Nolan's trilogy vs the Russo's 3 movies

Most everything really.

The direction, the cinematography, the use of practical effects with very little CGI, the acting, the musical score, the action sequences particularly the chase, the villain, the pacing, that they were able to make it that dark and intense while keeping it a PG-13, the interrogation scene and more.

Its a long movie and yet it never drags, there's hardly a dull moment in the movie.

It has one worthwhile flaw which is Christian Bales Batman voice and that's about it.

There won't be ever be another superhero better than it. They've made 60 other superhero movies since then and it's still considered the best of the lot even now.

It is to superhero movies what The Lion King is to Disney movies in that you go on Google and search for the "Top 10 Disney movies" and The Lion King won't necessarily be the #1 on every list but it will be on every list and it will be #1 on more of them than any other movie.

Hmmmm ... that’s a tough one. It all depends on how you weigh each entry. According to the research I did in another thread;

TDK is the best of the bunch.
Followed closely by BB, TWS, CW and IW.
TDKR is kinda the Fredo of the bunch.

The Nolan movies have the highest and the lowest points, while the Russo movies are consistently great.
It would be wimping out to call it a tie, so factoring in that it was more Heath Ledgers performance and less Nolan’s effort that elevated TDK above the others, I’m going to give the nod to the Russo Brothers.

A couple other contributing thoughts ...

We’re really only half way through the Russo’s magnus opus. When Infinity War concludes it will undoubtedly be the greatest, most ambitious, and most successful superhero movie(s) ever made. Does anyone (excluding the retarded among us) seriously doubt that for a second?

The Russo’s have done a brilliant job working within a Marvel universe that is populated by many different superheroes. Nolan took the easy approach and jettisoned all of the DC universe so he could create a believable place to tell his Batman story. The moment you introduce a flying alien or a guy that talks to fishes, the Nolan Batman universe collapses in a fit of giggles.

Hmmm ... maybe it’s not so tough after all. Russo’s, easily.

Whether he won the Oscar or not, his acting was phenomenal in the movie, his performance got universal praise and the character remains memorable to this day.

Him aside, everyone else put in a great acting performance that gets overlooked because of how good he was.

And people always prefer practical effects. The Truck flip is so please compared to what you get in most superhero movies but it's more impressive because they actually did it.

Its why these Mission Impossible movies get praise now because all these stunts are down for real. Now just CGI mixed with a green background.

So I don't have a problem with CGI saving lives.

As the director told Burt Reynolds when he practically killed himself going over the falls in Deliverance-it still looked like a dummy going over the falls.


There isn't acting in every movie?
Or the acting in TDK is superior to the acting in all of the other superhero movies ever made?

For my money it was no better or worse than most movies.


Lots of movies have a great score.
Nightmare Before Christmas.
Thor's music is very good. I have the soundtrack.
Burton tends to have good music in his films. That Batman of his which I happen to think is far darker than TDK.


Is that the one where he is being chased by cops on his motorcycle, cape billowing behind him, or was that DKR?

Yeah.
No.

Sorry.

I had hair halfway down my thighs. Do you know how often it caught in stuff? Doors?
Not to mention when I lived in snow country if I went out right after I washed my hair, it turned into a helmet. It was like a board hanging down my back.

And I did my share of floor length skirts. All skirts tend to get caught in doors so one has to be careful.

But that damned batcape not getting wrapped up in those motorcycle wheels?

That's magic.


Sorry.
It wasn't Ledger's best role.
As far as Jokers go, it comes in behind Nicholson's.
Has no one seen Heathers?
It's JD.
JD committed his murders to advance his theory that the only place diverse social castes could get along was in heaven.

Joker (honest, isn't the vocal delivery similar to Christan Slater) does all his stuff to prove everyone is equally rotten inside.

Nicholson's went insane on the screen. 2 bit thug became someone who lost all inhibitions, killing whoever he felt like, even his own chief henchman.

Hell, Mick on Ray Donovan is more of a villain, betraying his kids for his own gain when it benefits him.

Not really for me.

I still see Avengers as the superhero movie one cant cut anything from.

Batman Returns was darkee.


Oh hell, I hate that.

Sorry, but Gordon says they aren't going to give him any reason to get out on a technicality so they let him keep the makeup on?

I look at mug shots most every day. No one is allowed to keep costume style makeup on. That stuff would have been ordered scrubbed off.

Yet Gordon allows a vigilante he doesn't know the identity of into the room to beat Joker up?

So much for technicalities getting him out on the streets as an excuse to keep the makeup on. They needed it for the plot.


Disagree.

I love Thor.
Paid to see it 8 times in the theater.
I admit others do not find it as engrossing.

The makeup.
The vigilante interrogation
The cape on a motorcycle
What hospital would not keep someone with damaga as extreme as Dent's was in a medically induced coma? At least heavily sedated?

Yes they have.
Batfans love their hero's movies.

I know I love First Avenger & Thor more than most because those are my heroes.

I prefer the Crow to TDK



It'll crack.
Future generations won't leave it on its pedestal
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667.
My Life as a Dog 668
Great Escape 666

Superman The Movie was a re-entry at 685 (out of 1000), proving opinions on movies shift.

I don't tend to re-watch Disney that much.

Strange.

I will watch Rise of the Guardians whenever I catch it on the air. I love Megamind. Never tire of it.

I hit a point on Disney when I was taking my kid to them where I grew weary of the formula. It became so damned visible. Laugh here. Danger here, but not too dangerous. Endearing moment...they have pulling heartstrings to a science & I have to be in the mood for the manipulation

Forget Pixar. Brave made me cry so I don't watch it often, but Toy Story & the rest? They don't move me

I was never much for popular.
I like what I like.

I loved Solo. I hope it grows in reputation, but I still place it close to the top of films I saw this year. Its the only one I wanted to pay to see a 3rd time in a theater this year.

Unless you count Greatest Showman. I saw that 3 times, but it started in December 2017. Think it was twice this year.

Similar to Thor, it's a redemption story. One can argue there was a bit of redemption in Solo .
It resonates for me.

You know where I realized Ledger was incredible?
Brothers Grimm.

I had seen him in Knights Tale & 10 Things & Patriot, but I did not realize that was him until I saw the credits roll. My kid wanted to see it because it was Monty Python linked. I recognized Matt Damon. 
That was where I discovered Ledger had an amazing chameleon ability to become his role, not an actor interpreting a part 


What's the line in MiB about a person is smart but people are stupid?

I saw SO MUCH REALLY BAD practical effects on my childhood.

Ever watch old 60s tv shows? Where you can see the damned wire in the invisible effects? Where you can see the actor throw himself on the table in a fight?

My theory is the reason Marvel didn't really succeed until CGI was their heroes needed it to look real. Batman & Superman Hollywood has faked for decades. Ever see that 70s Spiderman series? The wallcrawling was cringeworthy.

So no.

I don't prefer practical effects because they were all there was in my childhood.

You guys are so damned spoiled.

Selena went from a petty thief who thinks about herself to someone who put others (Gotham and Bruce) first.

Blake went from someone who was a believer in the justice system and police force to someone who lost faith when he witnessed what happened to Batman by the end.

Alfred started out by trying to convince Bruce from not returning as the dark knight and took the step of leaving him. But by the end he realised that Batman needed to stop Bane and that he was finally able to escape and live the life he hoped he would.

Russos dont have anywhere near the same ability in their work to handle character arcs and intertwine them into a singular story cohesively.

There were 17 movies worth of character development before IW.  Avengers IW was the climax.

An interesting exercise ... trying to imagine a Russo TDK and a Nolan IW. 

Assuming they both had the same script, budget and cast to work with, I can very easily see a Russo TDK that was every bit as good as Nolan’s. I also think Nolan would struggle with managing the large MCU universe ... and I’d be afraid there would be too much Interstellar in a Nolan IW.

Both are tops at their craft. We’re just picking nits at this point.