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Black Christians... Jan 3, 2019 19:16:30 GMT

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Post by clusium on Jan 3, 2019 19:16:30 GMT

Jan 3, 2019 15:04:03 GMT captainbryce said:

Jan 2, 2019 15:15:41 GMT clusium said:

Then you haven't been paying attention to what happened in the Book of Exodus. God Reigned down plague after plague on the Egyptians for their holding the Children of Israel in Bondage. God Condemns it right then & there!!!!!

The key words are highlighted! The plages were a demonstration/incintive/punishment towards the Egyptians for holding God’s people as slaves, not a provision against slavery as an institution. God didn’t want the Hebrews to be enslaved by other nations. He had no problem with people of other nations to be enslaved by the Hebrews. And he was also cool with Hebrews enslaving other Hebrews in certain circumstances.

Again, read the entire book of Exodus! Your problem is you just decided to stop at chapter 14 thinking that cherry picking only the beginning of Exodus counted as a comprehensive position on slavery; it doesn’t. Because God goes on to give laws about how to own slaves AFTER the Hebrews came out of slavery. He also expands on these laws in Leviticus in such a way that categorically disproves your assertion that condemnation of the Hebrew people being enslaved applies to all slavery.

Leviticus 25:39-45

“If your brother becomes poor beside you and sells himself to you, you shall not make him serve as a slave: he shall be with you as a hired worker and as a sojourner. He shall serve with you until the year of the jubilee. Then he shall go out from you, he and his children with him, and go back to his own clan and return to the possession of his fathers. For they are my servants, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt; they shall not be sold as slaves. You shall not rule over him ruthlessly but shall fear your God. As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property.

The obvious implication is that while Hebrew slaves are not to be treated ruthlessly, slaves of other nations can be. And while Hebrew slaves must be let go after the year of Jubilee (unless their master tricks them into having a wife and kid, in which case their pierce their ear and get to own them for life), non Hebrew slaves can always be owned for life and passed down to children as property. And by the way, the allowance for slaves to go free after Jubilee only applies to male slaves. Female slaves are still owned by the master. And female slaves were for sex!

Exodus 21:1-7 (AFTER the Hebrews were rescued from slavery)

“Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ then his master shall bring him to God, and he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall bore his ear through with an awl, and he shall be his slave forever. “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.

So you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about in this regard and you really need to go back and read the Bible again.

The Children of Israel were God's Chosen people. Yet, we are all children of God. God Used the bondage of the Children of Israel to show the world what will happen to them, when they misuse & abuse other people. Exodus chapter 22, verse 20: "You shall not oppress the stranger, for you were strangers in Egypt."

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Black Christians... Jan 4, 2019 4:53:11 GMT

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Post by captainbryce on Jan 4, 2019 4:53:11 GMT

Jan 3, 2019 19:16:30 GMT clusium said:

The Children of Israel were God's Chosen people. Yet, we are all children of God.

No “we” are not. You may believe that, but you have no biblical grounds for which to believe that since scripture clearly demonstrates that God doesn’t give a flying fuck about the Egyptians, the Sodomites, the Canaanites, the Amelakites, or all of the people in the world who existed in Noah’s time, minus one family. If we are all “children of God”, then what does it say about God’s character to slaughter so many of his children? Clearly, God’s allowance of slavery for non Hebrews was indicative of him not caring about the slaves of other nations as “his children”.

Jan 3, 2019 19:16:30 GMT clusium said:

God Used the bondage of the Children of Israel to show the world what will happen to them, when they misuse & abuse other people.

Really? Where does scripture say that? And by the way, even IF he did do that, that’d pretty much make him an evil monster!

Jan 3, 2019 19:16:30 GMT clusium said:

Exodus chapter 22, verse 20: "You shall not oppress the stranger, for you were strangers in Egypt."

Which obviously does not apply to non-Hebrew slaves, which you have still avoided offering an explanation for.

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Black Christians... Jan 4, 2019 5:14:20 GMT

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Post by clusium on Jan 4, 2019 5:14:20 GMT

Jan 4, 2019 4:53:11 GMT captainbryce said:

Jan 3, 2019 19:16:30 GMT clusium said:

The Children of Israel were God's Chosen people. Yet, we are all children of God.

No “we” are not. You may believe that, but you have no biblical grounds for which to believe that since scripture clearly demonstrates that God doesn’t give a flying fuck about the Egyptians, the Sodomites, the Canaanites, the Amelakites, or all of the people in the world who existed in Noah’s time, minus one family. If we are all “children of God”, then what does it say about God’s character to slaughter so many of his children? Clearly, God’s allowance of slavery for non Hebrews was indicative of him not caring about the slaves of other nations as “his children”.

Jan 3, 2019 19:16:30 GMT clusium said:

God Used the bondage of the Children of Israel to show the world what will happen to them, when they misuse & abuse other people.

Really? Where does scripture say that? And by the way, even IF he did do that, that’d pretty much make him an evil monster!

Jan 3, 2019 19:16:30 GMT clusium said:

Exodus chapter 22, verse 20: "You shall not oppress the stranger, for you were strangers in Egypt."

Which obviously does not apply to non-Hebrew slaves, which you have still avoided offering an explanation for.

Jonah chapter 4, verse 11: "And should I not Have Concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left, and also so many animals?"

Gospel according to St. John chapter 20, verse 17: "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet Ascended to My Father. Go and tell My brothers and tell them that I Am Going to My Father and Your Father; to My God and Your God."

When reading the Holy Bible, one must take in the lessons which it clearly teaches. The Book of Exodus shows God's Wrath on those who enslaves another people.

Of course Exodus chapter 22 verse 20 applies to non-Hebrew slaves. Who else could the strangers be the Hebrews themselves?

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Black Christians... Jan 4, 2019 5:44:20 GMT clusium likes this

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Post by goz on Jan 4, 2019 5:44:20 GMT

Jan 4, 2019 5:14:20 GMT clusium said:

Jan 4, 2019 4:53:11 GMT captainbryce said:

No “we” are not. You may believe that, but you have no biblical grounds for which to believe that since scripture clearly demonstrates that God doesn’t give a flying fuck about the Egyptians, the Sodomites, the Canaanites, the Amelakites, or all of the people in the world who existed in Noah’s time, minus one family. If we are all “children of God”, then what does it say about God’s character to slaughter so many of his children? Clearly, God’s allowance of slavery for non Hebrews was indicative of him not caring about the slaves of other nations as “his children”.

Really? Where does scripture say that? And by the way, even IF he did do that, that’d pretty much make him an evil monster!

Which obviously does not apply to non-Hebrew slaves, which you have still avoided offering an explanation for.

Jonah chapter 4, verse 11: "And should I not Have Concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left, and also so many animals?"

Gospel according to St. John chapter 20, verse 17: "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet Ascended to My Father. Go and tell My brothers and tell them that I Am Going to My Father and Your Father; to My God and Your God."

When reading the Holy Bible, one must take in the lessons which it clearly teaches. The Book of Exodus shows God's Wrath on those who enslaves another people.

Of course Exodus chapter 22 verse 20 applies to non-Hebrew slaves. Who else could the strangers be the Hebrews themselves?

I LOVE Chapter and Verse fights, as long as it doesn't get too messy nor too much blood!