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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 18:34:21 GMT
For starters, we don't need a Batgirl movie. She's a supporting character. I don't think she's really interesting enough to carry her own film. Same goes for Nightwing. Second, getting the guy who's directed the two highest grossing films of the MCU thus far, just seems really uninspired. ah. well I will say it seems WB rather than expanding outwards to other heroes, are retracting a bit and moving through anything Batman related (SS2, GCS, Batgirl, Nightwing).....again where is my flash movie?!?! Guess it's just gonna be the Batman Cinema Universe now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 18:36:07 GMT
I think Whedon's more than proved his feminist credentials, though, right? I mean, he is responsible for Buffy the Vampire Slayer and has generally endorsed works that espouse tolerant views on social issues. He's also got an impeccable resume (well, in recent history) when it comes to super hero stuff. I think he'll do a good job on the Batgirl movie and that, if not, it won't be because of his gender. well he got in "trouble" for a quip in AoU and the whole Black Widow 'i'm a monster' line. Which is baffling considering you can tell she thinks of herself as a monster as far back as the first The Avengers, and no, it has nothing to do with her being sterile despite how strongly that misconception has pervaded.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 30, 2017 18:39:01 GMT
ah. well I will say it seems WB rather than expanding outwards to other heroes, are retracting a bit and moving through anything Batman related (SS2, GCS, Batgirl, Nightwing).....again where is my flash movie?!?! Guess it's just gonna be the Batman Cinema Universe now. yeah maybe, a bit disappointing if it all goes down that road, now they do have Shazam, Black Adam, JL: Dark, Green Lantern Corps., and a Cyborg film (which I still think will become a Teen Titans film.....please be that) in the works. and at the moment all the films listed here and in the previous post are in pre-production, but I think SS2 and GCS are the furthest along.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 18:40:24 GMT
Guess it's just gonna be the Batman Cinema Universe now. yeah maybe, a bit disappointing if it all goes down that road, now they do have Shazam, Black Adam, JL: Dark, Green Lantern Corps., and a Cyborg film (which I still think will become a Teen Titans film.....please be that) in the works. and at the moment all the films listed here and in the previous post are in pre-production, but I think SS2 and GCS are the furthest along. Did they un-cancel Cyborg? Last time I checked, they cancelled that one.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 30, 2017 18:43:42 GMT
yeah maybe, a bit disappointing if it all goes down that road, now they do have Shazam, Black Adam, JL: Dark, Green Lantern Corps., and a Cyborg film (which I still think will become a Teen Titans film.....please be that) in the works. and at the moment all the films listed here and in the previous post are in pre-production, but I think SS2 and GCS are the furthest along. Did they un-cancel Cyborg? Last time I checked, they cancelled that one. cancelled or "delayed?"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 18:45:44 GMT
Did they un-cancel Cyborg? Last time I checked, they cancelled that one. cancelled or "delayed?" The word I heard being passed around was "cancelled", but I didn't really look into it, myself. I had no reason to disbelieve the user who posted about it on the original IMDb boards.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 30, 2017 18:48:18 GMT
I think Whedon's more than proved his feminist credentials, though, right? I mean, he is responsible for Buffy the Vampire Slayer and has generally endorsed works that espouse tolerant views on social issues. He's also got an impeccable resume (well, in recent history) when it comes to super hero stuff. I think he'll do a good job on the Batgirl movie and that, if not, it won't be because of his gender. well he got in "trouble" for a quip in AoU and the whole Black Widow 'i'm a monster' line. Wait, what happened? Can you just bring me up to speed real quick? Didn't know there were "issues" at Disney, thought he left on good terms with them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 18:50:33 GMT
well he got in "trouble" for a quip in AoU and the whole Black Widow 'i'm a monster' line. Wait, what happened? Can you just bring me up to speed real quick? Didn't know there were "issues" at Disney, thought he left on good terms with them. Basically, a bunch of feminists got upset about Widow's "I'm a monster" line. He did leave on terms with Disney. It's just SJWs that have been hassling Whedon for a while because they think Widow was calling herself a monster for being rendered sterile. It's a maddeningly common misconception.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 30, 2017 18:55:02 GMT
well he got in "trouble" for a quip in AoU and the whole Black Widow 'i'm a monster' line. Wait, what happened? Can you just bring me up to speed real quick? Didn't know there were "issues" at Disney, thought he left on good terms with them. well I think there was a "Prima Nocta" joke Tony made which rubbed some people the wrong way, and then people heavily misinterpreted the line where Black Widow says that she's a monster, thinking that they mean she's a monster for being barren, rather than her feeling she's a monster because of how much she allowed of herself to be taken......it all became a twitter war and he just deleted or closed account....etc. then I think he had an issue with how AoU wasn't what he intended, he wanted the farm sequences, but in order to keep them he needed to include some magic Jacuzzi scenes as well.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 30, 2017 18:57:34 GMT
yeah maybe, a bit disappointing if it all goes down that road, now they do have Shazam, Black Adam, JL: Dark, Green Lantern Corps., and a Cyborg film (which I still think will become a Teen Titans film.....please be that) in the works. and at the moment all the films listed here and in the previous post are in pre-production, but I think SS2 and GCS are the furthest along. There's still a Wonder Woman movie, and an Aquaman movie which both have confirmed release dates at the moment. I'm holding out hope that this news about a Batgirl movie is just an early April Fools joke (probably not though).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 18:58:31 GMT
Wait, what happened? Can you just bring me up to speed real quick? Didn't know there were "issues" at Disney, thought he left on good terms with them. well I think there was a "Prima Nocta" joke Tony made which rubbed some people the wrong way, and then people heavily misinterpreted the line where Black Widow says that she's a monster, thinking that they mean she's a monster for being barren, rather than her feeling she's a monster because of how much she allowed of herself to be taken......it all became a twitter war and he just deleted or closed account....etc. then I think he had an issue with how AoU wasn't what he intended, he wanted the farm sequences, but in order to keep them he needed to include some magic Jacuzzi scenes as well. In other words, it was a classic case of modern feminism's tendency to shoot first and ask questions later. It wasn't so much that he disliked how AoU turned out as that was just Whedon being overly-critical of his work as he always is. The Norn spring scene's original version is not that good and I'm glad Disney made him change it.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 30, 2017 19:00:46 GMT
Wait, what happened? Can you just bring me up to speed real quick? Didn't know there were "issues" at Disney, thought he left on good terms with them. Basically, a bunch of feminists got upset about Widow's "I'm a monster" line. He did leave on terms with Disney. It's just SJWs that have been hassling Whedon for a while because they think Widow was calling herself a monster for being rendered sterile. It's a maddeningly common misconception. That's Whedon's fault. As a big fan of him and his work, even I didn't care for that scene. He directed it and wrote it wrong. He should've known better. I'm also pretty sure he didn't leave on good terms. He gave several interviews complaining about being hamstringed too much by executive meddling. He mentioned it wasn't a positive experience.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 30, 2017 19:01:30 GMT
Thanks for the insight, both of you. It sounds like it mainly predicated on the misunderstanding of the Widow line and then a bunch of peripheral bullshit? re: the "Prima Nocta" thing: was that just an ad-lib by RDJ? That sounds like it was just an ad-lib by RDJ.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 19:03:21 GMT
Basically, a bunch of feminists got upset about Widow's "I'm a monster" line. He did leave on terms with Disney. It's just SJWs that have been hassling Whedon for a while because they think Widow was calling herself a monster for being rendered sterile. It's a maddeningly common misconception. That's Whedon's fault. As a big fan of him and his work, even I didn't care for that scene. He directed it and wrote it wrong. He should've known better. I'm also pretty sure he didn't leave on good terms. He gave several interviews complaining about being hamstringed too much by executive meddling. He mentioned it wasn't a positive experience. I disagree. If people weren't always rearing for a fight so much, they wouldn't take offense at the dumbest things. I can't comment one way or another on what went on behind the scenes, because I've heard too many conflicting reports.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 19:04:37 GMT
Thanks for the insight, both of you. It sounds like it mainly predicated on the misunderstanding of the Widow line and then a bunch of peripheral bullshit? re: the "Prima Nocta" thing: was that just an ad-lib by RDJ? That sounds like it was just an ad-lib by RDJ. Not sure. I'd have to look that up, but I've never heard of any ad-libs making their way into AoU.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 30, 2017 19:07:43 GMT
well I think there was a "Prima Nocta" joke Tony made which rubbed some people the wrong way, and then people heavily misinterpreted the line where Black Widow says that she's a monster, thinking that they mean she's a monster for being barren, rather than her feeling she's a monster because of how much she allowed of herself to be taken......it all became a twitter war and he just deleted or closed account....etc. then I think he had an issue with how AoU wasn't what he intended, he wanted the farm sequences, but in order to keep them he needed to include some magic Jacuzzi scenes as well. In other words, it was a classic case of modern feminism's tendency to shoot first and ask questions later. It wasn't so much that he disliked how AoU turned out as that was just Whedon being overly-critical of his work as he always is. The Norn spring scene's original version is not that good and I'm glad Disney made him change it. it's not really "modern feminism" but simply people who pick up the moniker of being a feminist but with the inability to listen and analyze. original version? was it released on bluray?
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 30, 2017 19:09:46 GMT
Hopefully he learned something from that. I think getting a man to direct a female-led CBM is asking for trouble in general. Any little mistake in the direction taken with the character will be under especially heavy scrutiny because of it. As much as I can't stand this stupid misconception that there's a difference between male and female directors (which completely goes against the ideals of gender equality), they're better off not taking the risk by having a man direct a Batgirl movie. Actually, it doesn't. Equality does not mean exact duplicate. I'm equal in worth to, say, Michael Jordan. But I am in no way even close to being the same as him. We can be equal and different at the same time. They're not mutually exclusive. It's not a misconception to believe a female director would approach a female character from a different angle than a male director would. Or that a black director would see a black character differently from a white director. Or an Indian director. Or a gay director vs a straight director.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 30, 2017 19:09:54 GMT
yeah maybe, a bit disappointing if it all goes down that road, now they do have Shazam, Black Adam, JL: Dark, Green Lantern Corps., and a Cyborg film (which I still think will become a Teen Titans film.....please be that) in the works. and at the moment all the films listed here and in the previous post are in pre-production, but I think SS2 and GCS are the furthest along. There's still a Wonder Woman movie, and an Aquaman movie which both have confirmed release dates at the moment. I'm holding out hope that this news about a Batgirl movie is just an early April Fools joke (probably not though). well yeah there are those two, but i'm talking about a tad further into the future.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 19:09:58 GMT
In other words, it was a classic case of modern feminism's tendency to shoot first and ask questions later. It wasn't so much that he disliked how AoU turned out as that was just Whedon being overly-critical of his work as he always is. The Norn spring scene's original version is not that good and I'm glad Disney made him change it. it's not really "modern feminism" but simply people who pick up the moniker of being a feminist but with the inability to listen and analyze. original version? was it released on bluray? That actually sounds like modern feminism to me. It's probably on the Bluray, but I saw it on YouTube. Basically, instead of just having Thor see a vision and then getting the information explained later, Thor is taken over by the Norn spring and it speaks through him with Selvig recording it.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 30, 2017 19:13:34 GMT
That's Whedon's fault. As a big fan of him and his work, even I didn't care for that scene. He directed it and wrote it wrong. He should've known better. I'm also pretty sure he didn't leave on good terms. He gave several interviews complaining about being hamstringed too much by executive meddling. He mentioned it wasn't a positive experience. I disagree. If people weren't always rearing for a fight so much, they wouldn't take offense at the dumbest things. I can't comment one way or another on what went on behind the scenes, because I've heard too many conflicting reports. I disagree with that. I wasn't looking for any fight but still thought the scene was badly executed. Along with the primma nocta quip. For a guy who prided himself on his feminist views, those were two bad blows. I'd say the reason the fallout was so big was because of those views. People felt he should've known better. Like someone fighting for civil rights making a bad "colored" joke. He scripted an unintentionally bad scene. The only reports I've heard are about him not enjoying his experience with AoU. I'm sure he's probably mellowed out since, but his immediate reaction was an unpleasant one. He said he was done with them because of the interference.
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