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Post by Aj_June on Dec 12, 2018 16:57:45 GMT
Here in India, I like Siya (Shia) Muslim denomination much better than Sunni Islam. Siya Muslims of India are relatively more progressive than Sunni Muslims and more moderate.
That said the same distinction may not be true everywhere.
I once knew a Syrian girl who was an Alawite. I was astonished to hear from her that she believed in rebirth. I think rebirth would be considered haraam in most sects of Islam. But after doing a bit of googling on Alawites I came to know that rebirth is a very important part of their belief system.
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Post by clusium on Dec 12, 2018 18:36:08 GMT
Islam has almost as many denominations & sects as Christianity does.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 12, 2018 18:48:17 GMT
Kurds.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Dec 12, 2018 20:05:08 GMT
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Post by Cody™ on Dec 12, 2018 21:29:48 GMT
The Kurds are an ethnicity not a religious denomination.
Kurds can be either Sunni, Shia or Alawites.
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 13, 2018 3:14:13 GMT
They maintain their identity in face of all the problems! |
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 13, 2018 18:35:44 GMT
The Kurds are an ethnicity not a religious denomination. Kurds can be either Sunni, Shia or Alawites. That is true in theory however a Kurdish identity renders other identities less valuable for majority of the Kurds. They are hated community by most others. If you are Kurdish then Kurdish is the tag people in Arabia put on you. It doesn't matter a lot if you are a Sunni Kurdish or a Shia Kurdish. I didn't put Sufism for the exact reason you mentioned regarding Kurds. Anyone can be Sufi - It's just an approach to gain knowledge. A Sunni can be a Sufi and a Shia can be a Sufi too. But in the case of Sufism, the Sufism identity doesn't overwrite all other identities. People are still identified as Sunni or Shia. Not so much in case of Kurds. |
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Post by Cody™ on Dec 13, 2018 18:45:31 GMT
The Kurds are an ethnicity not a religious denomination. Kurds can be either Sunni, Shia or Alawites. That is true in theory however a Kurdish identity renders other identities less valuable for majority of the Kurds. They are hated community by most others. If you are Kurdish then Kurdish is the tag people in Arabia put on you. It doesn't matter a lot less if you are a Sunni Kurdish or a Shia Kurdish. I didn't put Sufism for the exact reason you mentioned regarding Kurds. Anyone can be Sufi - It's just an approach to gain knowledge. A Sunni can be a Sufi and a Shia can be a Sufi too. But in the case of Sufism, the Sufism identity doesn't overwrite all other identities. People are still identified as Sunni or Shia. Not so much in case of Kurds. Your post makes very little sense. Any Muslim can become a Sufi because it is a form of religious practice within Islam. Muslims cannot just become a Kurd because it’s an ethnicity. |
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 13, 2018 18:54:36 GMT
That is true in theory however a Kurdish identity renders other identities less valuable for majority of the Kurds. They are hated community by most others. If you are Kurdish then Kurdish is the tag people in Arabia put on you. It doesn't matter a lot less if you are a Sunni Kurdish or a Shia Kurdish. I didn't put Sufism for the exact reason you mentioned regarding Kurds. Anyone can be Sufi - It's just an approach to gain knowledge. A Sunni can be a Sufi and a Shia can be a Sufi too. But in the case of Sufism, the Sufism identity doesn't overwrite all other identities. People are still identified as Sunni or Shia. Not so much in case of Kurds. Your post makes very little sense. Any Muslim can become a Sufi because it is a form of religious practice within Islam. Muslims cannot just become a Kurd because it’s an ethnicity. Yes, that is true and no where I said otherwise. I counted Kurdish as denomination because in the larger picture they are talked about as people with their own unique identity. They are not talked about in sense of Sunni Kurdish or Shia Kurdish. They are always talked separately from Shia or Sunni as a group on its own. Even if they can be shia Kurdish or Sunni Kurdish. |
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Post by Cody™ on Dec 13, 2018 19:05:40 GMT
Your post makes very little sense. Any Muslim can become a Sufi because it is a form of religious practice within Islam. Muslims cannot just become a Kurd because it’s an ethnicity. Yes, that is true and no where I said otherwise. I counted Kurdish as denomination because in the larger picture they are talked about as people with their own unique identity. They are not talked about in sense of Sunni Kurdish or Shia Kurdish. They are always talked separately from Shia or Sunni as a group on its own. Even if they can be shia Kurdish or Sunni Kurdish. What part of Kurdish people are an ethnicity not a religious denomination are you failing to grasp? Unique indentity? What does that even mean?! The Kurds are related to the Iranian peoples. Being a Kurd has absolutely nothing to do with a religious identity. |
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 13, 2018 19:15:25 GMT
Yes, that is true and no where I said otherwise. I counted Kurdish as denomination because in the larger picture they are talked about as people with their own unique identity. They are not talked about in sense of Sunni Kurdish or Shia Kurdish. They are always talked separately from Shia or Sunni as a group on its own. Even if they can be shia Kurdish or Sunni Kurdish. What part of Kurdish people are an ethnicity not a religious denomination are you failing to grasp? Unique indentity? What does that even mean?! The Kurds are related to the Iranian peoples. Being a Kurd has absolutely nothing to do with a religious identity. And I already agreed that they are strictly not a religiously denomination. But they have a special place in Arab world and irrespective of whether they are Sunni Kurdish or Siya Kurdish, they are simply seen as Kurdish. If you are Kurdish in Arabia then that is your most important identity. It is of very little consequence whether you follow Shia Islam or Sunni Islam. You are treated just as a Kurdish. |
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Post by Cody™ on Dec 13, 2018 19:26:40 GMT
What part of Kurdish people are an ethnicity not a religious denomination are you failing to grasp? Unique indentity? What does that even mean?! The Kurds are related to the Iranian peoples. Being a Kurd has absolutely nothing to do with a religious identity. And I already agreed that they are strictly not a religiously denomination. But they have a special place in Arab world and irrespective of whether they are Sunni Kurdish or Siya Kurdish, they are simply seen as Kurdish. If you are Kurdish in Arabia then that is your most important identity. It is of very little consequence whether you follow Shia Islam or Sunni Islam. You are treated just as a Kurdish. LOL WTF else do you suggest they be seen as?! Leprechauns?! They are identified as Kurdish in the Arab world, in the same way they’re identified as Kurdish in countries like Turkey and Armenia because that is their ethnic origin. If they’re not ethnically Arab, Turkish or Armenian then obviously they’re going to be distinguished separately in those regions. |
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 13, 2018 19:31:30 GMT
And I already agreed that they are strictly not a religiously denomination. But they have a special place in Arab world and irrespective of whether they are Sunni Kurdish or Siya Kurdish, they are simply seen as Kurdish. If you are Kurdish in Arabia then that is your most important identity. It is of very little consequence whether you follow Shia Islam or Sunni Islam. You are treated just as a Kurdish. LOL WTF else do you suggest they be seen as?! Leprechauns?! They are identified as Kurdish in the Arab world, just as they’re identified as Kurdish in countries like Turkey and Armenia because that is what their ethnicity is. I am suggesting that they are not seen as Shia or Sunni even if they are. They are primarily seen mainly as Kurdish only. Their religious denomination takes second place behind their Kurdish identity. Does not happen to most other people in Arab. Most others in Arab are seen either as Shia or Sunni or any other sub sects of those two. |
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Post by Cody™ on Dec 13, 2018 19:36:27 GMT
LOL WTF else do you suggest they be seen as?! Leprechauns?! They are identified as Kurdish in the Arab world, just as they’re identified as Kurdish in countries like Turkey and Armenia because that is what their ethnicity is. I am suggesting that they are not seen as Shia or Sunni even if they are. They are primarily seen mainly as Kurdish only. Their religious denomination takes second place behind their Kurdish identity. Does not happen to most other people in Arab. Most others in Arab are seen either as Shia or Sunni or any other sub sects of those two. You’re all over the place. So you pretty much acknowledge that they’re identified by their ethnicity and culture and not by religious denomination. So why the heck do you have them down as a denomination of Islam in your poll? |
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 13, 2018 19:40:00 GMT
I am suggesting that they are not seen as Shia or Sunni even if they are. They are primarily seen mainly as Kurdish only. Their religious denomination takes second place behind their Kurdish identity. Does not happen to most other people in Arab. Most others in Arab are seen either as Shia or Sunni or any other sub sects of those two. You’re all over the place. So you pretty much acknowledge that they’re identified by their ethnicity and culture and not by religious denomination. So why the heck do you have them down as a denomination of Islam in your poll? Because they are seen as such in popular culture even if it is wrong to see them as religious denomination. Of course they are not religious denomination and in the very first post to you I acknowledged that. I have given them a place in my poll choices because their chosen religious denomination is generally disregarded by most Arabs and they are recognised only as Kurds who speak in their Kurdish tongue. The non-Kurdish Arabs have a high degree of contempt for them. |
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Post by Vegas on Dec 14, 2018 1:14:08 GMT
Any of the ones that want to blow my shit up.. regardless of denomination.  |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 14, 2018 1:23:11 GMT
The ones that like bacon.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 14, 2018 3:45:34 GMT
The Mia Khalifa sect.
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Post by phludowin on Dec 14, 2018 8:33:14 GMT
I'm not very familiar with Islam, so I didn't vote.
If I had to pick one, I'd check how they treat women, homosexuals, and apostates.
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Post by goz on Dec 15, 2018 2:17:36 GMT
The ones with the nicest carpets.
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