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Post by ant-mac on Dec 25, 2018 9:11:48 GMT
Money isn't the only thing that can motivate people.
I've always consider Spacey to be one of the better actors in his profession.
Perhaps it's not just a living for him - perhaps it's a passion?
Oh, I am not saying that I want to see Spacey disappear from the acting profession and scene altogether. He is still being smeared with bulls<>t and I feel he needs to give it more time. Well, just look at how many second chances Mel Gibson has received after his various fuck-ups...
And if Spacey does wish to make a return, like you said, he probably needs to give it more time.
And he probably needs to choose a project that doesn't remind us quite so much of why he got into trouble in the first place.
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Post by poelzig on Dec 25, 2018 10:16:29 GMT
So taking a few minutes away from spewing hate about heterosexuals to comment on a member of your community? Awesome cheese. Spacey apologized to the now adult actor who said Spacey tried to rape him. Who would apologize for RAPING A KID if they thought they didn't do it? If you can be honest for a moment cheese tell me if you would apologize for something you didn't do? You would probably brag about getting a 14 year old drunk and molesting him so lets say it was a murder accusation. Would you say "Gosh I'm sorry if I murdered that 10 year old but I drink a lot and don't remember. My bad."? Try and be honest. If you listen closely to the villain music at the end, don't you hear a muffled "Help me I'm only 8."? That's part of the sick thrills with those freaks. Rubbing their perversion in everyones faces so to speak. Merry Christmas by the way or whatever you celebrate in Australia or Mongolia or wherever you stay. You homophobic troll, who buys into gay as being a separate community from the straight one—which is where, if there is a gay one?—in a condescending and contemptuous manner. Spacey said he had no recollection of the incident. He apologized to this very gay adult male, who looks as precious as sin, that IF his drunken actions caused him any grievance, or something of that sort. He has NOT admitted to anything regarding the incident outright. You are reading what you want into it. What Spacey did do, was use the accusation as a coming out sounding board.
Stop trying to make excuses for your own distorted judgements and for justifying your ignorance. It only makes you look more of a fool than you already are.
Hypocrite much? You have made numerous posts insulting heterosexuals. You said heterosexual males are effete because we prefer tits while "homosuperior just wants a big dick". Calling yourself superior is the worst type of sexism. You insist "there is no way that masturbation couldn't be considered anything but homo" which if I can interpret your bizarre syntax means in your delusional mind means anyone who jerks off is gay. That's patently false and those are just example from TODAY. You repeatedly use slurs like breeder and show contempt to heterosexuals Not to mention you call transgendered people mentally ill. It's obvious you're the one that's mentally ill with your delusions that every male that faps is gay. I won't even broach your racist comments that I'm somehow not really black because I laugh at hypocritical white liberals. It's painfully obvious you've never bothered to talk to anyone darker than snow if you think contempt of whites that see black folks as a fashion accessory makes me less black. That type of ignorant bullshit from shit stupid redneck trash like you makes me say stuff that gets me in trouble. If anything I tread lightly compared to how MANY African Americans feel about whites. Looking at you who can blame us? Do I say your stereotypical snarky every guy craves cock idiocy is so ridiculous it has to be an act? No I don't. Yet your stupid white boy ass thinks I'm not black because I don't show proper respect to you? You better hope there's a gay community because you're such a vile hateful asshole no other community would take you. Homosexuals or LGBT or whatever refer to themselves as a community but if I say it I'm homophobic? WTF?!! Google gay community you piece of bigoted excrement and one of the first links is to the official GLAAD organization with terms that are not be used because they are offensive to the GAY COMMUNITY. So GLAAD is homophobic you pathetic clown?!!!! You're incapable of carrying on a civil conversation and you side stepped my question by throwing a hissy fit. It's obvious you're cool with raping kids. I'm not so lets agree to disagree. If you were a man you would apologize but we both know bigots like you are in a state of constant denial.
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Post by Nora on Dec 25, 2018 17:40:08 GMT
Wow. I certainly did not expect that. But I did enjoy the video. A lot. He is such a great actor. However, I am afraid, he will face immense backlash because of this. But I am glad he appeared again and is not giving up acting. Plus… to me… somehow this video is better than the whole new HoC season. what are your thoughts? Oh and Merry Xmas everybody. What exactly are these Let's Be Frank videos Nora? Is this just something that Spacey has done, or a popular series of clips?
Spacey is one of the best actors around, always has been. Most of these accusations though I feel have been blown way out of proportion and I have no sympathy for a legally aged person of 18 or over who suddenly wants to claim sexual assault, when they were old enough to know what was happening to them and what they were doing at the time. When you go to a bar and get pissed and people all around you are pissed and all sorts of people are cracking onto each other, a grope is nothing to play victim s<>t over or make a fuss about. There are self-serving agendas all round here.
Its a clip where he is in his Frank Underwood character (the key figure on House of Cards, who is known for breaking the 4th wall and also being a ruthless criminal while high ranking politician). as far as I know he has not done any such clips before. Here he seems to use a lot of lines that can be taken as speaking about the show as well as his private life. and ads a bit of Moriarty at the end. love it.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Dec 25, 2018 17:59:46 GMT
When this video surfaced I didn't know how to react to it, and I still don't know how to react - total loss for words. I think this is the first time people have seen or heard of him in a long time, I remember coming across a story saying that it felt like he just disappeared from the face of the Earth.
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Post by Roberto on Dec 26, 2018 2:33:57 GMT
Who cares? Has that creep even done anything of note since Moon?
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Post by Nora on Dec 26, 2018 4:09:40 GMT
Its a clip where he is in his Frank Underwood character (the key figure on House of Cards, who is known for breaking the 4th wall and also being a ruthless criminal while high ranking politician). as far as I know he has not done any such clips before. Here he seems to use a lot of lines that can be taken as speaking about the show as well as his private life. and ads a bit of Moriarty at the end. love it. So this wasn't an actual clip from a filmed HOC's episode? I have never seen HOC's. It may have been a deleted scene perhaps and filmed a while ago.
Watching Spacey here, shows what a great actor he is, regardless of any dubious intentions that could be read into it.
no, thats what makes it so interesting. this was not filmed by Netflix neither is part of HoC, this was actually filmed just a few days ago, written by Spacey, directed by some wedding videographer guy it seems, see the alleged directors commentary here. Apparently his girlfriend left him after she found out he was filming Spacey. Well good for the guy, that wouldnt have been a good relationship anyway. yes this video shows what a remarkable actor he is and a more than a decent writer too.
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Post by Nora on Dec 26, 2018 4:23:06 GMT
Who cares? Has that creep even done anything of note since Moon? in my eyes, yes. I enjoyed both Horrible Bosses, I liked Margin Call, and I really liked Elvis vs Nixon. A lot of people liked Baby Driver too, I didnt. Plus he also produced Captain Phillips which I thought was a great movie. He is undoubtedly very talented, there is no reason he should be deprived of the ability to make a living doing what he is good at. EVEN IF he turns out to be a criminal. Given he gets his punishment and shows remorse. I hate when society has double standards and on one hand will fight for second chances for all sorts of offenders, or accept public figures who have committed violent or systemic crimes, on the other hand will destroy entire lives and livelihoods of people before the trial is even on. People who were at best charged with something. And more often than not didnt even use physical violence. Why is Tim Allen, the drug dealer who spent 2 years in jail a beloved tv personality? What about Will Smith who violently beat up/blinded someone? Marc Wahlberg, the attempted murderer? JayZ with his history of violence and stabbing people? Dany Trejo, who spent 11 years in jail? and the list could go on. If these men are allowed to successfully work in the show business I dont see any reason why Kevin Spacey shouldn't. Whats the difference?
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Post by Nora on Dec 26, 2018 5:23:44 GMT
no, thats what makes it so interesting. this was not filmed by Netflix neither is part of HoC, this was actually filmed just a few days ago, written by Spacey, directed by some wedding videographer guy it seems, see the alleged directors commentary here. Apparently his girlfriend left him after she found out he was filming Spacey. Well good for the guy, that wouldnt have been a good relationship anyway. yes this video shows what a remarkable actor he is and a more than a decent writer too. Nora , you have linked this thread, not the director's commentary. oh thank you. this is the commentary
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Post by Nora on Dec 26, 2018 5:28:00 GMT
He is undoubtedly very talented, there is no reason he should be deprived of the ability to make a living doing what he is good at. EVEN IF he turns out to be a criminal. Given he gets his punishment and shows remorse. I hate when society has double standards and on one hand will fight for second chances for all sorts of offenders, or accept public figures who have committed violent or systemic crimes, on the other hand will destroy entire lives and livelihoods of people before the trial is even on. People who were at best charged with something. And more often than not didnt even use physical violence. Spacey has sexual allegations involving a minor and while it could be considered a double standard, that is a no go zone in the eyes of most people.e radar himself then. If he wasn't famous, who would give a rats. yes, pedophilia is a no go zone, i get that. but the entire allegation has a completely different context. no need to reopen the debate here. i know what you mean. now that i have had the time to think about the video, watch it a few more times and reflect on it, i like it even more. i am glad someone stood up to the mob mentality if he thinks he is innocent. am i hoping her will be cleared of the charges and will act again? yes. would i have a problem watching him in movies even if he did do it and was found guilty? no. do i know its not a popular opinion? yes. but thats the way it is right now.
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Post by ant-mac on Dec 26, 2018 5:42:09 GMT
in my eyes, yes. I enjoyed both Horrible Bosses, I liked Margin Call, and I really liked Elvis vs Nixon. A lot of people liked Baby Driver too, I didnt. Plus he also produced Captain Phillips which I thought was a great movie. He is undoubtedly very talented, there is no reason he should be deprived of the ability to make a living doing what he is good at. EVEN IF he turns out to be a criminal. Given he gets his punishment and shows remorse. I hate when society has double standards and on one hand will fight for second chances for all sorts of offenders, or accept public figures who have committed violent or systemic crimes, on the other hand will destroy entire lives and livelihoods of people before the trial is even on. People who were at best charged with something. And more often than not didnt even use physical violence. Why is Tim Allen, the drug dealer who spent 2 years in jail a beloved tv personality? What about Will Smith who violently beat up/blinded someone? Marc Wahlberg, the attempted murderer? JayZ with his history of violence and stabbing people? Dany Trejo, who spent 11 years in jail? and the list could go on. If these men are allowed to successfully work in the show business I dont see any reason why Kevin Spacey shouldn't. Whats the difference? Spacey has sexual allegations involving a minor and while it could be considered a double standard, that is a no go zone in the eyes of most people. Most of the simpleton herd will look for anything though to keep someone down, due to their own insecurities and petty jealousies.
I am not big of this show remorse attitude that is pushed by the establishment. No-one has the right to force onto someone, how they should feel about something and how they should express it. We can't possibly know what others are feeling, even if we make misinformed judgements about what we think they may be feeling. Most people do have a conscience about things that they do that are considered questionable, only a narcissistic sociopath or psychopath wouldn't. I don't see Spacey as being either of these. He perhaps felt a bit entitled, but even the main allegation regrading this 14yr old at the time, Spacey wasn't even on the radar himself then. If he wasn't famous, who would give a rats. Personally, I think if he's tried and found guilty of a crime, then he should pay the appropriate penalty.
However, once he has paid his due to society, I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to return to his previous profession.
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Post by Nora on Dec 26, 2018 5:48:47 GMT
ant-mac thats exactly how i see it too. and thats how criminal law and criminal justice works, well in theory it should.
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Post by ant-mac on Dec 26, 2018 6:03:38 GMT
ant-mac thats exactly how i see it too. and thats how criminal law and criminal justice works, well in theory it should. Well, what's the point of having prisons if you're never going to forgive someone who has committed a crime or carried out some sort of wrong-doing?
If the person's going to be made to suffer, even after they've repaid their debt to society, then you might as well just take them out the back of the courthouse once they've been found guilty and shoot them.
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Post by Roberto on Dec 26, 2018 6:05:43 GMT
Who cares? Has that creep even done anything of note since Moon? in my eyes, yes. I enjoyed both Horrible Bosses, I liked Margin Call, and I really liked Elvis vs Nixon. A lot of people liked Baby Driver too, I didnt. Oh I forgot about Horrible Bosses. Yeah that movie was good. 👍 Haven't seen those others. That was a good movie but being one of the many producers doesn't mean too much. I wouldn't say very talented, that's a bit farfetched, but yes he is talented. His performance in American Beauty was really good. Society is fugged up. Some people who make mistakes are punished while others who commit far worse crimes are rewarded. It doesn't make sense. As for whether he should be allowed to act again I don't know, as I haven't been following his case so I don't know what exactly he was alleged of doing, or if what he was alleged to have done actually happened. I just know it was something to do with "rape" and some teenaged boy. But our stupid society often uses the word "rape" incorrectly. If it was rape rape, as in he forcefully raped the kid without consent, then he is a violent criminal should be locked up and not allowed to act (in big notable movies) any more. If it was just "statutory rape", where the kid gave consent, then that is nowhere near as bad the the first kind of "rape" and he should absolutely be allowed back to act (in big notable movies). I say big notable movies because I don't want to say Hollywood. Fugg Hollywood. I'm sure it's comprised of scum far worse than Spacey.
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Post by ant-mac on Dec 26, 2018 9:26:31 GMT
Personally, I think if he's tried and found guilty of a crime, then he should pay the appropriate penalty.
However, once he has paid his due to society, I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to return to his previous profession.
What crime is he guilty of though and what is an appropriate penalty? This tends to differ from case to case, court to court, land to land.
There is a statue of limitations in the US and he is not up on charges for sexual misconduct with a 14yr old, only an 18yr old from what I have researched at present.
1. I'm sure we'll find out in due course.
2. Don't ask me. I haven't been following this story that closely.
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Post by ant-mac on Dec 26, 2018 10:56:25 GMT
1. I'm sure we'll find out in due course.
2. Don't ask me. I haven't been following this story that closely.
We certainly will, after all the bulls<>t games have been played. This "me-too" thing is more about a witch hunt than anything and the irony is, it is instigated largely by witches. The MeToo movement is nothing like a witch hunt. And it's instigated by Humans. However, I do believe it needs to be conducted in a more rational and reasonable manner, that is more in keeping with the practices of the modern type of justice system that is present in many advanced countries.
A real witch hunt - which can still occur even in modern times - can involve torture that can leave permanent physical and psychological marks and various forms of execution that are both abhorrent and horrific. And I think witchcraft is no better or worse than many other religious or supernatural beliefs.
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Post by ant-mac on Dec 26, 2018 12:19:12 GMT
The MeToo movement is nothing like a witch hunt. And it's instigated by Humans. However, I do believe it needs to be conducted in a more rational and reasonable manner, that is more in keeping with the practices of the modern type of justice system that is present in many advanced countries.
A real witch hunt - which can still occur even in modern times - can involve torture that can leave permanent physical and psychological marks and various forms of execution that are both abhorrent and horrific. And I think witchcraft is no better or worse than many other religious or supernatural beliefs. You are perhaps being too literal with the meaning of witchunt. It is only a metaphor and witches are\were human too and humans instigated their torture and murder so I am not so clear on what your point is. And the 'me too' movement in keeping in practice with the modern type of justice system, which is the victim mentality which the justice system feeds off and for profit mongering for lawyers and for those high up in the judicial system to justify their titles, positions and incomes and feel superior over the plebs.
Too many people give their own power away to those that they feel are the powers that be. There is nothing justice worthy about the legal\justice system and it is designed to keep the status quo intact. The care and concern of legal justice is also phony to the max. 1. No, I'm not being too literal and it's not simply a metaphor. It's a practise that still takes place in certain parts of the world and adversely affects many people who live in those areas.
2. And what you refer to is not a modern type of justice system. It has to be designed, developed and deployed by an appropriate authority, such as a federal, state or local government body, in conjunction with legal experts.
3. I don't think for a moment it's perfect, but until a better designed system is created, it's the only one we've got. And what makes you think people have a choice as to whether or not they concede to the authorities? If you're correct about the ultimate objectives of the modern legal system, surely it makes no difference?
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Post by ant-mac on Dec 26, 2018 14:25:07 GMT
1. No, I'm not being too literal and it's not simply a metaphor. It's a practise that still takes place in certain parts of the world and adversely affects many people who live in those areas.
2. And what you refer to is not a modern type of justice system. It has to be designed, developed and deployed by an appropriate authority, such as a federal, state or local government body, in conjunction with legal experts.
3. I don't think for a moment it's perfect, but until a better designed system is created, it's the only one we've got. And what makes you think people have a choice as to whether or not they concede to the authorities? If you're correct about the ultimate objectives of the modern legal system, surely it makes no difference? 1. So you are saying the 'me too' movement is not a witchunt against men? The term witchunt is a metaphor, dating back to the persecution of those that practiced witchcraft, by the so called justice system. It can then apply to persecution of any sect.
2. Which countries have this modern type of justice system you refer too and what is your definition of justice? To me, it is about fairness and equality and this doesn't even exist in the convoluted ones we have at the moment. Like I mentioned earlier it also differs from case, to courts to lands. Just because an authority is appropriated, doesn't mean it knows what it is doing, even if they like to label themselves as so-called experts.
3. yes, I agree, it is the only system we have, but it will start to perfect itself out, when it stops compartmentalizing and being disloyal and corrupt with its own authority and power. It is about quick fixes for societal issues and not getting to the root cause of them, or even wanting to get to the cause of it. It likes it the way it is. There is NO justice here, in spite of the illusion of what it represents to many.
1. I'm aware of the modern usage of the term, "witch hunt". I'm just saying that it's a vast exaggeration and over statement to describe the "MeToo" movement as one. Whatever persecution or suffering that proponents of it can bring to bear upon their targets - rightly or wrongly - pales into insignificance against what happened - and still happens - to the victims of an authentic witch hunt.
2. I certainly believe that the Scandinavian countries - and some other European nations - are at the forefront when it comes to best practises in a modern justice system. However, in general, when I speak of a modern justice system, I mean one that continues to be improved, overhauled and reshaped to reflect the best practises based upon the latest wisdom. They're in no way perfect, but they are still an improvement over what has gone before.
3. No justice system - even the most modern one - is perfect. All we can do is hope that it continues to strive for improvement, one step at a time. I doubt any justice system will ever be truly perfect, but they can always continue to strive to be better.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jan 6, 2019 18:09:42 GMT
He disappeared for a whole year and put out THIS?
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Post by Nora on Jan 6, 2019 18:27:31 GMT
He disappeared for a whole year and put out THIS? yep. just in time before his court hearing tomorrow.
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Post by Nora on Jan 8, 2019 3:43:02 GMT
i would have allowed the request to keep all data ALL THE WAY leading up to NOW. six months two years ago? not enough. i bet most info about it between the alleged victim and his family and friends were exchanged more recently then that. oh well. we will see more in march. but the lawyer in me is getting restless watching this unfold.
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