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Post by Vegas on Jan 3, 2019 16:03:46 GMT
If one accepts the premise that the fall corrupted the world, the one reasonable conclusion is that god wanted it to corrupt the world. Given his placement of the tree of knowledge, a suspicious mind might even think he wanted the fall to happen. If a police department pulled a similar stunt they would be accused of entrapment, and any resulting prosecution would likely be invalidated by the courts. Actually.. It's not. Police leave keys in unmanned cars in high theft zones - known as "car bait" - to catch car thieves. The fact that something is there doesn't mean that you are being "entrapped" by it's presence. |
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Post by Vegas on Jan 3, 2019 16:15:53 GMT
He’s not slow just because you think he’s slow. He’s on time. I’m not quite sure why this has anything to do with genetics and environment being the reason for bone cancer. You said "he promises that those things will be done away with". He hasn't carried out his promise yet. So, he's waiting for some reason. What's his reason for waiting?
If God is real: Maybe He has a time-table that He is using... and that time isn't up, yet. Maybe He's waiting for us to realize that we need him... Maybe you're the asshole that holding shit up. There are several possible answers to this question... that seem rather basic. If you spent 1/10 of the time bitching about a God that you seem to know very little about just thinking about possible answers to these questions of yours - questions that make no sense other than you repeating "Me no understand why!" over and over.... and over... and over... you would have half of this shit figured out for yourself by now.  |
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Post by Isapop on Jan 3, 2019 16:20:59 GMT
You said "he promises that those things will be done away with". He hasn't carried out his promise yet. So, he's waiting for some reason. What's his reason for waiting?
If God is real: Maybe He has a time-table that He is using... and that time isn't up, yet. Maybe He's waiting for us to realize that we need him... Maybe you're the asshole that holding shit up. There are several possible answers to this question... that seem rather basic. If you spent 1/10 of the time bitching about a God that you seem to know very little about just thinking about possible answers to these questions of yours - questions that make no sense other than you repeating "Me no understand why!" over and over.... and over... and over... you would have half of this shit figured out for yourself by now. Maybe, maybe, maybe. I didn't ask you because you don't think you possess the answer. |
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Post by general313 on Jan 3, 2019 16:21:54 GMT
If a police department pulled a similar stunt they would be accused of entrapment, and any resulting prosecution would likely be invalidated by the courts. Actually.. It's not. Police leave keys in unmanned cars in high theft zones - known as "car bait" - to catch car thieves. The fact that something is there doesn't mean that you are being "entrapped" by it's presence. It seems the legality of such sting operations varies by country: not legal in Sweden, legal in the Land of the Free. |
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Post by Vegas on Jan 3, 2019 16:23:55 GMT
If God is real: Maybe He has a time-table that He is using... and that time isn't up, yet. Maybe He's waiting for us to realize that we need him... Maybe you're the asshole that holding shit up. There are several possible answers to this question... that seem rather basic. I didn't ask you because you don't think you possess the answer. Maybe.  But, like I said... Possible answers aren't that hard to figure out. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 3, 2019 16:58:16 GMT
He’s not slow just because you think he’s slow. He’s on time. I’m not quite sure why this has anything to do with genetics and environment being the reason for bone cancer. You said "he promises that those things will be done away with". He hasn't carried out his promise yet. So, he's waiting for some reason. What's his reason for waiting?
Do promises come with a time stamp guarantee? There’s a bunch of reasons why he is waiting. Would you like me to read the Bible to you? |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 3, 2019 17:06:36 GMT
You said "he promises that those things will be done away with". He hasn't carried out his promise yet. So, he's waiting for some reason. What's his reason for waiting?
If God is real: Maybe He has a time-table that He is using... and that time isn't up, yet. Maybe He's waiting for us to realize that we need him... Maybe you're the asshole that holding shit up. There are several possible answers to this question... that seem rather basic. If you spent 1/10 of the time bitching about a God that you seem to know very little about just thinking about possible answers to these questions of yours - questions that make no sense other than you repeating "Me no understand why!" over and over.... and over... and over... you would have half of this shit figured out for yourself by now. The weird thing is I could have sworn they were whining about the flood not too long ago and God waiting until the last possible minute to do something (Only Noah and his family weren’t hopelessly wicked) and they wanted people to have more time in that situation. Now they’re wanting him to hurry up because he’s taking too long. That’s a lot of demands and especially to a fictional deity! |
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Post by Isapop on Jan 3, 2019 17:12:35 GMT
You said "he promises that those things will be done away with". He hasn't carried out his promise yet. So, he's waiting for some reason. What's his reason for waiting?
Do promises come with a time stamp guarantee? There’s a bunch of reasons why he is waiting. Would you like me to read the Bible to you? A whole bunch of reasons! Then you DO know why he's waiting. But, after two chances at it, you don't even want to offer one good, solid, logical reason out of that whole bunch.
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Post by goz on Jan 4, 2019 2:29:33 GMT
You said "he promises that those things will be done away with". He hasn't carried out his promise yet. So, he's waiting for some reason. What's his reason for waiting?
Do promises come with a time stamp guarantee? There’s a bunch of reasons why he is waiting. Would you like me to read the Bible to you? Is the answer in the Bible? Is it clear or just your interpretation of something that you can conjure up as reason/reasons? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 4:05:32 GMT
Those are not the question I asked. I asked you if it would be within his power to create life in such a way that cancer could never exist in any form, no matter what. Would it, or would it not? It did answer it but godless brains have a tough time understanding so let’s pretend that god doesn’t exist and yet exists which seems to be the implication of every question of this nature. Whatever you need to tell yourself. Excellent. Ahhh, interesting. Such as what? I mean, cancer happens when cells go out of control. Eliminating cancer would be most easily accomplished by ensuring that cells could never go out of control but always behaved normally. What other beneficial factors would this remove, exactly? It seems to me that it would just lead to humans living as normal, except no cancer. The same could be said of other genetic diseases, actually. Well to make that judgement I'd need to know what these other factors are. Let me know and I'll give you an answer. That's a curious thing to drop in there out of nowhere. How would the non-existence of cancer remove your ability to love anyone you choose? (Aside - is love even a choice?) I would have said it was the opposite; cancer itself reduces your ability to love anyone, there are many people you could potentially love that you will never meet, because they died of cancer. I'm sorry, but I have no idea what this means. I've honestly tried, but it's just a word salad. Perhaps you would consider rewording it? No, you gave a clear yes this time. So we've established that god could have avoided the existence of cancer. You're now asserting that he didn't because he had good reasons not to, the elimination would have caused something even worse. Now we wait to see what you think those worse things are.  It's an interesting approach, you're basically arguing that the natural world we have is the best world that it possibly could be given that it's sinful - that god himself could not have made it any better. I'm intrigued to see you try and justify that. It seems to me that you've abandoned the idea of god as omnipotent, and just consider him somebody who is trying his best just like the rest of us! |
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Post by goz on Jan 4, 2019 5:30:26 GMT
It did answer it but godless brains have a tough time understanding so let’s pretend that god doesn’t exist and yet exists which seems to be the implication of every question of this nature. Whatever you need to tell yourself. Excellent. Ahhh, interesting. Such as what? I mean, cancer happens when cells go out of control. Eliminating cancer would be most easily accomplished by ensuring that cells could never go out of control but always behaved normally. What other beneficial factors would this remove, exactly? It seems to me that it would just lead to humans living as normal, except no cancer. The same could be said of other genetic diseases, actually. Well to make that judgement I'd need to know what these other factors are. Let me know and I'll give you an answer. That's a curious thing to drop in there out of nowhere. How would the non-existence of cancer remove your ability to love anyone you choose? (Aside - is love even a choice?) I would have said it was the opposite; cancer itself reduces your ability to love anyone, there are many people you could potentially love that you will never meet, because they died of cancer. I'm sorry, but I have no idea what this means. I've honestly tried, but it's just a word salad. Perhaps you would consider rewording it? No, you gave a clear yes this time. So we've established that god could have avoided the existence of cancer. You're now asserting that he didn't because he had good reasons not to, the elimination would have caused something even worse. Now we wait to see what you think those worse things are. It's an interesting approach, you're basically arguing that the natural world we have is the best world that it possibly could be given that it's sinful - that god himself could not have made it any better. I'm intrigued to see you try and justify that. It seems to me that you've abandoned the idea of god as omnipotent, and just consider him somebody who is trying his best just like the rest of us! I love this post. It is my top 10 Graham posts. These are the best bits: Cool: or the ability to fall in love with anyone I choose. You: in answer to a non-sequitur - How would the non-existence of cancer remove your ability to love anyone you choose? then I would have said it was the opposite; cancer itself reduces your ability to love anyone, there are many people you could potentially love that you will never meet, because they died of cancer. Your logic is relentless! and I LOL'd even though it was a pitiable subject matter. I read this as a really amazing notion that we cause our own cancer and that it is avoidable if you don't either hook up with the wrong person OR invite the risk of cancer in any number of unspecified ways ( I am assuming because of original sin) This paragraph is some really weird shit! |
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