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Post by ant-mac on Dec 25, 2018 8:43:37 GMT
Cleverly written and well performed, but it still comes across as very inappropriate. I thought it came across a quite creepy actually, and I am not placing any judgement on the 'alleged' accusations either.
Yes, I noticed that vibe too.
And too be perfectly honest, I haven't paid attention to any "developments" concerning who did what to whom...
I just know something happened... allegedly. 
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 25, 2018 8:49:10 GMT
I thought it came across a quite creepy actually, and I am not placing any judgement on the 'alleged' accusations either.
Yes, I noticed that vibe too.
And too be perfectly honest, I haven't paid attention to any "developments" concerning who did what to whom...
I just know something happened... allegedly.
If Spacey wants to dig a bigger hole for himself, then that onus is on him. He is already been accused of being creepy, so why make it worse?
I would say, humbling himself and keeping out of the radar as much as possible would be in his best interests. It's not that he needs to work for the dosh.
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Post by ant-mac on Dec 25, 2018 9:02:21 GMT
Yes, I noticed that vibe too.
And too be perfectly honest, I haven't paid attention to any "developments" concerning who did what to whom...
I just know something happened... allegedly.
If Spacey wants to dig a bigger hole for himself, then that onus is on him. He is already been accused of being creepy, so why make it worse?
I would say, humbling himself and keeping out of the radar as much as possible would be in his best interests. It's not that he needs to work for the dosh.
Money isn't the only thing that can motivate people.
I've always consider Spacey to be one of the better actors in his profession.
Perhaps it's not just a living for him - perhaps it's a passion?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 25, 2018 9:04:29 GMT
If Spacey wants to dig a bigger hole for himself, then that onus is on him. He is already been accused of being creepy, so why make it worse?
I would say, humbling himself and keeping out of the radar as much as possible would be in his best interests. It's not that he needs to work for the dosh.
Money isn't the only thing that can motivate people.
I've always consider Spacey to be one of the better actors in his profession.
Perhaps it's not just a living for him - perhaps it's a passion?
Oh, I am not saying that I want to see Spacey disappear from the acting profession and scene altogether. He is still being smeared with bulls<>t and I feel he needs to give it more time. |
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Post by poelzig on Dec 25, 2018 9:08:03 GMT
No kidding but we have the usual suspects on this site slurping his balls. He admitted he probably tried to rape a 14 year old but blamed it on alcohol and a bad memory. Still doesn't stop some morons here from admiring his "super gutsy" move. That Harvey Weinstein is quite a swell guy too, right? Hooray for sexual predators the unsung heroes of Hollywood.  Imagine the poor person that's his agent or manager or accountant for that matter. "God damn it Kevin. Can you just go ahead and move to Thailand already?" Conversely if he ever has to do any time (Like any normal person would already be doing) imagine the street cred his cell mate Bubba will get when he's raping Keyser Soze twice a day. I wonder how many packs of cigs Bubba will get for loaning Kevin out at night? So what is it? Did he or didn't he rape a 14yr old over 30yrs ago. You appear to change your stance with your circular rhetoric and condemnation. And what muffled cries of a pre-teen boy are you referring too? So taking a few minutes away from spewing hate about heterosexuals to comment on a member of your community? Awesome cheese. Spacey apologized to the now adult actor who said Spacey tried to rape him. Who would apologize for RAPING A KID if they thought they didn't do it? If you can be honest for a moment cheese tell me if you would apologize for something you didn't do? You would probably brag about getting a 14 year old drunk and molesting him so lets say it was a murder accusation. Would you say "Gosh I'm sorry if I murdered that 10 year old but I drink a lot and don't remember. My bad."? Try and be honest. If you listen closely to the villain music at the end, don't you hear a muffled "Help me I'm only 8."? That's part of the sick thrills with those freaks. Rubbing their perversion in everyones faces so to speak. Merry Christmas by the way or whatever you celebrate in Australia or Mongolia or wherever you stay.   |
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Post by ant-mac on Dec 25, 2018 9:11:48 GMT
Money isn't the only thing that can motivate people.
I've always consider Spacey to be one of the better actors in his profession.
Perhaps it's not just a living for him - perhaps it's a passion?
Oh, I am not saying that I want to see Spacey disappear from the acting profession and scene altogether. He is still being smeared with bulls<>t and I feel he needs to give it more time. Well, just look at how many second chances Mel Gibson has received after his various fuck-ups...
And if Spacey does wish to make a return, like you said, he probably needs to give it more time.
And he probably needs to choose a project that doesn't remind us quite so much of why he got into trouble in the first place.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 25, 2018 9:23:05 GMT
So what is it? Did he or didn't he rape a 14yr old over 30yrs ago. You appear to change your stance with your circular rhetoric and condemnation. And what muffled cries of a pre-teen boy are you referring too? So taking a few minutes away from spewing hate about heterosexuals to comment on a member of your community? Awesome cheese. Spacey apologized to the now adult actor who said Spacey tried to rape him. Who would apologize for RAPING A KID if they thought they didn't do it? If you can be honest for a moment cheese tell me if you would apologize for something you didn't do? You would probably brag about getting a 14 year old drunk and molesting him so lets say it was a murder accusation. Would you say "Gosh I'm sorry if I murdered that 10 year old but I drink a lot and don't remember. My bad."? Try and be honest. If you listen closely to the villain music at the end, don't you hear a muffled "Help me I'm only 8."? That's part of the sick thrills with those freaks. Rubbing their perversion in everyones faces so to speak. Merry Christmas by the way or whatever you celebrate in Australia or Mongolia or wherever you stay. You homophobic troll, who buys into gay as being a separate community from the straight one—which is where, if there is a gay one?—in a condescending and contemptuous manner. Spacey said he had no recollection of the incident. He apologized to this very gay adult male, who looks as precious as sin, that IF his drunken actions caused him any grievance, or something of that sort. He has NOT admitted to anything regarding the incident outright. You are reading what you want into it. What Spacey did do, was use the accusation as a coming out sounding board.
Stop trying to make excuses for your own distorted judgements and for justifying your ignorance. It only makes you look more of a fool than you already are.
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Post by poelzig on Dec 25, 2018 10:16:29 GMT
So taking a few minutes away from spewing hate about heterosexuals to comment on a member of your community? Awesome cheese. Spacey apologized to the now adult actor who said Spacey tried to rape him. Who would apologize for RAPING A KID if they thought they didn't do it? If you can be honest for a moment cheese tell me if you would apologize for something you didn't do? You would probably brag about getting a 14 year old drunk and molesting him so lets say it was a murder accusation. Would you say "Gosh I'm sorry if I murdered that 10 year old but I drink a lot and don't remember. My bad."? Try and be honest. If you listen closely to the villain music at the end, don't you hear a muffled "Help me I'm only 8."? That's part of the sick thrills with those freaks. Rubbing their perversion in everyones faces so to speak. Merry Christmas by the way or whatever you celebrate in Australia or Mongolia or wherever you stay. You homophobic troll, who buys into gay as being a separate community from the straight one—which is where, if there is a gay one?—in a condescending and contemptuous manner. Spacey said he had no recollection of the incident. He apologized to this very gay adult male, who looks as precious as sin, that IF his drunken actions caused him any grievance, or something of that sort. He has NOT admitted to anything regarding the incident outright. You are reading what you want into it. What Spacey did do, was use the accusation as a coming out sounding board.
Stop trying to make excuses for your own distorted judgements and for justifying your ignorance. It only makes you look more of a fool than you already are.
Hypocrite much? You have made numerous posts insulting heterosexuals. You said heterosexual males are effete because we prefer tits while "homosuperior just wants a big dick". Calling yourself superior is the worst type of sexism. You insist "there is no way that masturbation couldn't be considered anything but homo" which if I can interpret your bizarre syntax means in your delusional mind means anyone who jerks off is gay. That's patently false and those are just example from TODAY. You repeatedly use slurs like breeder and show contempt to heterosexuals Not to mention you call transgendered people mentally ill. It's obvious you're the one that's mentally ill with your delusions that every male that faps is gay. I won't even broach your racist comments that I'm somehow not really black because I laugh at hypocritical white liberals. It's painfully obvious you've never bothered to talk to anyone darker than snow if you think contempt of whites that see black folks as a fashion accessory makes me less black. That type of ignorant bullshit from shit stupid redneck trash like you makes me say stuff that gets me in trouble. If anything I tread lightly compared to how MANY African Americans feel about whites. Looking at you who can blame us? Do I say your stereotypical snarky every guy craves cock idiocy is so ridiculous it has to be an act? No I don't. Yet your stupid white boy ass thinks I'm not black because I don't show proper respect to you? You better hope there's a gay community because you're such a vile hateful asshole no other community would take you. Homosexuals or LGBT or whatever refer to themselves as a community but if I say it I'm homophobic? WTF?!! Google gay community you piece of bigoted excrement and one of the first links is to the official GLAAD organization with terms that are not be used because they are offensive to the GAY COMMUNITY. So GLAAD is homophobic you pathetic clown?!!!! You're incapable of carrying on a civil conversation and you side stepped my question by throwing a hissy fit. It's obvious you're cool with raping kids. I'm not so lets agree to disagree. If you were a man you would apologize but we both know bigots like you are in a state of constant denial. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 25, 2018 11:19:15 GMT
You homophobic troll, who buys into gay as being a separate community from the straight one—which is where, if there is a gay one?—in a condescending and contemptuous manner. Spacey said he had no recollection of the incident. He apologized to this very gay adult male, who looks as precious as sin, that IF his drunken actions caused him any grievance, or something of that sort. He has NOT admitted to anything regarding the incident outright. You are reading what you want into it. What Spacey did do, was use the accusation as a coming out sounding board.
Stop trying to make excuses for your own distorted judgements and for justifying your ignorance. It only makes you look more of a fool than you already are.
Hypocrite much? You have made numerous posts insulting heterosexuals. You said heterosexual males are effete because we prefer tits while "homosuperior just wants a big dick". Calling yourself superior is the worst type of sexism. You insist "there is no way that masturbation couldn't be considered anything but homo" which if I can interpret your bizarre syntax means in your delusional mind means anyone who jerks off is gay. That's patently false and those are just example from TODAY. You repeatedly use slurs like breeder and show contempt to heterosexuals Not to mention you call transgendered people mentally ill. It's obvious you're the one that's mentally ill with your delusions that every male that faps is gay. I won't even broach your racist comments that I'm somehow not really black because I laugh at hypocritical white liberals. It's painfully obvious you've never bothered to talk to anyone darker than snow if you think contempt of whites that see black folks as a fashion accessory makes me less black. That type of ignorant bullshit from shit stupid redneck trash like you makes me say stuff that gets me in trouble. If anything I tread lightly compared to how MANY African Americans feel about whites. Looking at you who can blame us? Do I say your stereotypical snarky every guy craves cock idiocy is so ridiculous it has to be an act? No I don't. Yet your stupid white boy ass thinks I'm not black because I don't show proper respect to you? You better hope there's a gay community because you're such a vile hateful asshole no other community would take you. Homosexuals or LGBT or whatever refer to themselves as a community but if I say it I'm homophobic? WTF?!! Google gay community you piece of bigoted excrement and one of the first links is to the official GLAAD organization with terms that are not be used because they are offensive to the GAY COMMUNITY. So GLAAD is homophobic you pathetic clown?!!!! You're incapable of carrying on a civil conversation and you side stepped my question by throwing a hissy fit. It's obvious you're cool with raping kids. I'm not so lets agree to disagree. If you were a man you would apologize but we both know bigots like you are in a state of constant denial. What a homophobic entitled nincompoop you are. I am not even going to read your pathetic rambling palaver, so you just wasted your time attempting to justify your own conceit and entitled arrogance. My, how misguided and rigid you really are.  |
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Post by Nora on Dec 25, 2018 17:40:08 GMT
Wow. I certainly did not expect that. But I did enjoy the video. A lot. He is such a great actor. However, I am afraid, he will face immense backlash because of this. But I am glad he appeared again and is not giving up acting. Plus… to me… somehow this video is better than the whole new HoC season. what are your thoughts? Oh and Merry Xmas everybody. What exactly are these Let's Be Frank videos Nora? Is this just something that Spacey has done, or a popular series of clips?
Spacey is one of the best actors around, always has been. Most of these accusations though I feel have been blown way out of proportion and I have no sympathy for a legally aged person of 18 or over who suddenly wants to claim sexual assault, when they were old enough to know what was happening to them and what they were doing at the time. When you go to a bar and get pissed and people all around you are pissed and all sorts of people are cracking onto each other, a grope is nothing to play victim s<>t over or make a fuss about. There are self-serving agendas all round here.
Its a clip where he is in his Frank Underwood character (the key figure on House of Cards, who is known for breaking the 4th wall and also being a ruthless criminal while high ranking politician). as far as I know he has not done any such clips before. Here he seems to use a lot of lines that can be taken as speaking about the show as well as his private life. and ads a bit of Moriarty at the end. love it. |
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Dec 25, 2018 17:59:46 GMT
When this video surfaced I didn't know how to react to it, and I still don't know how to react - total loss for words. I think this is the first time people have seen or heard of him in a long time, I remember coming across a story saying that it felt like he just disappeared from the face of the Earth.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 25, 2018 21:11:10 GMT
What exactly are these Let's Be Frank videos Nora? Is this just something that Spacey has done, or a popular series of clips?
Spacey is one of the best actors around, always has been. Most of these accusations though I feel have been blown way out of proportion and I have no sympathy for a legally aged person of 18 or over who suddenly wants to claim sexual assault, when they were old enough to know what was happening to them and what they were doing at the time. When you go to a bar and get pissed and people all around you are pissed and all sorts of people are cracking onto each other, a grope is nothing to play victim s<>t over or make a fuss about. There are self-serving agendas all round here.
Its a clip where he is in his Frank Underwood character (the key figure on House of Cards, who is known for breaking the 4th wall and also being a ruthless criminal while high ranking politician). as far as I know he has not done any such clips before. Here he seems to use a lot of lines that can be taken as speaking about the show as well as his private life. and ads a bit of Moriarty at the end. love it. So this wasn't an actual clip from a filmed HOC's episode? I have never seen HOC's. It may have been a deleted scene perhaps and filmed a while ago.
Watching Spacey here, shows what a great actor he is, regardless of any dubious intentions that could be read into it.
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Post by Caesar Roberto on Dec 26, 2018 2:33:57 GMT
Who cares? Has that creep even done anything of note since Moon?
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Post by Nora on Dec 26, 2018 4:09:40 GMT
Its a clip where he is in his Frank Underwood character (the key figure on House of Cards, who is known for breaking the 4th wall and also being a ruthless criminal while high ranking politician). as far as I know he has not done any such clips before. Here he seems to use a lot of lines that can be taken as speaking about the show as well as his private life. and ads a bit of Moriarty at the end. love it. So this wasn't an actual clip from a filmed HOC's episode? I have never seen HOC's. It may have been a deleted scene perhaps and filmed a while ago.
Watching Spacey here, shows what a great actor he is, regardless of any dubious intentions that could be read into it.
no, thats what makes it so interesting. this was not filmed by Netflix neither is part of HoC, this was actually filmed just a few days ago, written by Spacey, directed by some wedding videographer guy it seems, see the alleged directors commentary here. Apparently his girlfriend left him after she found out he was filming Spacey. Well good for the guy, that wouldnt have been a good relationship anyway. yes this video shows what a remarkable actor he is and a more than a decent writer too. |
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Post by Nora on Dec 26, 2018 4:23:06 GMT
Who cares? Has that creep even done anything of note since Moon? in my eyes, yes. I enjoyed both Horrible Bosses, I liked Margin Call, and I really liked Elvis vs Nixon. A lot of people liked Baby Driver too, I didnt. Plus he also produced Captain Phillips which I thought was a great movie. He is undoubtedly very talented, there is no reason he should be deprived of the ability to make a living doing what he is good at. EVEN IF he turns out to be a criminal. Given he gets his punishment and shows remorse. I hate when society has double standards and on one hand will fight for second chances for all sorts of offenders, or accept public figures who have committed violent or systemic crimes, on the other hand will destroy entire lives and livelihoods of people before the trial is even on. People who were at best charged with something. And more often than not didnt even use physical violence. Why is Tim Allen, the drug dealer who spent 2 years in jail a beloved tv personality? What about Will Smith who violently beat up/blinded someone? Marc Wahlberg, the attempted murderer? JayZ with his history of violence and stabbing people? Dany Trejo, who spent 11 years in jail? and the list could go on. If these men are allowed to successfully work in the show business I dont see any reason why Kevin Spacey shouldn't. Whats the difference? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 26, 2018 4:52:12 GMT
So this wasn't an actual clip from a filmed HOC's episode? I have never seen HOC's. It may have been a deleted scene perhaps and filmed a while ago.
Watching Spacey here, shows what a great actor he is, regardless of any dubious intentions that could be read into it.
no, thats what makes it so interesting. this was not filmed by Netflix neither is part of HoC, this was actually filmed just a few days ago, written by Spacey, directed by some wedding videographer guy it seems, see the alleged directors commentary here. Apparently his girlfriend left him after she found out he was filming Spacey. Well good for the guy, that wouldnt have been a good relationship anyway. yes this video shows what a remarkable actor he is and a more than a decent writer too. In a sense, it could be looked at as a f<>k you by Spacey to the lynch mob mentality, but that doesn't take away the insidious\creep factor behind it all. It could be considered cocky as well. Perhaps I am reading too much into it. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 26, 2018 5:01:19 GMT
Who cares? Has that creep even done anything of note since Moon? in my eyes, yes. I enjoyed both Horrible Bosses, I liked Margin Call, and I really liked Elvis vs Nixon. A lot of people liked Baby Driver too, I didnt. Plus he also produced Captain Phillips which I thought was a great movie. He is undoubtedly very talented, there is no reason he should be deprived of the ability to make a living doing what he is good at. EVEN IF he turns out to be a criminal. Given he gets his punishment and shows remorse. I hate when society has double standards and on one hand will fight for second chances for all sorts of offenders, or accept public figures who have committed violent or systemic crimes, on the other hand will destroy entire lives and livelihoods of people before the trial is even on. People who were at best charged with something. And more often than not didnt even use physical violence. Why is Tim Allen, the drug dealer who spent 2 years in jail a beloved tv personality? What about Will Smith who violently beat up/blinded someone? Marc Wahlberg, the attempted murderer? JayZ with his history of violence and stabbing people? Dany Trejo, who spent 11 years in jail? and the list could go on. If these men are allowed to successfully work in the show business I dont see any reason why Kevin Spacey shouldn't. Whats the difference? Spacey has sexual allegations involving a minor and while it could be considered a double standard, that is a no go zone in the eyes of most people. Most of the simpleton herd will look for anything though to keep someone down, due to their own insecurities and petty jealousies.
I am not big of this show remorse attitude that is pushed by the establishment. No-one has the right to force onto someone, how they should feel about something and how they should express it. We can't possibly know what others are feeling, even if we make misinformed judgements about what we think they may be feeling. Most people do have a conscience about things that they do that are considered questionable, only a narcissistic sociopath or psychopath wouldn't. I don't see Spacey as being either of these. He perhaps felt a bit entitled, but even the main allegation regrading this 14yr old at the time, Spacey wasn't even on the radar himself then. If he wasn't famous, who would give a rats.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 26, 2018 5:10:54 GMT
So this wasn't an actual clip from a filmed HOC's episode? I have never seen HOC's. It may have been a deleted scene perhaps and filmed a while ago.
Watching Spacey here, shows what a great actor he is, regardless of any dubious intentions that could be read into it.
no, thats what makes it so interesting. this was not filmed by Netflix neither is part of HoC, this was actually filmed just a few days ago, written by Spacey, directed by some wedding videographer guy it seems, see the alleged directors commentary here. Apparently his girlfriend left him after she found out he was filming Spacey. Well good for the guy, that wouldnt have been a good relationship anyway. yes this video shows what a remarkable actor he is and a more than a decent writer too. , you have linked this thread, not the director's commentary.  |
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Post by Nora on Dec 26, 2018 5:23:44 GMT
no, thats what makes it so interesting. this was not filmed by Netflix neither is part of HoC, this was actually filmed just a few days ago, written by Spacey, directed by some wedding videographer guy it seems, see the alleged directors commentary here. Apparently his girlfriend left him after she found out he was filming Spacey. Well good for the guy, that wouldnt have been a good relationship anyway. yes this video shows what a remarkable actor he is and a more than a decent writer too. , you have linked this thread, not the director's commentary. oh thank you. this is the commentary |
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Post by Nora on Dec 26, 2018 5:28:00 GMT
He is undoubtedly very talented, there is no reason he should be deprived of the ability to make a living doing what he is good at. EVEN IF he turns out to be a criminal. Given he gets his punishment and shows remorse. I hate when society has double standards and on one hand will fight for second chances for all sorts of offenders, or accept public figures who have committed violent or systemic crimes, on the other hand will destroy entire lives and livelihoods of people before the trial is even on. People who were at best charged with something. And more often than not didnt even use physical violence. Spacey has sexual allegations involving a minor and while it could be considered a double standard, that is a no go zone in the eyes of most people.e radar himself then. If he wasn't famous, who would give a rats. yes, pedophilia is a no go zone, i get that. but the entire allegation has a completely different context. no need to reopen the debate here. i know what you mean. now that i have had the time to think about the video, watch it a few more times and reflect on it, i like it even more. i am glad someone stood up to the mob mentality if he thinks he is innocent. am i hoping her will be cleared of the charges and will act again? yes. would i have a problem watching him in movies even if he did do it and was found guilty? no. do i know its not a popular opinion? yes. but thats the way it is right now. |
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