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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 20, 2018 18:13:23 GMT
1) No, it isn't. 2) You don't believe in the Bible, so why would you get your panties in a wad over someone not following the Bible? Bryce... You know you've crossed a threshold when Erjen is making you look stupid. ERJEN!! Oops.Sorry, Erjen.  No problem, Vegas. I mean MISTER Vegas.  . |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 20, 2018 18:26:23 GMT
2) You don't believe in the Bible, so why would you get your panties in a wad over someone not following the Bible? ^ Uh...because I'm obviously NOT (according to this very logic that you are using). To the entire board: This has been tried before many times, folks. It failed. It will always fail. The Captain's thread was doomed before he started it. He's claiming that believers are shirking a duty if they don't harangue nonbelievers until they believe. Matthew 10:4 makes junk out of that claim. And....if people should take him up on his little "challenge" here, he will quickly do the old reality rotation to put them on the defensive, after which they will be expected to justify why they believe. I'm happy to see that no one is falling for a trap as old and moldy as this one. To Bryce: If you think we've wronged you in some way, get a cheap attorney and sue us. I for one am getting very tired of your garbage. I don't care if you don't believe. I don't care if you go to hell. You had your time and you did with it what you wanted to do, and you can see what comes of it later on. If God thinks I'm not fulfilling my obligation to you as a Christian then God can tell me Himself, and not Captain Bryce. |
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Post by captainbryce on Dec 20, 2018 18:39:49 GMT
I stopped reading at the point when you said I have a duty to convert people, Did you also stop reading the bible when Jesus commanded his disciples to go and make disciples of all nations? How about when Paul said to do the work of an evangelist? Matthew 9:37-3837 Then he said to his disciples, “The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few. 38 Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field. Matthew 28:19-20Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Luke 12:8I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God. Romans 10:14-1514 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” 2 Corinthians 5:2020 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 1 Peter 3:15But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, Colosians 4:5-65 Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. 6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone. 2 Timothy 4:5But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. I imagine there's a lot of the bible that you'd have to stop reading in order to be comfortable with your lack of interest in proselyting. I personally would be offended if someone changed their religious beliefs based on something I said as opposed to doing their own research, religion is far too personal to let someone else dictate it to you. I seems that neither Jesus nor Paul would have been particularly concerned with your "offense" in this case, as they valued spreading the gospel as a much higher priority. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 20, 2018 18:44:55 GMT
I stopped reading at the point when you said I have a duty to convert people, Did you also stop reading the bible when Jesus commanded his disciples to go and make disciples of all nations? How about when Paul said to do the work of an evangelist? Matthew 9:37-3837 Then he said to his disciples, “The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few. 38 Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field. Matthew 28:19-20Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Luke 12:8I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God. Romans 10:14-1514 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” 2 Corinthians 5:2020 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 1 Peter 3:15But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, Colosians 4:5-65 Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. 6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone. 2 Timothy 4:5But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. I imagine there's a lot of the bible that you'd have to stop reading in order to be comfortable with your lack of interest in proselyting. I personally would be offended if someone changed their religious beliefs based on something I said as opposed to doing their own research, religion is far too personal to let someone else dictate it to you. I seems that neither Jesus nor Paul would have been particularly concerned with your "offense" in this case, as they valued spreading the gospel as a much higher priority. Bwahahaha!!! |
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Post by captainbryce on Dec 20, 2018 18:44:59 GMT
To Bryce: .....I don't care if you go to hell....If God thinks I'm not fulfilling my obligation to you as a Christian then God can tell me Himself, and not Captain Bryce. I wouldn't expect you to care if someone else goes to hell or not "Christian who thinks God talks to him".  |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 20, 2018 18:58:16 GMT
To Bryce: .....I don't care if you go to hell....If God thinks I'm not fulfilling my obligation to you as a Christian then God can tell me Himself, and not Captain Bryce. I wouldn't expect you to care if someone else goes to hell or not "Christian who thinks God talks to him". Depends on the someone. I wasn't talking about a random someone. I was talking about you, because you're the devious individual who started this underhanded thread. As I've stated many times in the past, I concern myself with the people who still have a chance. I don't waste time on the ones who are already gone. Other than that detail which had to be cleared up, I can't think of anything else to say at the moment except enjoy your life, Captain Bryce. |
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 20, 2018 19:11:29 GMT
I wouldn't expect you to care if someone else goes to hell or not "Christian who thinks God talks to him". Depends on the someone. I wasn't talking about a random someone. I was talking about you, because you're the devious individual who started this underhanded thread. As I've stated many times in the past, I concern myself with the people who still have a chance. I don't waste time on the ones who are already gone. Other than that detail which had to be cleared up, I can't think of anything else to say at the moment except enjoy your life, Captain Bryce. Do I have some chance? Keep in mind that I am mostly interested in indulging in material pleasures.
Did you try out Sushi yet?
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Post by gadreel on Dec 20, 2018 19:48:45 GMT
I stopped reading at the point when you said I have a duty to convert people, Did you also stop reading the bible when Jesus commanded his disciples to go and make disciples of all nations? How about when Paul said to do the work of an evangelist? Matthew 9:37-3837 Then he said to his disciples, “The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few. 38 Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field. Matthew 28:19-20Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Luke 12:8I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God. Romans 10:14-1514 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” 2 Corinthians 5:2020 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 1 Peter 3:15But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, Colosians 4:5-65 Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. 6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone. 2 Timothy 4:5But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. I imagine there's a lot of the bible that you'd have to stop reading in order to be comfortable with your lack of interest in proselyting. I personally would be offended if someone changed their religious beliefs based on something I said as opposed to doing their own research, religion is far too personal to let someone else dictate it to you. I seems that neither Jesus nor Paul would have been particularly concerned with your "offense" in this case, as they valued spreading the gospel as a much higher priority. I don't follow the political control commands that men wrote into the bible I do not believe that political control has any bearing on spirituality. |
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Post by goz on Dec 20, 2018 20:53:30 GMT
The concept that you can't have any evidence to support your faith is absolutely retarded. Then there should be no problem in producing it for scrutiny, validity and logic. |
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Post by Vegas on Dec 20, 2018 20:56:05 GMT
The concept that you can't have any evidence to support your faith is absolutely retarded. I use the evidence of the past 10,000,000,000,000,000 sunrises to have faith that there will be another sunrise tomorrow. |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Dec 20, 2018 21:15:34 GMT
" Give a compelling reason for why we should have "faith" in god DESPITE the absence of evidence."
What absence of evidence?
Existence itself is awe-inspiring and a miracle.
If having a spark of consciousness in a flesh tube isn't enough evidence for you.. I don't know what to say.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 20, 2018 21:18:44 GMT
Depends on the someone. I wasn't talking about a random someone. I was talking about you, because you're the devious individual who started this underhanded thread. As I've stated many times in the past, I concern myself with the people who still have a chance. I don't waste time on the ones who are already gone. Other than that detail which had to be cleared up, I can't think of anything else to say at the moment except enjoy your life, Captain Bryce. Do I have some chance? Keep in mind that I am mostly interested in indulging in material pleasures.
Did you try out Sushi yet?
Yeah, I'd say so, Aj. You've still got some time left to reexamine your life. The thing I noticed about material pleasures is that they only give you contentment while you're indulging in them, so you have to keep indulging in them constantly. And no, I still haven't tried sushi yet. Hopefully one day I will, but if I don't it's not the worst thing that could happen to me. |
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Post by goz on Dec 20, 2018 22:36:12 GMT
Then there should be no problem in producing it for scrutiny, validity and logic. I use the evidence of the past 10,000,000,000,000,000 sunrises to have faith that there will be another sunrise tomorrow. You are probably right, however this has little to do with how or why this event might happen. |
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Post by goz on Dec 20, 2018 22:37:42 GMT
" Give a compelling reason for why we should have "faith" in god DESPITE the absence of evidence." What absence of evidence? Existence itself is awe-inspiring and a miracle. If having a spark of consciousness in a flesh tube isn't enough evidence for you.. I don't know what to say. What is the evidence that it has anything to do with 'God'? |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Dec 20, 2018 23:34:04 GMT
" Give a compelling reason for why we should have "faith" in god DESPITE the absence of evidence." What absence of evidence? Existence itself is awe-inspiring and a miracle. If having a spark of consciousness in a flesh tube isn't enough evidence for you.. I don't know what to say. What is the evidence that it has anything to do with 'God'? You mean 'Gods'. But if there is one all encompassing 'God' then I think that we're staring it in the face every moment we're awake or dreaming. Perhaps you should give me evidence that's not the case? It's like one cell not believing the body exists because 'I can't see it'... when in reality that's all it knows. |
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Post by gadreel on Dec 20, 2018 23:50:15 GMT
What is the evidence that it has anything to do with 'God'? You mean 'Gods'. But if there is one all encompassing 'God' then I think that we're staring it in the face every moment we're awake or dreaming. Perhaps you should give me evidence that's not the case? It's like one cell not believing the body exists because 'I can't see it'... when in reality that's all it knows. To be fair that is very much the God of the gaps, and I can completely understand the atheist view that this is simply an argument from incredulity. I think it is more reasonable to point out that you already believe and since you believe then you see evidence in Gods wonderous creation, but that is hardly any kind of proof to a sceptic.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Dec 20, 2018 23:57:45 GMT
You mean 'Gods'. But if there is one all encompassing 'God' then I think that we're staring it in the face every moment we're awake or dreaming. Perhaps you should give me evidence that's not the case? It's like one cell not believing the body exists because 'I can't see it'... when in reality that's all it knows. To be fair that is very much the God of the gaps, and I can completely understand the atheist view that this is simply an argument from incredulity. I think it is more reasonable to point out that you already believe and since you believe then you see evidence in Gods wonderous creation, but that is hardly any kind of proof to a sceptic.
I was an atheist before, it was depressing. 'I'm a cosmic fluke, it's all meaningless'. -- Lame. Now I believe in ALL the Gods. It's fucking awesome. |
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Post by goz on Dec 21, 2018 0:23:00 GMT
To be fair that is very much the God of the gaps, and I can completely understand the atheist view that this is simply an argument from incredulity. I think it is more reasonable to point out that you already believe and since you believe then you see evidence in Gods wonderous creation, but that is hardly any kind of proof to a sceptic.
I was an atheist before, it was depressing. 'I'm a cosmic fluke, it's all meaningless'. -- Lame. Now I believe in ALL the Gods. It's fucking awesome.  Choice of gods....awesome....pick an appropriate god and go with that for every different situation. It sounds just like me with shoes and handbags and jewellery. I like it....the God accessory!!!! |
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Post by gadreel on Dec 21, 2018 0:59:16 GMT
To be fair that is very much the God of the gaps, and I can completely understand the atheist view that this is simply an argument from incredulity. I think it is more reasonable to point out that you already believe and since you believe then you see evidence in Gods wonderous creation, but that is hardly any kind of proof to a sceptic.
I was an atheist before, it was depressing. 'I'm a cosmic fluke, it's all meaningless'. -- Lame. Now I believe in ALL the Gods. It's fucking awesome. Equal opportunity theism, yeah I think I am a fan. |
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 21, 2018 4:34:43 GMT
Do I have some chance? Keep in mind that I am mostly interested in indulging in material pleasures.
Did you try out Sushi yet?
Yeah, I'd say so, Aj. You've still got some time left to reexamine your life. The thing I noticed about material pleasures is that they only give you contentment while you're indulging in them, so you have to keep indulging in them constantly. And no, I still haven't tried sushi yet. Hopefully one day I will, but if I don't it's not the worst thing that could happen to me. I hope if there is a God then he/she considers people's intentions. I have not intended harm on anyone (just like many other non-believers like me who don't intend harm on others) so I hope we don't get judged for not doing enough to find God. Because if there is a god then the God too has done quite well to hide himself/herself.
Yeah, it won't be the worst thing you do if you never try sushi but you never know you may actually like it. I think we should try out things that are harmless. I am not one of those who preach that we should try out marijuana or drugs or too much alcohol. Those are mostly the addicts. I recommend doing harmless things in moderation. Like traveling, trying out global food etc.
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