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Post by hobowar on Dec 31, 2018 11:31:31 GMT
it would be a Pyrrhic victory and damage the credibility of the Oscars in the long run. This would become THE example of a pandering Token Oscar. Anytime something is nominated or wins for pandering reasons people would call it "BlackPanther"-Oscar or an Disney-Oscar (dibs, I said it first!). As the better informed know, Disney aggressively exerts pressure on the Oscars, e.g. the recent farce of a popular Oscar ABC-Disney wanted, and the Oscars desperately need viewing number. Two years ago we saw Moonlight win over LaLaLand (which was arguable), last year we saw Get Out nominated (which was weird, good horror-comedy, but very silly). Black Panther would be nominated for best picture for what? It's an generic action film with Africans grunting like apes. Americans played royal African families since Coming to America, Marvel had black-led superheroes since Spawn and Blade. But at least it would give so much potential for mockery and laughter. Don't forget: Did we ever have a blockbuster franchise that did not get one measly Oscar after 22 movies…? Ever…? I do not wonder why…. Anyway, no wonder Disney is so aggressive. It will be amusing one way or the other.  
You know my problem is not even with black panther. in a way the movie is a victim and deserves better. had black panther been made under different circumstances by a different studio, I am sure it will be deserving.
my problem is with marvel disney, the media, brain dead critics and their corruption and lack of morality.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 31, 2018 14:10:19 GMT
It will be bad because it wouldnt be deserved. A lot of top 10 films of the year lists are coming out by critics, magazines and big Youtubers, and ive been keeping an eye on how often Black Panther is on them. Its not as much as a best picture nominee should have and it certainly isnt in most peoples top 5. What is funny is that Infinity War is on the top 10 lists with more or less the same frequency as Black Panther but why isnt IW getting pushed for a best pic nom but BP is? Race baiting is why So you're saying opinions should always match the general consensus and that everyone in the world should form one hive mind? What are you talking about? Usually the best picture nominees are high up on most critics/big youtubers top 10 movies of the year lists because collectively they are a good indicator of what will actually get nominated and win in Best Picture. The fact that Black Panther is sparsely in their top 10 lists, with almost the same number of IW entrees suggests in reality Black Panther is race baiting the best Picture Nomination. |
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Post by charzhino on Dec 31, 2018 14:32:18 GMT
Just watched Chris Stuckmuns top 10 of 2018 and he didnt even have Black Panther in his honorable mentions. Ouch.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 31, 2018 14:49:40 GMT
also remember MCU fans crying about wonder woman?What were they crying about? Wonder Woman’s zero Oscar nominations? I remember MCU fans laughing at the DC fans for their endless posts about Wonder Woman being the first superhero movie to get a Best Picture nod. |
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Post by damngumby on Dec 31, 2018 15:28:41 GMT
wonder woman , yeah it was pushed a little but failed to get any golden globe, sag, national board review recognition. black panther actually did. and that shows how much power disney has. It’s weird how Disney only applies their vast powers to help Black Panther. summer8 is willing to delegitimization every film award that has acknowledged Black Panther and not his own favorite movies. That is the height of childishness. If Black Panther gets a Best Picture Oscar nod, you should man up, show a little class, congratulate the filmmakers, and move on to something more credible than this vast conspiracy you've concocted to protect your fragile ego. If Black Panther doesn’t get a Best Picture Oscar nod, then you should man up, show a little class, and apologize to everyone for spamming the board with this vast conspiracy you concocted to protect your fragile ego. That’s the only way out of this for you haters. Contrition. If you continue to seethe like a pack of angry children, MCU fans are just going to continue laughing at you. |
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Post by hobowar on Dec 31, 2018 15:34:30 GMT
Just watched Chris Stuckmuns top 10 of 2018 and he didnt even have Black Panther in his honorable mentions. Ouch. Tell that to Zod's broken neck. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 31, 2018 17:14:08 GMT
it would be a Pyrrhic victory and damage the credibility of the Oscars in the long run. This would become THE example of a pandering Token Oscar. Anytime something is nominated or wins for pandering reasons people would call it "BlackPanther"-Oscar or an Disney-Oscar (dibs, I said it first!). As the better informed know, Disney aggressively exerts pressure on the Oscars, e.g. the recent farce of a popular Oscar ABC-Disney wanted, and the Oscars desperately need viewing number. Two years ago we saw Moonlight win over LaLaLand (which was arguable), last year we saw Get Out nominated (which was weird, good horror-comedy, but very silly). Black Panther would be nominated for best picture for what? It's an generic action film with Africans grunting like apes. Americans played royal African families since Coming to America, Marvel had black-led superheroes since Spawn and Blade. But at least it would give so much potential for mockery and laughter. Don't forget: Did we ever have a blockbuster franchise that did not get one measly Oscar after 22 movies…? Ever…? I do not wonder why…. Anyway, no wonder Disney is so aggressive. It will be amusing one way or the other.
You know my problem is not even with black panther. in a way the movie is a victim and deserves better. had black panther been made under different circumstances by a different studio, I am sure it will be deserving.my problem is with marvel disney, the media, brain dead critics and their corruption and lack of morality.
^ the opera scene in CK is brilliantly chosen, summers. Kane, like Disney, very aggressively pushed the career of his soprano lady friend even though she was mediocre a singer at best. To the point it all collapsed. May I add: Disney-MCU will never find their "Rosebud", they have long sacrificed the symbol of their artistic integrity on the altar of increased profits. They may buy it, but will not earn it.  |
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 31, 2018 17:37:26 GMT
Alright guys. What studio makes better comic book films on such a consistent basis? I am seriously waiting to hear this answer. You guys whine and complain constantly on here about how terrible the MCU is. It is, without question, the most successful comic book franchise of all time critically and financially. I would argue that no one else comes close. The DCEU? Please. Even the most die-hard DC fans HAVE to admit that the MCU makes better movies. Fox? Again, consistency. I loved X2. I loved DOFP. X3 sucked hard. Apocalypse was even worse. Once again, who makes better comic book films? Heck, who is more successful than Disney at all? Anyone? Star Wars, Pixar, MCU, their animation studios, etc. I can confidently say that they make way more good movies than bad movies. So, once again, what studio does it better?
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Dec 31, 2018 18:25:43 GMT
It won't happen. It didn't happen for Wonder Woman and it won't happen for Black Panther. And can we please fuck off with the "SJW" shit. It's cringey as hell. I think it will happen. we do need a laugh anyway and a sense of we told you so mcu fans.
the difference between wonder woman and black panther is wonder woman is DC so the push was still limited because we know critics and the media are bias against DC. also WB is not as powerful or has the same influence as disney has.
I think the media and biased critics wants this to happen. they want it to be an MCU movie to be the first so they are pushing black panther more than they ever did with wonder woman. they didnt even push logan and tdk this much at all.
wonder woman , yeah it was pushed a little but failed to get any golden globe, sag, national board review recognition. black panther actually did. and that shows how much power disney has.
as said, when it does happen. mcu fans should admit there is a huge bias to them an we can move on to other things more credible.
I agree, but you're the only one around here who's actually obsessing over this Oscar-nonsense. I think you're actually scared that I could win and DC wouldn't have any prestigious Oscar. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 31, 2018 19:15:41 GMT
Just watched Chris Stuckmuns top 10 of 2018 and he didnt even have Black Panther in his honorable mentions. Ouch. Chris Stuckmann is just one person who I doubt is an Academy voter. He put Mission Impossible and Hereditary as his #1 and #2, and I don't see those films getting Oscar recognition. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 31, 2018 19:24:26 GMT
it would be a Pyrrhic victory and damage the credibility of the Oscars in the long run. This would become THE example of a pandering Token Oscar. Anytime something is nominated or wins for pandering reasons people would call it "BlackPanther"-Oscar or an Disney-Oscar (dibs, I said it first!). As the better informed know, Disney aggressively exerts pressure on the Oscars, e.g. the recent farce of a popular Oscar ABC-Disney wanted, and the Oscars desperately need viewing number. Two years ago we saw Moonlight win over LaLaLand (which was arguable), last year we saw Get Out nominated (which was weird, good horror-comedy, but very silly). Black Panther would be nominated for best picture for what? It's an generic action film with Africans grunting like apes. Americans played royal African families since Coming to America, Marvel had black-led superheroes since Spawn and Blade. But at least it would give so much potential for mockery and laughter. Don't forget: Did we ever have a blockbuster franchise that did not get one measly Oscar after 22 movies…? Ever…? I do not wonder why…. Anyway, no wonder Disney is so aggressive. It will be amusing one way or the other. Believe me, the Oscars have lost credibility a long time ago when they didn't nominate The Dark Knight. Hell, other classic action movies have gotten snubbed for Best Picture such as Aliens, Die Hard, Terminator 2, and The Matrix. It wasn't until they nominated Mad Max: Fury Road that the idea of an action movie could win the Best Picture Oscar wouldn't be so strange now. And Black Panther and Fury Road share a few similarities (same RT score) |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 31, 2018 19:30:00 GMT
it would be a Pyrrhic victory and damage the credibility of the Oscars in the long run. This would become THE example of a pandering Token Oscar. Anytime something is nominated or wins for pandering reasons people would call it "BlackPanther"-Oscar or an Disney-Oscar (dibs, I said it first!). As the better informed know, Disney aggressively exerts pressure on the Oscars, e.g. the recent farce of a popular Oscar ABC-Disney wanted, and the Oscars desperately need viewing number. Two years ago we saw Moonlight win over LaLaLand (which was arguable), last year we saw Get Out nominated (which was weird, good horror-comedy, but very silly). Black Panther would be nominated for best picture for what? It's an generic action film with Africans grunting like apes. Americans played royal African families since Coming to America, Marvel had black-led superheroes since Spawn and Blade. But at least it would give so much potential for mockery and laughter. Don't forget: Did we ever have a blockbuster franchise that did not get one measly Oscar after 22 movies…? Ever…? I do not wonder why…. Anyway, no wonder Disney is so aggressive. It will be amusing one way or the other. Believe me, the Oscars have lost credibility a long time ago when they didn't nominate The Dark Knight. Hell, other classic action movies have gotten snubbed for Best Picture such as Aliens, Die Hard, Terminator 2, and The Matrix. It wasn't until they nominated Mad Max: Fury Road that the idea of an action movie could win the Best Picture Oscar wouldn't be so strange now. And Black Panther and Fury Road share a few similarities (same RT score) That is certainly true. Still, I value the Oscars as each year they and other festivals show me movies I would not have seen otherwise. Per principle, I do not think BP or WonderWoman or even Logan are serious best picture material, unless there was absolutely nothing else of substance. |
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Post by damngumby on Dec 31, 2018 19:45:00 GMT
mcu fans should admit there is a huge bias to them an we can move on to other things more credible.
you're the only one around here who's actually obsessing over this Oscar-nonsense. Which is what makes this topic so effin’ hilarious! Last year we had a bunch of knuckleheads breathlessly anticipating a Best Picture nomination for Wonder Woman ... while MCU fans looked on with amusement. This year we have the same knuckleheads breathlessly anticipating a Best Picture nomination for Black Panther ... again, MCU fans look on with amusement. It’s interesting how some folks are so desperate for validation ... and when it doesn’t come, they want to burn it all down. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 20:37:05 GMT
Pretty significant. A lot of validation and high fives going arounby
I've long conceded that the Oscars aren't the greatest metric to judge. Its council are people who're more than capable of having agendas. I wouldn't think Black Panther was Best Picture material, but I'd rather watch that then Crash from 2005, and I'd still rather watch The Dark Knight than How Green was my Valley, which won best picture over Citizen Kane and The Maltese Falcon.
So in the words of Mayor Quimpy - Very well. If that is the way the winds are blowing, let no one say that I also do not blow.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 31, 2018 20:56:27 GMT
Just watched Chris Stuckmuns top 10 of 2018 and he didnt even have Black Panther in his honorable mentions. Ouch. Chris Stuckmann is just one person who I doubt is an Academy voter. He put Mission Impossible and Hereditary as his #1 and #2, and I don't see those films getting Oscar recognition. True. But quite a few others have omitted black panther from their top 10 of 2018 and its interesting since its a film being tipped for best picture you would think it would be in the top 5 of most major critics. |
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Post by charzhino on Dec 31, 2018 21:01:53 GMT
I've long conceded that the Oscars aren't the greatest metric to judge. Its council are people who're more than capable of having agendas. Your underestimating the influence of the Oscars. Theres 6000+ members who get to vote for the major categories. The next most populated members award ceremony doesnt even come close. Its far harder for 6000+ people to have the same agenda or be involved in conspiracy compared to a few 100. |
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Post by James on Dec 31, 2018 21:09:44 GMT
Not so much. People are just gonna forget about it, since in most movies that are nominated for Best Picture people move on from them. I often do.
It wouldn’t be bad, but just a “oh yeah cool” kind of reaction.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 21:25:32 GMT
I've long conceded that the Oscars aren't the greatest metric to judge. Its council are people who're more than capable of having agendas. Your underestimating the influence of the Oscars. Theres 6000+ members who get to vote for the major categories. The next most populated members award ceremony doesnt even come close. Its far harder for 6000+ people to have the same agenda or be involved in conspiracy compared to a few 100. I was only pointing out the people are fallible, but I definitely didn't know about 6000+ members.
That's a lot, to put it mildly.
6000+ members makes it seem like whatever lands on any of their categories is most fair. Which, in theory, legitimizes all the most famous Oscar snubs and robberies.
Not that I'm complaining (as much as I used to). It is what it is.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 1, 2019 3:39:49 GMT
There will be a backlash from different aspects of the population.
Film Purist would hate any Superhero movie nominated for best picture. While I'm on record of saying Heath Ledger's nomination and win was helped by his death, I still think it was a great performance. I believe it misses the mark vs the other nominations that year, but I never saw it as Film Blasphemy. I know a lot of folks who do. Black Panther getting a best film nod? That group will see it either equal to or worse than Heath Ledger's oscar. At least with Heath he died for his Art.
People who thought TDK or Logan deserved a nomination. Everyone here knows this aspect of the population not much to say on that.
Actual Racists. I was born in SC and lived most of my life in either NC or SC. Those who think deep seeded racism is dead come down to my neck of the woods where people are secure enough in the power dynamics around here to throw around racial slurs in public and don't fear repercussions. I've heard the N word used by white people in public 3 times this week. (2 times in walmart)
Anti-PC people. They will see it as a at-a-boy here is your participation award.
I think all of these people would be a minority %, but they will be vocal as shit on the internet when/if it happens.
As for the rest of the population it will be touted as how Hollywood is changing, be pointed at for the strides we've made. It might significant as a small sign, it's just another award given to people by a corrupt industry, using corrupt tactics, in a soulless business. Just like every other Oscar given out.
Edit: There will be a group of people that will see it as validation in either the genre or the studio.
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Post by miike80 on Jan 2, 2019 13:56:38 GMT
Even if it wins, DC fans will say they got the award first. A make-up one for one of the worst CBM's ever made, but that doesn't mater
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