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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 5, 2019 13:39:54 GMT
Aquaman is an outstanding commercial and visual triumph. But is there any depth to this movie? Yes there is. It does not have the philosophical themes of BvS or the complex hero's journey arcs of MoS or WW but Aquaman too is not all shallow. I have worked out some themes, messages and quotes (some from memory) as follows:  |
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jan 5, 2019 20:12:51 GMT
Yeah, I liked the Best of both Worlds aspect to it. Always a winner when you start quote Verne.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 20:26:55 GMT
I called the movie brainless, so you deepdived and managed to dig up 8 supposed themes. Well, 7, since there's a "2-parter" in there. And the other 6 are variations of "leaders shouldn't be dickheads", so really 2. But hey, very admirable. That means the movie almost has as much depth as The Lion King!
I wish Orn had more than 11 minutes of screentime in this two and a half hour long movie to really emphasize those themes. I also wish we were shown how the surface dwellers effect Atlantis instead of being told "we're moderately annoyed by your Twinkie wrappers!". Instead we get a false flag operation that serves to keep Orn purely in the wrong, and thus Theme 1 carries little weight.
Show don't tell, it's a basic concept, and erases the need for Australian Mantra to spend two weeks building an argument for your would-be basic ideas.
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Post by NormanClature on Jan 6, 2019 1:59:20 GMT
I called the movie brainless, so you deepdived and managed to dig up 8 supposed themes. Well, 7, since there's a "2-parter" in there. And the other 6 are variations of "leaders shouldn't be dickheads", so really 2. But hey, very admirable. That means the movie almost has as much depth as The Lion King! I wish Orn had more than 11 minutes of screentime in this two and a half hour long movie to really emphasize those themes. I also wish we were shown how the surface dwellers effect Atlantis instead of being told "we're moderately annoyed by your Twinkie wrappers!". Instead we get a false flag operation that serves to keep Orn purely in the wrong, and thus Theme 1 carries little weight. Show don't tell, it's a basic concept, and erases the need for Australian Mantra to spend two weeks building an argument for your would-be basic ideas. He is just trolling, bro. Even he can't be serious about extrapolating any meaning from that meatheaded CGI shitfest. 
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 6:36:42 GMT
I called the movie brainless, so you deepdived and managed to dig up 8 supposed themes. Well, 7, since there's a "2-parter" in there. And the other 6 are variations of "leaders shouldn't be dickheads", so really 2. But hey, very admirable. That means the movie almost has as much depth as The Lion King! I wish Orn had more than 11 minutes of screentime in this two and a half hour long movie to really emphasize those themes. I also wish we were shown how the surface dwellers effect Atlantis instead of being told "we're moderately annoyed by your Twinkie wrappers!". Instead we get a false flag operation that serves to keep Orn purely in the wrong, and thus Theme 1 carries little weight. Show don't tell, it's a basic concept, and erases the need for Australian Mantra to spend two weeks building an argument for your would-be basic ideas. He is just trolling, bro. Even he can't be serious about extrapolating any meaning from that meatheaded CGI shitfest.
I don't know about that, but I do know he stole my pun and put it in the title of the thread.  |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 6, 2019 12:25:20 GMT
I called the movie brainless, so you deepdived and managed to dig up 8 supposed themes. Well, 7, since there's a "2-parter" in there. And the other 6 are variations of "leaders shouldn't be dickheads", so really 2. But hey, very admirable. That means the movie almost has as much depth as The Lion King! I wish Orn had more than 11 minutes of screentime in this two and a half hour long movie to really emphasize those themes. I also wish we were shown how the surface dwellers effect Atlantis instead of being told "we're moderately annoyed by your Twinkie wrappers!". Instead we get a false flag operation that serves to keep Orn purely in the wrong, and thus Theme 1 carries little weight. Show don't tell, it's a basic concept, and erases the need for Australian Mantra to spend two weeks building an argument for your would-be basic ideas. He is just trolling, bro. Even he can't be serious about extrapolating any meaning from that meatheaded CGI shitfest. Slandering a film mindlessly as "meatheaded CGI shitfest" says nothing on whether a story has any meaning. Your comment is thus as empty as it is fallacious. You being you again, you apparently gave my "extrapolations" the same level of attention as the film itself - which you infamously watched on a crappy pirated version while constantly "looking on your watch" (hence your ample, documented oversights). Your credibility is thus null and void. |
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Post by NormanClature on Jan 6, 2019 13:18:39 GMT
He is just trolling, bro. Even he can't be serious about extrapolating any meaning from that meatheaded CGI shitfest. Slandering a film mindlessly as "meatheaded CGI shitfest" says nothing on whether a story has any meaning. Your comment is thus as empty as it is fallacious. You being you again, you apparently gave my "extrapolations" the same level of attention as the film itself - which you infamously watched on a crappy pirated version while constantly "looking on your watch" (this your ample, documented oversights). Your credibility is thus null and void. You are wrong on several counts, my hypocritical old "DCU tribalist" chum. The first one being that I gave your pathetic fanboy drivel the same level of attention I gave the movie itself. Given that I had just eaten, I decided that It would be prudent not read any of it, so your assumption is very wide of the mark.  
And secondly, Aquaman is a dumb popcorn movie. Most superhero movies are dumb popcorn movies. Ragnarok (for example) is a dumb (highly entertaining) popcorn movie. The difference between you and I, buddy, is that I don't have a problem admitting it and have no desire to create the pretense of it being anything more. As far as the OP goes, it looks as though you have got down on your knees, pulled down the it's fishy, spandex tights, cupped it's sweet and sour prawn balls and started gagging. I would be embarrassed for you if it wasn't so funny.
Dude, it's a freaking superhero movie! It's not Kafka or Pirandello!
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Post by NormanClature on Jan 6, 2019 14:02:43 GMT
He is just trolling, bro. Even he can't be serious about extrapolating any meaning from that meatheaded CGI shitfest.
I don't know about that, but I do know he stole my pun and put it in the title of the thread. Maybe his plagiarism is a subconscious metaphor for the DCU copying the MCU in a Johnny come lately attempt to emulate their unparalleled box office success?  |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jan 6, 2019 17:17:07 GMT
Aquaman is an outstanding commercial and visual triumph. But is there any depth to this movie? Yes there is. It does not have the philosophical themes of BvS or the complex hero's journey arcs of MoS or WW but Aquaman too is not all shallow. I have worked out some themes, messages and quotes (some from memory) as follows: You do realize just about every one of those themes are generic and as cliche as they come in a story. This post reeks of desperation of trying to prop up the DCEU because you can't stand the fact DC made a fun dumb action blockbuster without the overbearing pretentions that was actually successful. |
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Post by NormanClature on Jan 6, 2019 17:59:17 GMT
You do realize just about every one of those themes are generic and as cliche as they come in a story. This post reeks of desperation of trying to prop up the DCEU because you can't stand the fact DC made a fun dumb action blockbuster without the overbearing pretentions that was actually successful. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 6, 2019 18:21:26 GMT
Aquaman is an outstanding commercial and visual triumph. But is there any depth to this movie? Yes there is. It does not have the philosophical themes of BvS or the complex hero's journey arcs of MoS or WW but Aquaman too is not all shallow. I have worked out some themes, messages and quotes (some from memory) as follows: You do realize just about every one of those themes are generic and as cliche as they come in a story. You do realize you missed the point. 1. The point is to work out the themes and messages of this film by demonstrating plot points and quotes. I did not make any claim as to how profound or how original these themes and messages are. But my OP demonstrates that this is not just mindless, empty clobber porn, but undeniably has themes, messages and subtext. 2. Secondly, you say generic and cliche? Really? You do realize that your claim will need substance. I assume you know the meaning of "generic" and "cliche". Now demonstrate succinctly to me where, for starters say themes 1-3 ie - "Nature Strikes Back" (concrete: OceanPollution/AtlanteanDownfall) - "Breaking Cycle of Violence Arc (Manta/Arthur/Orm) - Difference of king & hero by diversity (best of both worlds) are also used in other CBMs to the point they become cliched and generic themes? Having heard about ocean pollution in school or the news will not do the trick btw. Please provide concrete quotes, plot points and proper references from comparable genre films. The desperate reek you smell is demonstrably homemade on your end. I cannot remember "overbearing pretentions" or subtext themes & messages in eg Suicide Squad. There, your argument falls flat already. Aquaman may be dumb fun, but there is no such thing with arguments. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jan 6, 2019 19:16:16 GMT
You do realize just about every one of those themes are generic and as cliche as they come in a story. You do realize you missed the point. 1. The point is to work out the themes and messages of this film by demonstrating plot points and quotes. I did not make any claim as to how profound or how original these themes and messages are. But my OP demonstrates that this is not just mindless, empty clobber porn, but undeniably has themes, messages and subtext. 2. Secondly, you say generic and cliche? Really? You do realize that your claim will need substance. I assume you know the meaning of "generic" and "cliche". Now demonstrate succinctly to me where, for starters say themes 1-3 ie - "Nature Strikes Back" (concrete: OceanPollution/AtlanteanDownfall) - "Breaking Cycle of Violence Arc (Manta/Arthur/Orm) - Difference of king & hero by diversity (best of both worlds) are also used in other CBMs to the point they become cliched and generic themes? Having heard about ocean pollution in school or the news will not do the trick btw. Please provide concrete quotes, plot points and proper references from comparable genre films. The desperate reek you smell is demonstrably homemade on your end. I cannot remember "overbearing pretentions" or subtext themes & messages in eg Suicide Squad. There, your argument falls flat already. Aquaman may be dumb fun, but there is no such thing with arguments. Dude, you're just a biased DC fan. That's all it is. So you automatically think all DC films are some deep and profound film because you're jealous of the MCU's success. You and DC-Fan and summers8 are all alike. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 6, 2019 19:58:00 GMT
You do realize you missed the point. 1. The point is to work out the themes and messages of this film by demonstrating plot points and quotes. I did not make any claim as to how profound or how original these themes and messages are. But my OP demonstrates that this is not just mindless, empty clobber porn, but undeniably has themes, messages and subtext. 2. Secondly, you say generic and cliche? Really? You do realize that your claim will need substance. I assume you know the meaning of "generic" and "cliche". Now demonstrate succinctly to me where, for starters say themes 1-3 ie - "Nature Strikes Back" (concrete: OceanPollution/AtlanteanDownfall) - "Breaking Cycle of Violence Arc (Manta/Arthur/Orm) - Difference of king & hero by diversity (best of both worlds) are also used in other CBMs to the point they become cliched and generic themes? Having heard about ocean pollution in school or the news will not do the trick btw. Please provide concrete quotes, plot points and proper references from comparable genre films. The desperate reek you smell is demonstrably homemade on your end. I c annot remember "overbearing pretentions" or subtext themes & messages in eg Suicide Squad. There, your argument falls flat already. Aquaman may be dumb fun, but there is no such thing with arguments. Dude, you're just a biased DC fan. That's all it is. So you automatically think all DC films are some deep and profound film because you're jealous of the MCU's success. You and DC-Fan and summers8 are all alike.Amazing, how did we make that random jump to Marvel and MCU-envy? Your default rant when you got nothing, right? And wrong, DC-Fan and summers8 are the nice guys. You should know by now, I'm a lot less forgiving.  QED |
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Post by NormanClature on Jan 6, 2019 20:22:06 GMT
You do realize you missed the point. 1. The point is to work out the themes and messages of this film by demonstrating plot points and quotes. I did not make any claim as to how profound or how original these themes and messages are. But my OP demonstrates that this is not just mindless, empty clobber porn, but undeniably has themes, messages and subtext. 2. Secondly, you say generic and cliche? Really? You do realize that your claim will need substance. I assume you know the meaning of "generic" and "cliche". Now demonstrate succinctly to me where, for starters say themes 1-3 ie - "Nature Strikes Back" (concrete: OceanPollution/AtlanteanDownfall) - "Breaking Cycle of Violence Arc (Manta/Arthur/Orm) - Difference of king & hero by diversity (best of both worlds) are also used in other CBMs to the point they become cliched and generic themes? Having heard about ocean pollution in school or the news will not do the trick btw. Please provide concrete quotes, plot points and proper references from comparable genre films. The desperate reek you smell is demonstrably homemade on your end. I cannot remember "overbearing pretentions" or subtext themes & messages in eg Suicide Squad. There, your argument falls flat already. Aquaman may be dumb fun, but there is no such thing with arguments. Dude, you're just a biased DC fan. That's all it is. So you automatically think all DC films are some deep and profound film because you're jealous of the MCU's success. You and DC-Fan and summers8 are all alike. You can tell that despite the near incessant circle-jerking (mostly with himself ) over the movie's BO success, he is inwardly seething that his beloved DCU had to sell out on their pretentious vision in order to gain a hit with general audiences. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 7, 2019 10:04:27 GMT
He is just trolling, bro. Even he can't be serious about extrapolating any meaning from that meatheaded CGI shitfest.
I don't know about that, but I do know he stole my pun and put it in the title of the thread. holy mackerel, Aqualad! The "deep dive" pun was in there as from creating the OP before you even commented. It refers to " you have to forget all the teaching of the surface world, go deeper to discover your Atlantean instincts." quote, and to the deep-dive gif I inserted, and my introduction about depth. If you check the Aquamonies thread I happily surf the tidal wave of all possible Aquapuns there too. It's like poetry, it rhymes. So technically, you stole from me and the joke(er) is on you. |
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 7, 2019 14:04:27 GMT
I called the movie brainless, so you deepdived and managed to dig up 8 supposed themes. Well, 7, since there's a "2-parter" in there. And the other 6 are variations of "leaders shouldn't be dickheads", so really 2. But hey, very admirable. That means the movie almost has as much depth as The Lion King! I wish Orn had more than 11 minutes of screentime in this two and a half hour long movie to really emphasize those themes. I also wish we were shown how the surface dwellers effect Atlantis instead of being told "we're moderately annoyed by your Twinkie wrappers!". Instead we get a false flag operation that serves to keep Orn purely in the wrong, and thus Theme 1 carries little weight. Show don't tell, it's a basic concept, and erases the need for Australian Mantra to spend two weeks building an argument for your would-be basic ideas.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 9:17:17 GMT
I don't know about that, but I do know he stole my pun and put it in the title of the thread. holy mackerel, Aqualad! The "deep dive" pun was in there as from creating the OP before you even commented. It refers to " you have to forget all the teaching of the surface world, go deeper to discover your Atlantean instincts." quote, and to the deep-dive gif I inserted, and my introduction about depth. If you check the Aquamonies thread I happily surf the tidal wave of all possible Aquapuns there too. It's like poetry, it rhymes. So technically, you stole from me and the joke(er) is on you. Seems fishy I would unconsciously reply with the same pun, but if you say so. I don't want a Lucas-style Who Punned First argument to drown out my other one. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 8, 2019 11:42:23 GMT
holy mackerel, Aqualad! The "deep dive" pun was in there as from creating the OP before you even commented. It refers to " you have to forget all the teaching of the surface world, go deeper to discover your Atlantean instincts." quote, and to the deep-dive gif I inserted, and my introduction about depth. If you check the Aquamonies thread I happily surf the tidal wave of all possible Aquapuns there too. It's like poetry, it rhymes. So technically, you stole from me and the joke(er) is on you. Seems fishy I would unconsciously reply with the same pun, but if you say so. I don't want a Lucas-style Who Punned First argument to drown out my other one. nothing fishy about it; in the end, you were just nipping at my heels like a feisty little guppy. One man's fish is another man's poisson. Just beware: Fish in another man's pond and you will catch laser crabs. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jan 8, 2019 17:16:51 GMT
Seems fishy I would unconsciously reply with the same pun, but if you say so. I don't want a Lucas-style Who Punned First argument to drown out my other one. nothing fishy about it; in the end, you were just nipping at my heels like a feisty little guppy. One man's fish is another man's poisson. Just beware: Fish in another man's pond and you will catch laser crabs. Being a loquacious prick doesn't make you sound any more intelligent, especially when you reference George Lucas. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jan 8, 2019 17:46:27 GMT
Dude, you're just a biased DC fan. That's all it is. So you automatically think all DC films are some deep and profound film because you're jealous of the MCU's success. You and DC-Fan and summers8 are all alike.Amazing, how did we make that random jump to Marvel and MCU-envy? Your default rant when you got nothing, right? And wrong, DC-Fan and summers8 are the nice guys. You should know by now, I'm a lot less forgiving. QED Where's your deep dive in themes and messages for Black Panther? And this isn't a bias thing to say, but Black Panther has more depth and meaningful message than Aquaman. |
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