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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 6, 2019 3:37:32 GMT
I am establishing an objective fact about what the popular opinion is. Popular works of art are judged by subjective popular opinion. If your opinion differs significantly from the norm, then by definition, your opinion is abnormal. Case in point would be someone who declares that The Avengers, Iron Man, Winter Soldier and Logan are terrible movies. That person’s opinion is abnormal. I know a huge number of people who would consider any film featuring superheroes to be terrible and a complete waste of time to go see. I don't feel them to have any kind of "abnormal" opinion. I may not agree with the them, but there is nothing abnormal about it. Another failed bait thread by the OP.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 3:54:45 GMT
I know a huge number of people who would consider any film featuring superheroes to be terrible and a complete waste of time to go see. I don't feel them to have any kind of "abnormal" opinion. I may not agree with the them, but there is nothing abnormal about it. Another failed bait thread by the OP. Well your bait threads may be more entertaining, one can have more fun with the "Making nonsense out of the plot", bait threads than the "I'm certain I can make facts about opinion" bait threads that this guy and summers seem to favor... but your last couple really flopped. Up your game, find something you can get people riled up about vs. finding the hole in your stuff so quickly. I think you might just be out of practice.
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Post by Roberto on Jan 6, 2019 4:03:21 GMT
Nope. You are wrong. Garbage list.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 6, 2019 7:27:00 GMT
The problem is if you did this with the Worst Superhero movies, MCU would probably be heavily featured. My guesses that could be featured in the worst of lists would be:
MCU: The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor, Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World, Ant-Man and the Wasp
Marvel: Howard the Duck, The Punisher (89), Captain America (90), Daredevil, Blade: Trinity, Elektra, Spider-Man 3, Ghost Rider, Ghost Rider 2, The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Fantastic Four (2015)
DCEU: Batman v Superman, Suicide Squad, Justice League
DC: Superman III, Supergirl, Superman IV, The Return of Swamp Thing, Batman & Robin, Steel, Catwoman, Jonah Hex, Green Lantern
X-Men: The Last Stand, Origins: Wolverine, Apocalypse
That would end up being something like:
MCU: Six Marvel: Eleven DCEU: Three DC: Nine X-Men: Three
Since Marvel has eleven, and DC has nine, does that mean they make the worst superhero movies... PERIOD?
DCEU and X-Men only have three each. Does that mean they make the LEAST amount of worst superhero movies... PERIOD?
I like what you're going for in this thread, but it doesn't make much sense. That would mean that DC and Marvel, which made TDK and Raimi trilogies, respectively, would make the worst possible superhero films.
Obviously this is just speculation on my part based on some educated guesses of what would be on numerous worst CBM lists, but when I have time I'll do more research into it that matches yours and see what I come up with. Unless someone else takes on the task before me.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 6, 2019 8:35:11 GMT
The problem is if you did this with the Worst Superhero movies, MCU would probably be heavily featured. My guesses that could be featured in the worst of lists would be: MCU: The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor, Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World, Ant-Man and the Wasp Marvel: Howard the Duck, The Punisher (89), Captain America (90), Daredevil, Blade: Trinity, Elektra, Spider-Man 3, Ghost Rider, Ghost Rider 2, The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Fantastic Four (2015) DCEU: Batman v Superman, Suicide Squad, Justice League DC: Superman III, Supergirl, Superman IV, The Return of Swamp Thing, Batman & Robin, Steel, Catwoman, Jonah Hex, Green Lantern X-Men: The Last Stand, Origins: Wolverine, Apocalypse That would end up being something like: MCU: Six Marvel: Eleven DCEU: Three DC: Nine X-Men: Three Since Marvel has eleven, and DC has nine, does that mean they make the worst superhero movies... PERIOD? DCEU and X-Men only have three each. Does that mean they make the LEAST amount of worst superhero movies... PERIOD? I like what you're going for in this thread, but it doesn't make much sense. That would mean that DC and Marvel, which made TDK and Raimi trilogies, respectively, would make the worst possible superhero films. Obviously this is just speculation on my part based on some educated guesses of what would be on numerous worst CBM lists, but when I have time I'll do more research into it that matches yours and see what I come up with. Unless someone else takes on the task before me. Lol, no. If you did a worst movie list no MCU movie would even make it into the top 20. Even the worst MCU movie is still a decent movie and nowhere near the likes of Catwoman or F4ntastic. The way you made your lists isn't the same way the OP made his lists. His lists included data from numerous websites to rank these movies and then counter how many of the ranked movies belonged to each franchise. It wasn't just about listing the worst movies of each franchise and then counting them.
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Post by damngumby on Jan 6, 2019 11:30:22 GMT
I am establishing an objective fact about what the popular opinion is. Popular works of art are judged by subjective popular opinion. If your opinion differs significantly from the norm, then by definition, your opinion is abnormal. Case in point would be someone who declares that The Avengers, Iron Man, Winter Soldier and Logan are terrible movies. That person’s opinion is abnormal. I know a huge number of people who would consider any film featuring superheroes to be terrible and a complete waste of time to go see. I don't feel them to have any kind of "abnormal" opinion. I may not agree with the them, but there is nothing abnormal about it. Non superhero movie fans would naturally be excluded from any discussion about superhero movies. You don’t ask a vegetarian which hamburger is best.
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Post by damngumby on Jan 6, 2019 11:42:51 GMT
The problem is if you did this with the Worst Superhero movies, MCU would probably be heavily featured. There is no “probably”. It is not. Fact. Just Google “worst superhero movies” and you get a bunch of lists. See for yourself. Looks like DC and the DCEU really clean up in that catagory. No sign of a MCU film anywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 13:01:33 GMT
I know a huge number of people who would consider any film featuring superheroes to be terrible and a complete waste of time to go see. I don't feel them to have any kind of "abnormal" opinion. I may not agree with the them, but there is nothing abnormal about it. Non superhero movie fans would naturally be excluded from any discussion about superhero movies. You don’t ask a vegetarian which hamburger is best. Ok so you are just saying that superhero fans who don't like MCU films are the "abnormal ones" because you have run the movies through your patented popularity data cruncher and determined the the MCU are factually the "best"? , Right??
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 6, 2019 13:15:00 GMT
The problem is if you did this with the Worst Superhero movies, MCU would probably be heavily featured. My guesses that could be featured in the worst of lists would be: MCU: The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor, Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World, Ant-Man and the Wasp Marvel: Howard the Duck, The Punisher (89), Captain America (90), Daredevil, Blade: Trinity, Elektra, Spider-Man 3, Ghost Rider, Ghost Rider 2, The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Fantastic Four (2015) DCEU: Batman v Superman, Suicide Squad, Justice League DC: Superman III, Supergirl, Superman IV, The Return of Swamp Thing, Batman & Robin, Steel, Catwoman, Jonah Hex, Green Lantern X-Men: The Last Stand, Origins: Wolverine, Apocalypse That would end up being something like: MCU: Six Marvel: Eleven DCEU: Three DC: Nine X-Men: Three Since Marvel has eleven, and DC has nine, does that mean they make the worst superhero movies... PERIOD? DCEU and X-Men only have three each. Does that mean they make the LEAST amount of worst superhero movies... PERIOD? I like what you're going for in this thread, but it doesn't make much sense. That would mean that DC and Marvel, which made TDK and Raimi trilogies, respectively, would make the worst possible superhero films. Obviously this is just speculation on my part based on some educated guesses of what would be on numerous worst CBM lists, but when I have time I'll do more research into it that matches yours and see what I come up with. Unless someone else takes on the task before me. Lol, no. If you did a worst movie list no MCU movie would even make it into the top 20. Even the worst MCU movie is still a decent movie and nowhere near the likes of Catwoman or F4ntastic. The way you made your lists isn't the same way the OP made his lists. His lists included data from numerous websites to rank these movies and then counter how many of the ranked movies belonged to each franchise. It wasn't just about listing the worst movies of each franchise and then counting them. Yes. That's why I very much included the whole part about "Obviously this is just speculation on my part based on some educated guesses of what what would be on numerous CBM lists, but when I have time I'll do more research into it that matches yours and see what I come up with. Unless someone else takes on the task before me."
Please do not just assume things about me or what I was trying to say. I was saying that if we were to compile a list in a similar manner but with the "worst" superhero films, that it might say something different.
The very fact that the MCU has such a huge amount of films means it's likely going to have a good amount of the best CBMs, and a good amount of the worst.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 6, 2019 13:17:36 GMT
The problem is if you did this with the Worst Superhero movies, MCU would probably be heavily featured. There is no “probably”. It is not. Fact. Just Google “worst superhero movies” and you get a bunch of lists. See for yourself. Looks like DC and the DCEU really clean up in that catagory. No sign of a MCU film anywhere. Listen. I'm a mega-MCU fan. I love all those films. I even find a huge amount of enjoyment out of watching the ones that suck. I'm just saying that it'd be interesting to see the same kind of analysis put towards the "Worst" CBMs.
And I'm sorry.. but if Thor: The Dark World isn't among the worst of the superhero genre.. and definitely the worst of the MCU, then that's a load of crap.
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Post by damngumby on Jan 6, 2019 15:15:09 GMT
Non superhero movie fans would naturally be excluded from any discussion about superhero movies. You don’t ask a vegetarian which hamburger is best. Ok so you are just saying that superhero fans who don't like MCU films are the "abnormal ones" because you have run the movies through your patented popularity data cruncher and determined the the MCU are factually considered the "best"? , Right?? Yes. (Slight modification to your statement in bold)
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jan 6, 2019 15:29:54 GMT
1. Spider-Man (2002) 2. Batman Returns 3. Logan 4. X2 5. Batman 6. X-Men: First Class 7. Spider-Man 2 8. X-Men: Days of Future Past 9. Into the Spiderverse 10. Daredevil
... Nope, not a single MCU flick cracks my top ten. Sounds like a personal problem to me.
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Post by damngumby on Jan 6, 2019 16:36:35 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 6, 2019 17:21:07 GMT
Lol, no. If you did a worst movie list no MCU movie would even make it into the top 20. Even the worst MCU movie is still a decent movie and nowhere near the likes of Catwoman or F4ntastic. The way you made your lists isn't the same way the OP made his lists. His lists included data from numerous websites to rank these movies and then counter how many of the ranked movies belonged to each franchise. It wasn't just about listing the worst movies of each franchise and then counting them. Yes. That's why I very much included the whole part about "Obviously this is just speculation on my part based on some educated guesses of what what would be on numerous CBM lists, but when I have time I'll do more research into it that matches yours and see what I come up with. Unless someone else takes on the task before me."
Please do not just assume things about me or what I was trying to say. I was saying that if we were to compile a list in a similar manner but with the "worst" superhero films, that it might say something different.
The very fact that the MCU has such a huge amount of films means it's likely going to have a good amount of the best CBMs, and a good amount of the worst.
I don't think you understood what I just said. The list in the OP was a list of top 10 best superhero films, then the OP counted which studio had the most movies in the top 10. Can you honestly tell me that you think the MCU will have a "good amount of movies" in any top 10 worst superhero movies list? Anyway, King Kong Brady already made the thread so that's that. But you can go ahead and google "worst superhero movies" and none of them include an MCU movie. I know you don't like Thor TDW, but it still way better than the likes of Catwoman or Green Lantern or Elektra. Maybe if you made a top 30 worst movie list an MCU movie will finally make it through.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 6, 2019 17:24:01 GMT
1. Spider-Man (2002) 2. Batman Returns 3. Logan 4. X2 5. Batman 6. X-Men: First Class 7. Spider-Man 2 8. X-Men: Days of Future Past 9. Into the Spiderverse 10. Daredevil ... Nope, not a single MCU flick cracks my top ten. Sounds like a personal problem to me. I'm digging that Batman Returns love. I think it's my favorite movie to watch during Christmas. It has such a winter vibe.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 6, 2019 17:27:13 GMT
Yes. That's why I very much included the whole part about "Obviously this is just speculation on my part based on some educated guesses of what what would be on numerous CBM lists, but when I have time I'll do more research into it that matches yours and see what I come up with. Unless someone else takes on the task before me."
Please do not just assume things about me or what I was trying to say. I was saying that if we were to compile a list in a similar manner but with the "worst" superhero films, that it might say something different.
The very fact that the MCU has such a huge amount of films means it's likely going to have a good amount of the best CBMs, and a good amount of the worst.
I don't think you understood what I just said. The list in the OP was a list of top 10 best superhero films, then the OP counted which studio had the most movies in the top 10. Can you honestly tell me that you think the MCU will have a "good amount of movies" in any top 10 worst superhero movies list? Anyway, King Kong Brady already made the thread so that's that. Yeah I'm super stoked he made the thread. I was excited to see how it ended up.
But X-Men Origins: Wolverine didn't even make the cut. And Steel is higher up than the 2015 Fantastic Four? I mean, both those movies suck, but FF is way more watchable than Steel.
Anyways, don't know why you had to be so snarky about it.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 6, 2019 17:31:41 GMT
I don't think you understood what I just said. The list in the OP was a list of top 10 best superhero films, then the OP counted which studio had the most movies in the top 10. Can you honestly tell me that you think the MCU will have a "good amount of movies" in any top 10 worst superhero movies list? Anyway, King Kong Brady already made the thread so that's that. Yeah I'm super stoked he made the thread. I was excited to see how it ended up.
But X-Men Origins: Wolverine didn't even make the cut. And Steel is higher up than the 2015 Fantastic Four? I mean, both those movies suck, but FF is way more watchable than Steel.
Anyways, don't know why you had to be so snarky about it.
I'm re-reading my orinal reply to you... and I don't see that it's snarky. I heavily disagreed with it, and I guess that shows in my tone, but no snark was intended. If I it was then I apologize.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 19:07:55 GMT
I don't know if I can completely agree with the notion that the MCU makes the "best superhero movies" though. They make the most. And some of them are truly excellent. But while most are at least good, they aren't all masterpieces by any means. Yes, Marvel has made more good movies than WB or Sony. But TDK and Spiderman 2 are still leagues better than most MCU movies, at least in my opinion (and yours too according to your own top ten!) , so it really depends on how you want to look at this. No one said they are all masterpieces. If the MCU just consistently pumped out mediocre/good movies then they wouldn’t be dominating the top ten. The data shows that TDK has a solid lead over even The Avengers, so hat tip to Christopher Nolan. It’s ironic that the superhero movie most widely viewed as the best is one that tried the most to be least like a superhero movie. That probably has something to say about the genre, in general. I don't really see TDK as shying away from comic bookiness the way some do. I mean, look at Two Face! There's nothing realistic about that. The Winter Soldier and Iron Man are just as "grounded" if you ask me.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 6, 2019 19:21:13 GMT
The problem is if you did this with the Worst Superhero movies, MCU would probably be heavily featured. My guesses that could be featured in the worst of lists would be: MCU: The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor, Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World, Ant-Man and the Wasp Marvel: Howard the Duck, The Punisher (89), Captain America (90), Daredevil, Blade: Trinity, Elektra, Spider-Man 3, Ghost Rider, Ghost Rider 2, The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Fantastic Four (2015) DCEU: Batman v Superman, Suicide Squad, Justice League DC: Superman III, Supergirl, Superman IV, The Return of Swamp Thing, Batman & Robin, Steel, Catwoman, Jonah Hex, Green Lantern X-Men: The Last Stand, Origins: Wolverine, Apocalypse That would end up being something like: MCU: Six Marvel: Eleven DCEU: Three DC: Nine X-Men: Three Since Marvel has eleven, and DC has nine, does that mean they make the worst superhero movies... PERIOD? DCEU and X-Men only have three each. Does that mean they make the LEAST amount of worst superhero movies... PERIOD? I like what you're going for in this thread, but it doesn't make much sense. That would mean that DC and Marvel, which made TDK and Raimi trilogies, respectively, would make the worst possible superhero films. Obviously this is just speculation on my part based on some educated guesses of what would be on numerous worst CBM lists, but when I have time I'll do more research into it that matches yours and see what I come up with. Unless someone else takes on the task before me. Another failed bait thread by the OP!
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jan 6, 2019 19:31:10 GMT
No one said they are all masterpieces. If the MCU just consistently pumped out mediocre/good movies then they wouldn’t be dominating the top ten. The data shows that TDK has a solid lead over even The Avengers, so hat tip to Christopher Nolan. It’s ironic that the superhero movie most widely viewed as the best is one that tried the most to be least like a superhero movie. That probably has something to say about the genre, in general. I don't really see TDK as shying away from comic bookiness the way some do. I mean, look at Two Face! There's nothing realistic about that. The Winter Soldier and Iron Man are just as "grounded" if you ask me. But do they embrace the wondrous?
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