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Post by NormanClature on Dec 30, 2018 14:03:27 GMT
........Aquaman currently has the lowest average RT critic rating (6/10) of any superhero movie which doesn't have a splat beside it's name. It even has a lower average rating than MoS. Jurassic World, Venom, Suicide Squad and Transformers movies have all demonstrated that low quality fair can be successful at the worldwide box office. Why are some people trying to pretend Aquaman is any different to these movies in that regard?  |
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 30, 2018 18:27:44 GMT
I don't think anyone is. I'm happy Aquaman wasn't a disaster. I'm glad we'll probably get a trilogy. I'm glad audiences generally like it. And I'm glad the DCEU is on track. I don't think anyone is claiming it's brilliant. General consensus is that it's dumb fun. Still a win. I'm sure I read someone on here label it as a "near masterpiece"?   |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 30, 2018 20:11:28 GMT
^ Indeed, I actually did. Wish you could make an valid assessment too, but you never saw the film except as a crummy bootleg during which you were "too busy to look at your watch" to understand the plot. Well, old Norman is always shifting his double standards. In medias res: - Aquaman is a masterpiece in terms of cinematography, world building, art design and grandios action sequences. Music and 3D are very impressive too. - First life action movie that managed to create underworld interaction (dialogue, action etc) plausibly and without this being weird or too artificial. - The film is only held back being an action adventure masterpiece by the derivative nature of its hero's journey plot with a thin social message; it's essentially King Arthur (Curry) meets MoS meets Raiders. Still, this will become a classic as it is unique. The best action adventure experience of the year for me. 7/10 after having seen it 2 times. imdb2.freeforums.net/post/2377403/threadSeems my review held up pretty well - other than your crummy one, Norman. Say, what was the " whole section of the movie which is a dumb plot-hole that didn't need to be included and only exists because of lazy writing"...? All the "plot holes" you pointed out in your treads were debunked and showed your lack of attention. imdb2.freeforums.net/post/2379978/thread  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 21:13:40 GMT
Watching DC fans act like 1. this was a grand spectacle, and 2. they actually enjoy grand spectacles now, after years of condemning "dumb kiddie superhero movies" from the high horse of their pretentious phil101 grimdark Snyder bullsh*t - while simultaneously waving off Black Panther, which had a serious tone and brains more in line with what they supposedly liked about the DCEU - it's pathetic.
How do you go from the embarassed-to-be-a-superhero-movie seriousness of "Superman? That's what they're calling him, sir" to the children's cartoon camp of "CALL ME...BLACK MANTRA!"?
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 30, 2018 21:26:03 GMT
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 30, 2018 21:27:10 GMT
Watching DC fans act like 1. this was a grand spectacle, and 2. they actually enjoy grand spectacles now, after years of condemning "dumb kiddie superhero movies" from the high horse of their pretentious phil101 grimdark Snyder bullsh*t - while simultaneously waving off Black Panther, which had a serious tone and brains more in line with what they supposedly liked about the DCEU - it's pathetic.
How do you go from the embarassed-to-be-a-superhero-movie seriousness of "Superman? That's what they're calling him, sir" to the children's cartoon camp of " CALL ME...BLACK MANTRA!"? at how MAD you got. Your logical fallacy is false dilemma and straw man btw. If you believe it, it's at least not a lie. You finally arrived in the troll camp. Keep up the good work.
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 30, 2018 22:08:43 GMT
^ Indeed, I actually did. Wish you could make an valid assessment too, but you never saw the film except as a crummy bootleg during which you were "too busy to look at your watch" to understand the plot. Well, old Norman is always shifting his double standards. In medias res: - Aquaman is a masterpiece in terms of cinematography, world building, art design and grandios action sequences. Music and 3D are very impressive too. - First life action movie that managed to create underworld interaction (dialogue, action etc) plausibly and without this being weird or too artificial. - The film is only held back being an action adventure masterpiece by the derivative nature of its hero's journey plot with a thin social message; it's essentially King Arthur (Curry) meets MoS meets Raiders. Still, this will become a classic as it is unique. The best action adventure experience of the year for me. 7/10 after having seen it 2 times. imdb2.freeforums.net/post/2377403/threadSeems my review held up pretty well - other than your crummy one, Norman. Say, what was the " whole section of the movie which is a dumb plot-hole that didn't need to be included and only exists because of lazy writing"...? All the "plot holes" you pointed out in your treads were debunked and showed your lack of attention. imdb2.freeforums.net/post/2379978/thread The writing in Aquaman is terrible! Possibly the worst written of all the modern superhero movies. The whole film positively creaks underneath the weight of the exposition. The character development is almost non existent and the attempts at humor are mostly embarrassing. The "plot holes" I pointed out initially were non spoiler ones. The large one I was referring to was that there was no need for him to go to Atlantis on the first occasion. Mera knows what Aquaman needs to do in order to overthrow Orm and no part of that involves a day trip to Atlantis so he can get arrested and have a pointless fight with him. 
BTW, nobody has provided me with a good reason why highborn Atlanteans can breathe air while others can't. 'cause reasons, isn't an adequate answer.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 30, 2018 23:06:18 GMT
^ Indeed, I actually did. Wish you could make an valid assessment too, but you never saw the film except as a crummy bootleg during which you were "too busy to look at your watch" to understand the plot. Well, old Norman is always shifting his double standards. In medias res: - Aquaman is a masterpiece in terms of cinematography, world building, art design and grandios action sequences. Music and 3D are very impressive too. - First life action movie that managed to create underworld interaction (dialogue, action etc) plausibly and without this being weird or too artificial. - The film is only held back being an action adventure masterpiece by the derivative nature of its hero's journey plot with a thin social message; it's essentially King Arthur (Curry) meets MoS meets Raiders. Still, this will become a classic as it is unique. The best action adventure experience of the year for me. 7/10 after having seen it 2 times. imdb2.freeforums.net/post/2377403/threadSeems my review held up pretty well - other than your crummy one, Norman. Say, what was the " whole section of the movie which is a dumb plot-hole that didn't need to be included and only exists because of lazy writing"...? All the "plot holes" you pointed out in your treads were debunked and showed your lack of attention. imdb2.freeforums.net/post/2379978/thread The writing in "Infinity Bore" Aquaman is terrible! Possibly the worst written of all the modern superhero movies. The whole film positively creaks underneath the weight of the exposition and its amateurish TV episodic screenplay. The character development is almost non existent and the attempts at humor are mostly embarrassing especially lowbrow lines like "I shoot that ball-sack of a chin right out of your face". Only the hack-job Fragglerock, and Guardians of the Raccoon Turd were more embarrassing.
^ I fully agree but would have put it more diplomatically. That is your big plot hole? Do you even know what a plot hole is? They were going to Atlantis to meet Vulko (creating a security bubble there so not to be overheard) who had the plan to find the Trident of Atlan. Also, Mera needed to return to the palace - she is a princess, you know, and was AWOL - she later whined that she had lost home and everything and would be executed because of helping Aqua?…sigh, I bet you were looking at your watch again… Mera knows what they need to do? Please provide dialogue to evidence this, or your "plot hole" fails on every level.. You are shifting goalposts again (your Nr 1 fallacy). You initially asked why some Atlanteans can breath air some can't. Several posters in your thread quoted dialogue you missed: namely "High Borns can do that" - it's even practically shown in form of a security bubble. Impossible to miss. You impossibly did! I bet you were looking at your watch again… no, you stated that yourself. Now you ask as to why only high borns can breath air. But that does not have relevance for the story. The answer may be genetic manipulation (biotech), breeding, mutation, racial, medtech, pharma, magic etc. Who cares but you? And even you don't. Potentially. But I subsequently went watching the film in glorious IMAX 3D, which usually disappoints, but in this case was awesome. You have not seen the movie. |
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 30, 2018 23:15:03 GMT
That is your big plot hole? Do you even know what a plot hole is?
They were going to Atlantis to meet Vulko (creating a security bubble there so not to be overheard) who had the plan to find the Trident of Atlan. Also, Mera needed to return to the palace - she is a princess, you know, and was AWOL - she later whined that she had lost home and everything and would be executed because of helping Aqua?…sigh, I bet you were looking at your watch again…
Mera knows what they need to do? Please provide dialogue to evidence this, or your "plot hole" fails on every level.Please don't tell me you believe the first time Vulko and Mera discussed any of this was during the scene in the movie?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 30, 2018 23:52:13 GMT
That is your big plot hole? Do you even know what a plot hole is?
They were going to Atlantis to meet Vulko (creating a security bubble there so not to be overheard) who had the plan to find the Trident of Atlan. Also, Mera needed to return to the palace - she is a princess, you know, and was AWOL - she later whined that she had lost home and everything and would be executed because of helping Aqua?…sigh, I bet you were looking at your watch again…
Mera knows what they need to do? Please provide dialogue to evidence this, or your "plot hole" fails on every level.Please don't tell me you believe the first time Vulko and Mera discussed any of this was during the scene in the movie? Plot holes are not about us believing but about logical contradictions in the exposition and plot. There is none. The burden of proof was on you. You failed. Aquaman wins. These blockbusters usually are riddled with plot holes. So far the script seems more bulletproof than Aqua's hide. |
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 31, 2018 0:01:01 GMT
That is your big plot hole? Do you even know what a plot hole is?
They were going to Atlantis to meet Vulko (creating a security bubble there so not to be overheard) who had the plan to find the Trident of Atlan. Also, Mera needed to return to the palace - she is a princess, you know, and was AWOL - she later whined that she had lost home and everything and would be executed because of helping Aqua?…sigh, I bet you were looking at your watch again…
Mera knows what they need to do? Please provide dialogue to evidence this, or your "plot hole" fails on every level.Please don't tell me you believe the first time Vulko and Mera discussed any of this was during the scene in the movie? Plot holes are not about us believing but about logical contradictions in the exposition and plot. There is none. The burden of proof was on you. You failed. Aquaman wins. These blockbusters usually are riddled with plot holes. So far the script seems more bulletproof than Aqua's hide. To believe that they hadn't had any form of discussion about Aquaman and what needed happen, prior to that scene in the movie, is beyond dumb.
If it isn't a plot-hole by your definition of the term then it's still an example of lazy writing. The onus is on you to tell me why it isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 3:33:04 GMT
Watching DC fans act like 1. this was a grand spectacle, and 2. they actually enjoy grand spectacles now, after years of condemning "dumb kiddie superhero movies" from the high horse of their pretentious phil101 grimdark Snyder bullsh*t - while simultaneously waving off Black Panther, which had a serious tone and brains more in line with what they supposedly liked about the DCEU - it's pathetic.
How do you go from the embarassed-to-be-a-superhero-movie seriousness of "Superman? That's what they're calling him, sir" to the children's cartoon camp of " CALL ME...BLACK MANTRA!"? at how MAD you got. Your logical fallacy is false dilemma and straw man btw. If you believe it, it's at least not a lie. You finally arrived in the troll camp. Keep up the good work.
Black Mantra? Priceless! This movie was 2 and a half hours (the same length as TDK!) of CGI eyesores and brainless fluff. Hell yeah I'm mad. Especially now that DCEU fans like yourself suddenly like such things. What is the "troll camp"? The people who like and dislike movies from both universes and don't get caught up in tribalism? People who judge the movies themselves and not who's logo is at the beginning? |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 31, 2018 13:26:38 GMT
at how MAD you got. Your logical fallacy is false dilemma and straw man btw. If you believe it, it's at least not a lie. You finally arrived in the troll camp. Keep up the good work.
Black Mantra? Priceless! This movie was 2 and a half hours (the same length as TDK!) of CGI eyesores and brainless fluff. Hell yeah I'm mad. Don't worry about it, I like you mad. Suddenly? Did you forget how mad you got for me and my ilk loathing the rehash TFA but loving the prequel saga? Did you not absurdly claim that the latter movies are CGI eyesore and brainless stuff too? See a pattern? While Aquaman does certainly not reach the level of dystopian storytelling excellence of the Saga, it will be regarded as an exceptional film in terms of imagination, art design, action sequences, cinematography (that color composition), world building and overall execution. Breathtaking, what did you even see?  Good enough for me to rate it positively. Btw, I rated Infinity War and Solo the same, and you still complained. If henceforth all DCEU films were created under that Aqua formula, DC could go frack themselves. But we have Shazam and Joker coming, and even more interesting projects after that. I am afraid you are caught up more in tribalism that you ever intended, Black Mantra. Let me quote the "brainless fluff": "What is the difference between a hero and a king? - A hero fights for everybody."So what is the difference between a hero and a troll? |
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Post by kuatorises on Dec 31, 2018 13:54:04 GMT
........Aquaman currently has the lowest average RT critic rating (6/10) of any superhero movie which doesn't have a splat beside it's name. It even has a lower average rating than MoS. Jurassic World, Venom, Suicide Squad and Transformers movies have all demonstrated that low quality fair can be successful at the worldwide box office. Why are some people trying to pretend Aquaman is any different to these movies in that regard? DC fans are desperate for a hit. |
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Post by kuatorises on Dec 31, 2018 14:14:20 GMT
at how MAD you got. Your logical fallacy is false dilemma and straw man btw. If you believe it, it's at least not a lie. You finally arrived in the troll camp. Keep up the good work.
Black Mantra? Priceless! and brainless fluff. Hell yeah I'm mad. Especially now that DCEU fans like yourself suddenly like such things. What is the "troll camp"? The people who like and dislike movies from both universes and don't get caught up in tribalism? People who judge the movies themselves and not who's logo is at the beginning? It's funny to me people are calling it a visual spectacle, because the effects look like typical DC to me; which is bad and fake looking. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 31, 2018 16:25:13 GMT
........Aquaman currently has the lowest average RT critic rating (6/10) of any superhero movie which doesn't have a splat beside it's name. It even has a lower average rating than MoS. Jurassic World, Venom, Suicide Squad and Transformers movies have all demonstrated that low quality fair can be successful at the worldwide box office. Why are some people trying to pretend Aquaman is any different to these movies in that regard? DC fans are desperate for a hit. Seems we got a BIG one at our hand. Last year's WW was by far the most profitable CBM 2017 (before Sony's SM:HC, MCU's Fragglerock and last the lowbrow GotGVol2) and the best reviewed CBM ever (not to forget the awards). Also, the DC shows go strong and are not cancelled. Comics do fine as far as I know too, but whatever. I would rather say MCU trolls were desperate for a DC flop. Their failure is complete.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 20:06:11 GMT
This movie was 2 and a half hours (the same length as TDK!) of CGI eyesores and brainless fluff. Hell yeah I'm mad. Don't worry about it, I like you mad. Suddenly? Did you forget how mad you got for me and my ilk loathing the rehash TFA but loving the prequel saga? Did you not absurdly claim that the latter movies are CGI eyesore and brainless stuff too? See a pattern? While Aquaman does certainly not reach the level of dystopian storytelling excellence of the Saga, it will be regarded as an exceptional film in terms of imagination, art design, action sequences, cinematography (that color composition), world building and overall execution. Breathtaking, what did you even see? Good enough for me to rate it positively. Btw, I rated Infinity War and Solo the same, and you still complained. If henceforth all DCEU films were created under that Aqua formula, DC could go frack themselves. But we have Shazam and Joker coming, and even more interesting projects after that. I am afraid you are caught up more in tribalism that you ever intended, Black Mantra. Let me quote the "brainless fluff": "What is the difference between a hero and a king? - A hero fights for everybody."So what is the difference between a hero and a troll? I bet you do, you naughty little Aussie. The prequels were certainly CG eyesores, but I don't recall calling them brainless. They definitely had lofty ambitions, even if those ambitions got buried under bad dialogue, bad acting, and bad execution. They also satisfied your grimdark bloodlust with Anakin carving up younglings like John Wayne Gacy and then getting burned alive, so all of that is consistent with your misguided love of BvS. Aquaman? Not so much. When did we talk about Solo? In any case, I didn't like those movies either, so I don't know what your point is. On that note, if I didn't like this OR Infinity War, who's tribe do I belong to? What is my kingdom? Or is the point of your last line that I fight for no one and thus am a troll? On the contrary, I loved both Wonder Woman and the Winter Soldier, so I truly fight for everyone. And 'whats the difference between a hero and a king?" is not a quote from Aquaman. Is Arthur a special needs student? All that mocking of me getting the third billed antagonist of this movie's name wrong, and you can't even remember the horrible script yourself. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 31, 2018 20:32:34 GMT
Don't worry about it, I like you mad. Suddenly? Did you forget how mad you got for me and my ilk loathing the rehash TFA but loving the prequel saga? Did you not absurdly claim that the latter movies are CGI eyesore and brainless stuff too? See a pattern? While Aquaman does certainly not reach the level of dystopian storytelling excellence of the Saga, it will be regarded as an exceptional film in terms of imagination, art design, action sequences, cinematography (that color composition), world building and overall execution. Breathtaking, what did you even see? Good enough for me to rate it positively. Btw, I rated Infinity War and Solo the same, and you still complained. If henceforth all DCEU films were created under that Aqua formula, DC could go frack themselves. But we have Shazam and Joker coming, and even more interesting projects after that. I am afraid you are caught up more in tribalism that you ever intended, Black Mantra. Let me quote the "brainless fluff": "What is the difference between a hero and a king? - A hero fights for everybody."So what is the difference between a hero and a troll? I bet you do, you n aughty little Aussie. The prequels were certainly CG eyesores, but I don't recall calling them brainless. They definitely had lofty ambitions, even if those ambitions got buried under bad dialogue, bad acting, and bad execution. They also satisfied your grimdark bloodlust with Anakin carving up younglings like John Wayne Gacy and then getting burned alive, so all of that is consistent with your misguided love of BvS. Aquaman? Not so much. When did we talk about Solo? In any case, I didn't like those movies either, so I don't know what your point is. On that note, if I didn't like this OR Infinity War, who's tribe do I belong to? Is the point of your last line that I fight for no one and thus am a troll? I don't think I'm really provoking anyone by loving Winder Woman and Winter Soldier. And 'whats the difference between a hero and a king?" is not a quote from Aquaman. Is Arthur a special needs student? All that mocking of me getting the third billed antagonist of this movie's name wrong, and you can't even remember the horrible script yourself. The brainless was a straw man from my side. The films are not CGI-eyesore, in fact most things you think are CGI are models, miniatures or sets. It's the time, todays films esp the new SW films, have way more CGI eg all ships are CGI now. Yeah, grimdark bloodlust confirmed. But TPM is light and easy like Aquaman. Or Raiders, which I like. Or Excalibur. Or Tron 1/2. My point was I liked Solo and Infinity War (mildly) and you scolded me for it. These are as shallow as Aquaman, so I accept shallowness if it's not about penis, turds and nipples. And I did not mean you are a troll, you are not, but you now associate with trolls: NormanClature is a bona fide anti-DC troll, the out-of-wedlock lovechild of WeirdRaptor and ArchArchStanton. he is not that bright. But it's dialogue: “What could be greater than a king? A hero. A king fights for his nation. A hero fights for everyone.”
There are some nice leadership quotes in Aquaman: briandoddonleadership.com/2018/12/16/12-leadership-quotes-and-lessons-from-aquaman-the-movie/ Re-watch it, the film has merits. Now, don't get whiny. Did I ever scoff at your faux-Aussie running gags? "Black Mantra" is hilarious, get a copyright. Lol at Winder Woman too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 1:32:28 GMT
I bet you do, you n aughty little Aussie. The prequels were certainly CG eyesores, but I don't recall calling them brainless. They definitely had lofty ambitions, even if those ambitions got buried under bad dialogue, bad acting, and bad execution. They also satisfied your grimdark bloodlust with Anakin carving up younglings like John Wayne Gacy and then getting burned alive, so all of that is consistent with your misguided love of BvS. Aquaman? Not so much. When did we talk about Solo? In any case, I didn't like those movies either, so I don't know what your point is. On that note, if I didn't like this OR Infinity War, who's tribe do I belong to? Is the point of your last line that I fight for no one and thus am a troll? I don't think I'm really provoking anyone by loving Winder Woman and Winter Soldier. And 'whats the difference between a hero and a king?" is not a quote from Aquaman. Is Arthur a special needs student? All that mocking of me getting the third billed antagonist of this movie's name wrong, and you can't even remember the horrible script yourself. The brainless was a straw man from my side. The films are not CGI-eyesore, in fact most things you think are CGI are models, miniatures or sets. It's the time, todays films esp the new SW films, have way more CGI eg all ships are CGI now. Yeah, grimdark bloodlust confirmed. But TPM is light and easy like Aquaman. Or Raiders, which I like. Or Excalibur. Or Tron 1/2. My point was I liked Solo and Infinity War (mildly) and you scolded me for it. These are as shallow as Aquaman, so I accept shallowness if it's not about penis, turds and nipples. And I did not mean you are a troll, you are not, but you now associate with trolls: NormanClature is a bona fide anti-DC troll, the out-of-wedlock lovechild of WeirdRaptor and ArchArchStanton. he is not that bright. But it's dialogue: “What could be greater than a king? A hero. A king fights for his nation. A hero fights for everyone.”
There are some nice leadership quotes in Aquaman: briandoddonleadership.com/2018/12/16/12-leadership-quotes-and-lessons-from-aquaman-the-movie/ Re-watch it, the film has merits. Now, don't get whiny. Did I ever scoff at your faux-Aussie running gags? "Black Mantra" is hilarious, get a copyright. Lol at Winder Woman too. CGI, miniatures, the actors are still spending too much time on obvious green screen soundstages (and nearly every practical effect in that video still has some CGI effect(s) accompanying it). Sources seem to back up that TFA has more CGI than TPM, but I don't see anything about AotC and RotS, which is where the CGI really got out of hand (notice half of your video is spent on TPM). There's only one shot in all of RotS that doesn't have any CGI in it. Either way, maybe people don't complain about the VFX in the OT and Disney films because it's integrated well and looks good? I personally will take a CG spacecraft over a CG stormtrooper. One I don't have any base of comparison to, the other is uncanny valley. Sure, TPM is a cheesy children's film when it's not being a political drama, but a dark cloud still looms over it. The bad guy wins at the end (considering Sidious' only real goal was to get elected Chancellor), we know bright-eyed Anakin will grow up to be Vader. The happy ending even has an ironic cover of the Emperor theme. Then Excaliber is a hard R favorite of Grimdark Lord Zack Snyder... I wouldn't really call IW as shallow as Aquaman. People are having ideological debates over Thanos. Is anyone making video essays about how Orn is the good guy because indestructible demigids are effected offscreen by Pepsi can littering? Plus half the cast turns to ash at the end of IW. Solo is about a guy learning not to trust anyone. Everyone dies in R1. Aquaman ... two bros fight, then their mom breaks it up. One of these is not like the others. As for turds and nipples, the difference is that Guardians 2 is tongue in cheek. That famous Black Mantra line is said without a hint of irony or self-awareness. "Associated with" may be overstating things. This is the only time I've encountered him. |
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Post by kuatorises on Jan 3, 2019 2:54:31 GMT
DC fans are desperate for a hit. Seems we got a BIG one at our hand. Last year's WW was by far the most profitable CBM 2017 (before Sony's SM:HC, MCU's Fragglerock and last the lowbrow GotGVol2) and the best reviewed CBM ever (not to forget the awards). Also, the DC shows go strong and are not cancelled. Comics do fine as far as I know too, but whatever. I would rather say MCU trolls were desperate for a DC flop. Their failure is complete. Big, lol? It crossed $200 mil yesterday. Yeah, it's a real killer.  |
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