball, but pretty horrible here. Without using someone else's Opinion or your Opinion. Provide us with the objective evidence for the 2 bolded statements. I'll give you a hint. With the first fact you could produce the list of nominations from 2018 back to the beginning of the oscars to prove it. That is objective evidence.
Ok we started off with a fact. Good to go.
And we are back to a Opinion.
Lets define Opinion one more time: a view or judgment formed about something. Words like best, better are subjective terms.
First to make "we all said" you would have to provide everyone's opinion on the movie for this to be a fact. So "we all said" isn't a factual statement. Proof that "we all said" isn't factual is I didn't think it was an "oscar type movie". So that out of the way. The reception of a movie is the Opinions of a group. So not a fact. Now if you said that it received a 8.1 on IMDB. That's a factual statement, but the 8.1 is based on peoples opinion. See how that works?
Prestigious: inspiring respect and admiration; having high status. Respect and Admiration is peoples opinion on a movie. Acclaim: praise enthusiastically and publicly.
Praise and admiration are peoples actions based on their opinions. If you Think a movie is good you praise it and admire it. Now not to confuse. There are facts about peoples opinions. It's peoples opinion when the rate, nominate, give a thumbs up or thumbs down on a movie. It's all opinion, but you can say that 400,000+ people gave a movie a 7.1 rating on a website. That's a fact based on the opinion. The Rating is still an opinion but the fact that it got a 7.1 is provable.The statement of most acclaimed isn't factual statement about peoples opinions on the movie. If it was the most acclaimed MCU movie it would have the most praise. For it have the most praise it would have the most/highest of these: Nominations for Awards, Higher Rating on IMDB, Highest Critics Rating, etc. If it doesn't lead everyone of those things then it's not the most acclaimed/praised. Winter Soldier was Nominated for 26 awards.marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Captain_America:_The_Winter_Soldier/AwardsAvengers was Nominated for 54 awardsmarvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/The_Avengers/AwardsWinter Soldier IMDB Rating 7.8Guardians of the Galaxy IMDB Rating 8.1
Winter Soldier Rotten Tomatoes 89% with a 7.6 out of 10. Winter Soldier Rotten Tomatoes Audience 92% with 4.3 out of 5
Guardians of the Galaxy Rotten Tomatoes 91% with a 7.8 out of 10.
Guardians of the Galaxy Rotten Tomatoes Audience 92% with 4.4 out of 5
The opinion of some of X-men fans think they have better movies. It's their opinion that the storytelling is better, I don't know what appriach is. It's their opinion their villains are better. Again the term Better is a subjective term/word. Some people's opinions that the effects in DOFP and Spiderman 2 is better than Black Panther. Better is a subjective term. Special Effects and Cinematography is the closest to judging art. Judging art is in the eye of the beholder. You can't say the Mona Lisa is better than The Weeping Woman. You could factually say that Leonardo followed the rules of portrait painting and that Picasso didn't. Following the rules and being photo-realistic doesn't mean it's a better portrait. The Story and Depth of those movies is better in the Opinion of some. It's some people's opinion that Black Panther's story is basic and DOFP and Batman Begins didn't keep it basic. Again better is a subjective term.Easy it's the writer of the articles OPINION that Black Panther is a contender. They didn't have any writers willing to say that their OPINION that other comic book movies should be. It's your opinion that the media is pushing it for diversity reasons. For it to be a fact that the medias reason they are pushing it is diversity, you would have to show where each person's opinion is based on diversity. It's a fact that Disney has campaigned for Black Panther for the nomination. That is a fact. You can provide objective evidence for them campaigning. It's your opinion that they tried to create the Popular Category to get Black Panther a nomination. It's other peoples opinion is that ABC did it because they didn't have a big Ratings grabber. They lost a lot of their big rating grabbing events. They paid for the rights of Oscars for 5 years. So if the ratings start to drop (which has been some of the lowest in history) then they are screwed, so they wanted to introduce the new category to raise ratings.
And there probably multiple reasons why those 5 didn't get a push. My opinion on why they weren't? People didn't consider Comic Book Movies to be the type of movies to get nominated for non-technical awards.
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 15, 2018 11:03:50 GMT
sorry about the weird bolding. It was supposed to be more selective I must've screwed up some of the bold tags.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 15, 2018 11:51:34 GMT
Ok we started off with a fact. Good to go.
And we are back to a Opinion.
Lets define Opinion one more time: a view or judgment formed about something. Words like best, better are subjective terms.
First to make "we all said" you would have to provide everyone's opinion on the movie for this to be a fact. So "we all said" isn't a factual statement. Proof that "we all said" isn't factual is I didn't think it was an "oscar type movie". So that out of the way. The reception of a movie is the Opinions of a group. So not a fact. Now if you said that it received a 8.1 on IMDB. That's a factual statement, but the 8.1 is based on peoples opinion. See how that works?
Prestigious: inspiring respect and admiration; having high status. Respect and Admiration is peoples opinion on a movie. Acclaim: praise enthusiastically and publicly.
Praise and admiration are peoples actions based on their opinions. If you Think a movie is good you praise it and admire it. Now not to confuse. There are facts about peoples opinions. It's peoples opinion when the rate, nominate, give a thumbs up or thumbs down on a movie. It's all opinion, but you can say that 400,000+ people gave a movie a 7.1 rating on a website. That's a fact based on the opinion. The Rating is still an opinion but the fact that it got a 7.1 is provable.The statement of most acclaimed isn't factual statement about peoples opinions on the movie. If it was the most acclaimed MCU movie it would have the most praise. For it have the most praise it would have the most/highest of these: Nominations for Awards, Higher Rating on IMDB, Highest Critics Rating, etc. If it doesn't lead everyone of those things then it's not the most acclaimed/praised. Winter Soldier was Nominated for 26 awards.marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Captain_America:_The_Winter_Soldier/AwardsAvengers was Nominated for 54 awardsmarvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/The_Avengers/AwardsWinter Soldier IMDB Rating 7.8Guardians of the Galaxy IMDB Rating 8.1
Winter Soldier Rotten Tomatoes 89% with a 7.6 out of 10. Winter Soldier Rotten Tomatoes Audience 92% with 4.3 out of 5
Guardians of the Galaxy Rotten Tomatoes 91% with a 7.8 out of 10.
Guardians of the Galaxy Rotten Tomatoes Audience 92% with 4.4 out of 5
The opinion of some of X-men fans think they have better movies. It's their opinion that the storytelling is better, I don't know what appriach is. It's their opinion their villains are better. Again the term Better is a subjective term/word. Some people's opinions that the effects in DOFP and Spiderman 2 is better than Black Panther. Better is a subjective term. Special Effects and Cinematography is the closest to judging art. Judging art is in the eye of the beholder. You can't say the Mona Lisa is better than The Weeping Woman. You could factually say that Leonardo followed the rules of portrait painting and that Picasso didn't. Following the rules and being photo-realistic doesn't mean it's a better portrait. The Story and Depth of those movies is better in the Opinion of some. It's some people's opinion that Black Panther's story is basic and DOFP and Batman Begins didn't keep it basic. Again better is a subjective term.Easy it's the writer of the articles OPINION that Black Panther is a contender. They didn't have any writers willing to say that their OPINION that other comic book movies should be. It's your opinion that the media is pushing it for diversity reasons. For it to be a fact that the medias reason they are pushing it is diversity, you would have to show where each person's opinion is based on diversity. It's a fact that Disney has campaigned for Black Panther for the nomination. That is a fact. You can provide objective evidence for them campaigning. It's your opinion that they tried to create the Popular Category to get Black Panther a nomination. It's other peoples opinion is that ABC did it because they didn't have a big Ratings grabber. They lost a lot of their big rating grabbing events. They paid for the rights of Oscars for 5 years. So if the ratings start to drop (which has been some of the lowest in history) then they are screwed, so they wanted to introduce the new category to raise ratings.
And there probably multiple reasons why those 5 didn't get a push. My opinion on why they weren't? People didn't consider Comic Book Movies to be the type of movies to get nominated for non-technical awards. YOU ARE IN DENIAL.
WOW......So we are back to rotten tomatoes. please remember to add an extra 10-15% for other comic movies not in the MCU. lol.. mcu fans are still using rotten tomatoes after their own movies fisaco and last jedi and even black panther? when most credible film makers and film fans dont take it seriously.
please remember gladiator a well deserves best picture oscar film has an rt score of 70%. MCU fans have become obsessed with opinions..however remember a blind and obsessive opinions is not a factual opinon. I can have an opinion trump lost the election. lol. people form opinions based on what they see fctually. and there are level will judge things. if that was not true the world wont have ladders we humans need to climb to reach the top and life goals.
When I said winter solider was your most prestigious and acclaimed movie it had to do with content and film making. not what rt says. this is like school again isnt. it is an opinion of a and d graded essays, there are no facts to why the teacher made the opinion to score two student different grades.
funny you think GOTG is more acclimed so why do most and if not all MCU fans always try to use winter solider to show MCU can be as good as X2 or even Batamn begins. they dont use GOTG.
most people have the opinions DOFP and spiderman 2 are better because we can see why. there is more story telling, deeper characters arcs , more director control and better vfx.
Also it was not my opinon of the disney abc oscar popular catergory. it was revealed disney asked abc to make the category. dude, how can you be in such denial? here is the facts
Disney-Owned ABC Pushed for Those New Academy Award Changes, Marking a Battle for the Oscars’
Soul
ABC and Disney Reportedly Pushed for New 'Best Popular Film' Oscar
Also special effects and cinematography is worse with black panther. logan, X2, First class , BB, TDKR had better cinematography because their movies dont look like cartoons and their camera angle were more realistic since their movies were grounded. I wont even go anywhere with effects. hm, you are right those top 5 films i mentioned were not pushed so why is black panther then?
funny I used to think you were one of the level headed mcu fans but clearly the black panther laughable oscar talk has pushed you over the edge to full on mcu fanatic. who lie all the time and dont want to accept the obvious. look how fan you have falling. you factually said ledger only won because he died now you are saying it is all opinon and we need proof for black panther and it is not about race? LMAO.
See this is what happen when you like and defend mediocre movies, you loose your brain and cant even follow your own rules.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 15, 2018 11:55:49 GMT
Ha, a lawyer. That's the most hilarious thing I've read today. Thanks for that. Last time I checked, lawyers at least knew the difference between fact and opinion... lawyers know by facts when he/she is going to win a case because to the lawyer's opinion the evidence that makes his opinions much stronger is quite clear to win the case
it will be a world wide universal opinion that black panther will be the most undeserving movie to ever get a major oscar recognition if it gets any.
a world wide opinion based on factual evidence it was generic movie.
sorry. notice how MCU fans cant say the movie is even worthy. LMAO. that is what makes black panther no logan or tdk.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 15, 2018 15:13:09 GMT
it will be a world wide universal opinion that black panther will be the most undeserving movie to ever get a major oscar recognition if it gets any. Sorry, crystal ball predictions are not admissible in court. However, if you have evidence of a “worldwide universal opinion” that Black Panther does not deserve all the recognition it is currently getting from many other prestigious award organizations, then we can reasonably infer that this worldwide universal opinion would carry over to the Oscars. Acceptable evidence would be a worldwide poll. Unacceptable evidence would be links to the opinion of a few individuals. You have your marching orders, put up or shut up. I’ve noticed that a number of MCU fans have already said that, in their opinion, Black Panther is not quite Best Picture material. I’ve already said it. The thing is, we’re not so delusional that we consider our opinion to be fact. Since Black Panther is racking up an impressive list of nominations, all across the film industry, the evidence indicates that our opinion is simply wrong. Adults can admit it, and tip their hat to Black Panther’s success. Children stomp their feet and have month long temper tantrums on an Internet forum. You should change your avatar to this ....
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 15, 2018 15:16:30 GMT
it will be a world wide universal opinion that black panther will be the most undeserving movie to ever get a major oscar recognition if it gets any. Sorry, crystal ball predictions are not admissible in court. However, if you have evidence of a “worldwide universal opinion” that Black Panther does not deserve all the recognition it is currently getting from many other prestigious award organizations, then we can reasonably infer that this worldwide universal opinion would carry over to the Oscars. Acceptable evidence would be a worldwide poll. Unacceptable evidence would be links to the opinion of a few individuals. You have your marching orders, put up or shut up. I’ve noticed that a number of MCU fans have already said that, in their opinion, Black Panther is not quite Best Picture material. I’ve already said it. The thing is, we’re not so delusional that we consider our opinion to be fact. Since Black Panther is racking up an impressive list of nominations, all across the film industry, the evidence indicates that our opinion is simply wrong.Adults can admit it, and tip their hat to Black Panther’s success. Children stomp their feet have month long temper tantrums on an Internet forum. Eh, not necessarily. But it's a piece to look at, for sure.
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