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Post by Vegas on Jan 13, 2019 0:07:20 GMT
Because... It is a possibility... Yes it is. It is just not a very possible possibility, just an extremely unlikely possibility. And you still failed to back up your opinion with facts. Holy shit... First off... You said it was less likely than Santa existing... which makes it more of an "impossible" argument... Second off... Do I really need to list facts to prove something that everybody.. besides you... already knows??? Damn... You are just so fucking stupid... Dude... North Korea was threatening the US with a "pre-emptive" nuclear strike just 2 years ago... Do I really need to go into this?... Are you really that fucking stupid? The answer to that question is up to you.... Don't cry to me about me pointing that answer out to you.
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Post by phludowin on Jan 13, 2019 0:23:31 GMT
Yes it is. It is just not a very possible possibility, just an extremely unlikely possibility. And you still failed to back up your opinion with facts. Holy shit... First off... You said it was less likely than Santa existing... which makes it more of an "impossible" argument... Santa exists. As a fictional character.I saw him today. He was a statue in a mall. See? I can use invisible fonts too.Dude... North Korea was threatening the US with a "pre-emptive" nuclear strike just 2 years ago... Do I really need to go into this?... Did they go through with it? Apparently not.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 13, 2019 0:27:47 GMT
Holy shit... First off... You said it was less likely than Santa existing... which makes it more of an "impossible" argument... Santa exists. As a fictional character.I saw him today. He was a statue in a mall. See? I can use invisible fonts too.Dude... North Korea was threatening the US with a "pre-emptive" nuclear strike just 2 years ago... Do I really need to go into this?... Did they go through with it? Apparently not.Full fucking idiot status proven.
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Post by phludowin on Jan 13, 2019 0:32:10 GMT
Full fucking idiot status proven. More personal insults, no rational arguments. Thanks for proving my point. Again and again.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 13, 2019 0:35:43 GMT
Full fucking idiot status proven. More personal insults, no rational arguments. Thanks for proving my point. Again and again. If your point is "Vegas keeps pointing out that I'm a fucking idiot"... Then... Yes. Your point has been proven. If you fail to see that my point that you're a fucking idiot has been proven... Then.. That just proves my point that you're a fucking idiot.
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Post by phludowin on Jan 13, 2019 0:45:58 GMT
More personal insults, no rational arguments. Thanks for proving my point. Again and again. If your point is "Vegas keeps pointing out that I'm a fucking idiot"... Then... Yes. Your point has been proven. It's not. If you fail to see that my point that you're a fucking idiot has been proven... Then.. That just proves my point that you're a fucking idiot. Splendid circular reasoning, worthy of a religious literalist and fundamentalist, and therefore sort of appropriate for this board. Of course, circular reasoning is a logical fallacy; but this hasn't stopped religious fundamentalists in the past. I'm off to bed now. Good night.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 13, 2019 0:48:22 GMT
Apparently you wanted a serious response to this display of utter stupidity... So here we go: Holy shit... First off... You said it was less likely than Santa existing... which makes it more of an "impossible" argument... Santa exists. As a fictional character. I saw him today. He was a statue in a mall.Nobody would take this stupidity seriously.... Nobody. You're a fucking fucking fucking idiot. "Not going through with it" doesn't negate the actual threat... or the potential of a different outcome. Apparently... the only way to prove the risk to you is after we're all dead... So yeah... You are a fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking idiot. Are we done now??.... How much more of an idiot can you prove yourself to be??
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Post by Vegas on Jan 13, 2019 0:56:34 GMT
If your point is "Vegas keeps pointing out that I'm a fucking idiot"... Then... Yes. Your point has been proven. It's not. If you fail to see that my point that you're a fucking idiot has been proven... Then.. That just proves my point that you're a fucking idiot. Splendid circular reasoning, worthy of a religious literalist and fundamentalist, and therefore sort of appropriate for this board. Of course, circular reasoning is a logical fallacy; but this hasn't stopped religious fundamentalists in the past. I'm off to bed now. Good night. I know... Heavy is the brow that is wears "The Dumbest Person On Earth" cap... Who is a religious fundamentalist?? You just say stupid shit just to say stupid shit to anger yourself. "RELIGION FUNDAMENTALIST BAD!! BAD!! GRRRRR!!! DUMBASS SMASH!! GRRRRRRRR!!!"
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Post by goz on Jan 13, 2019 1:35:48 GMT
When you read about the "worst case scenarios" for global warming, it's pretty ghastly. In those scenarios it seems that the rates of human misery world wide would increase to the kinds of levels that more resemble the time before the so called terrible "last days".
...and do you think that JWs should take 'credit' for that and claim to have have predicted it for hundreds of years? In other words is the possible future calamity of God's or human's making?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 13, 2019 1:44:36 GMT
When you read about the "worst case scenarios" for global warming, it's pretty ghastly. In those scenarios it seems that the rates of human misery world wide would increase to the kinds of levels that more resemble the time before the so called terrible "last days".
...and do you think that JWs should take 'credit' for that and claim to have have predicted it for hundreds of years? In other words is the possible future calamity of God's or human's making? Why would this matter? Geez, people argue about the dumbest things. Goz: Derp! Humanity is going extinct! That'll teach those JW's! Derp!
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Post by goz on Jan 13, 2019 2:01:03 GMT
...and do you think that JWs should take 'credit' for that and claim to have have predicted it for hundreds of years? In other words is the possible future calamity of God's or human's making? Why would this matter? Geez, people argue about the dumbest things. Goz: Derp! Humanity is going extinct! That'll teach those JW's! Derp! You lot didn't predict it. You are now getting on the bandwagon. BTW like all your other predictions over the millennia, it is unlikely to happen, and should it, it would have zip/zero/nada to do with God, only man.
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Post by looking4klingons on Jan 13, 2019 5:27:56 GMT
Someone on here said that only those who didn't believe that these were the Last Days, were presenting evidence. What do you think the OP contained?! There was one article after another, from respected historians, world leaders, and others, detailing how the post-1914 world, utterly differed from the pre-1914 world! You could even call it a Gish! It's not only about "standards of living", or "poverty". It's also concerning peoples' attitudes toward others: their families, their neighbors, authority figures, etc. Their selfishness.. They (attitudes) have deteriorated! (2 Timothy 3:1-5) Take those psychedelic glasses off! My grandparents, back in the '70s, used to mentioned how they could leave their homes unlocked, with no worries about someone robbing them. Most neighbors could be relied on, and cared for each other. Most kids were raised showing respect for others, obedient in school, and listened to their teachers... not shooting them - and each other - with guns. Families were stronger in general, they stayed together despite hardship; the children had both parents for support. Societies were stronger as a result. Now, many kids don't even know who their father was. But more evidence is wanted? Ok. How about increasing depression: www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/major-depression-rise-among-everyone-new-data-shows-n873146....or poverty (it seems to be the measuring stick for some on this forum): www.dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-about-global-poverty....or homelessness: www.socialsolutions.com/blog/2016-homelessness-statistics/Many of these problems are due directly or indirectly to peoples' greedy and selfish attitudes, so prevalent everywhere! I could go on and on. Stop and smell reality, not your hallucinatory roses.
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Post by phludowin on Jan 13, 2019 10:17:30 GMT
Someone on here said that only those who didn't believe that these were the Last Days, were presenting evidence. That would have been me. What do you think the OP contained?! There was one article after another, from respected historians, world leaders, and others, detailing how the post-1914 world, utterly differed from the pre-1914 world! I wouldn't call the quotes in the OP "articles". I prefer calling them "results of extensive quote-mining". Some were from smart and influential people; but they don't contain much hard data. None at all, in fact. These quotes are mostly quotes about how people felt about before and after 1914. I am not disputing that some people feel bad about before and after 1914. You seem to be an example for them. What none of these quotes says or pretends to say, is that the world today is worse off than the world before 1914. It's not only about "standards of living", or "poverty". It's also concerning peoples' attitudes toward others: their families, their neighbors, authority figures, etc. Their selfishness.. They (attitudes) have deteriorated! (2 Timothy 3:1-5) Take those psychedelic glasses off! My grandparents, back in the '70s, used to mentioned how they could leave their homes unlocked, with no worries about someone robbing them. Most neighbors could be relied on, and cared for each other. Most kids were raised showing respect for others, obedient in school, and listened to their teachers... not shooting them - and each other - with guns. Families were stronger in general, they stayed together despite hardship; the children had both parents for support. Societies were stronger as a result. Now, many kids don't even know who their father was. And before 1914, women mostly didn't have voting rights. It was legal for husbands to beat their wives, to prevent them from getting a job... These injustices were corrected in Germany only in 1975. Also common was that children had their future spouses picked by their parents. And whether children being raised to become obedient and subservient people is a good thing is debatable. And you know where there is still relatively more family and neighborhood togetherness, complete with oppression of women and children? Answer: In developing countries. factsanddetails.com/world/cat57/sub379/item2174.htmlIf family togetherness is a good thing, why aren't people from developed countries who are fed up with "selfishness" or "deteriorated attitudes" moving to developing countries? In fact, it's the other way round. People from developing countries are trying to come to the developed world. Depression is not new. It was already known before 1914. But psychology as a medical field was relatively young then, so today people get diagnosed with depression who before 1914 would just have been called "melancholic". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_depressionThis article can't be read in the EU. But other posters have posted plenty of stats about poverty decreasing. Does this article refute them? Also nothing new. Homelessness existed before 1914. And homeless people were treated quite worse then. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness#Early_history_through_the_1800sIn fact, looking down on homeless people as "lazy" is something that might have started with the rise of Protestantism. Maybe people living in shelters for homeless people in the developed world are better off than people living with their large families in developing countries. Many of these problems are due directly or indirectly to peoples' greedy and selfish attitudes, so prevalent everywhere! Or maybe with some religious doctrines like Protestantism. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethicI could go on and on. Stop and smell reality, not your hallucinatory roses. Follow your own advice. Except it seems to be toxic religiosity instead of hallucinatory roses you might want to get rid of.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 14, 2019 2:53:33 GMT
What do you think the OP contained?! There was one article after another, from respected historians, world leaders, and others, detailing how the post-1914 world, utterly differed from the pre-1914 world! I wouldn't call the quotes in the OP "articles". I prefer calling them "results of extensive quote-mining". Some were from smart and influential people; but they don't contain much hard data. None at all, in fact. These quotes are mostly quotes about how people felt about before and after 1914. I am not disputing that some people feel bad about before and after 1914. You seem to be an example for them. What none of these quotes says or pretends to say, is that the world today is worse off than the world before 1914. looking4klingonsI wouldn't worry too much about this asshat's opinion... He just spent the last 2 pages pretending that the very real possibility of a nuclear exchange doesn't exist because it was brought by a religious person. It's a good bet that if you (or any other theist) were to start a thread about how God has blessed the 20th & 21st century with ever-increasing peace and prosperity... he'd be on it with those very same links (or ones very much like them) claiming that you're nuts because the world is going to hell in a handbasket. He's just that kind of asshole.
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Post by goz on Jan 14, 2019 3:09:14 GMT
I wouldn't call the quotes in the OP "articles". I prefer calling them "results of extensive quote-mining". Some were from smart and influential people; but they don't contain much hard data. None at all, in fact. These quotes are mostly quotes about how people felt about before and after 1914. I am not disputing that some people feel bad about before and after 1914. You seem to be an example for them. What none of these quotes says or pretends to say, is that the world today is worse off than the world before 1914. looking4klingons I wouldn't worry too much about this asshat's opinion... He just spent the last 2 pages pretending that the very real possibility of a nuclear exchange doesn't exist because it was brought by a religious person. It's a good bet that if you (or any other theist) were to start a thread about how God has blessed the 20th & 21st century with ever-increasing peace and prosperity... he'd be on it with those very same links (or ones very much like them) claiming that you're nuts because the world is going to hell in a handbasket. He's just that kind of asshole. I find this post irrational, unfounded in any evidence, off topic, and pushing your own personal barrow against another poster. I see no foundation in truth.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 14, 2019 3:10:29 GMT
I see no foundation in truth. No truer words have ever been spoken.
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 14, 2019 3:22:13 GMT
I wouldn't call the quotes in the OP "articles". I prefer calling them "results of extensive quote-mining". Some were from smart and influential people; but they don't contain much hard data. None at all, in fact. These quotes are mostly quotes about how people felt about before and after 1914. I am not disputing that some people feel bad about before and after 1914. You seem to be an example for them. What none of these quotes says or pretends to say, is that the world today is worse off than the world before 1914. looking4klingons I wouldn't worry too much about this asshat's opinion... He just spent the last 2 pages pretending that the very real possibility of a nuclear exchange doesn't exist because it was brought by a religious person. It's a good bet that if you (or any other theist) were to start a thread about how God has blessed the 20th & 21st century with ever-increasing peace and prosperity... he'd be on it with those very same links (or ones very much like them) claiming that you're nuts because the world is going to hell in a handbasket. He's just that kind of asshole. PHD_DE rightfully pointed out that Tas-10 was indulging in quote mining.
Here's a short refutation of the idiot Tas_10 points that any one with common sense will agree.
Property crime has been on a decline for 3 straight decades now. Yes, the property crimes had risen to a high level in the 1970s but that has happened before too. Just like the 1970s, property crime had risen in 1850s and 1890s too. The belief that the world post-1914 is different from the world pre-1914 because theft has increased or robbery has increased is utter nonsense. Which by the way hasn't increased from the pre-1914 levels. In India, for instance, the terrible Thuggee cult wreaked havoc in the 1800s while they ceased to exist in the 1900s. The murder rate was 7 times higher in the Victorian era (pre-1914 world) than it is today. Almost all through the world except a few exceptions the homicide rate has fallen. I guess we surely don't want to go back to 1500s?
This emotion-driven argument doesn't even need refutation. While there are leftists today who are snowflakes, the general norms and manners of society have greatly increased . Blacks have seen a great increase in their rights and so have other minorities. Now before someone points out that racism is still around, I do like to point out that the society before 1914 had much worse racism.
Tas-10 is a religious fanatic and most of his points are based on emotions, quote mining and agenda to prove his point because his religion has brainwashed him. Sure, there is a nuclear threat, but there are checks in place and no group of outlaws has control over the nuclear weapons. The thing that amazes me is why are you trying to prove the idiot Tas-1o right? Do you believe Jehovah witness are the people who have figured it out? What about the Chinese, Indians, Europeans? None of us have seen any difference in post-1914 word compared to the pre-1914 world unless you quote mine articles of war times. Wars have happened before too. Almost as dreadful wars as the second world and more dreadful if you adjust for the population. And finally, nobody is saying that the world has no problem. The main argument is that this religious propaganda of JW that a specific year (1914) indicates the last days is utter bullshit. The vast majority of people outside of this little community of JW do not see any association. Why are we expected not to point out that fact than agree with this propaganda?
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 14, 2019 3:28:50 GMT
looking4klingons I wouldn't worry too much about this asshat's opinion... He just spent the last 2 pages pretending that the very real possibility of a nuclear exchange doesn't exist because it was brought by a religious person. It's a good bet that if you (or any other theist) were to start a thread about how God has blessed the 20th & 21st century with ever-increasing peace and prosperity... he'd be on it with those very same links (or ones very much like them) claiming that you're nuts because the world is going to hell in a handbasket. He's just that kind of asshole. I find this post irrational, unfounded in any evidence, off topic, and pushing your own personal barrow against another poster. I see no foundation in truth. Well, how many times they repeat this fear mongering not many people outside of JW community is gonna take this propaganda of world coming to an end and "Witnesses are going to live on earth forever" nonsense. Here in India, we have all sorts of idiots, liars, corrupt people (though not as much as in 1800s) but we have not discovered this great trend that the world is in its last days and everything started changing after 1914s. In short, I feel amused when I hear that a community is peddling this garbage. More amused that the missionaries of this community try to propagate their agenda and then when you don't agree with them then they say we are not caring about the world because of our "selfish desires".
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 14, 2019 3:34:23 GMT
I find this post irrational, unfounded in any evidence, off topic, and pushing your own personal barrow against another poster. I see no foundation in truth. Well, how many times they repeat this fear mongering not many people outside of JW community is gonna take this propaganda of world coming to an end and "Witnesses are going to live on earth forever" nonsense. Here in India, we have all sorts of idiots, liars, corrupt people (though not as much as in 1800s) but we have not discovered this great trend that the world is in its last days and everything started changing after 1914s. In short, I feel amused when I hear that a community is peddling this garbage. More amused that the missionaries of this community try to propagate their agenda and then when you don't agree with them then they say we are not caring about the world because of our "selfish desires". Are you amused when a community peddles the "global warming" garbage?
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Post by Vegas on Jan 14, 2019 3:38:20 GMT
PHD_DE rightfully pointed out that Tas-10 was indulging in quoting mining.
Here's a short refutation of the idiot Tas_10 points that any one with common sense will agree.
Wait.... Is kingons really Tas-10?... Is Phludowin really PHD-DE? That would explain a lot. It's a common emotional stance.... That in of itself is a sign of a problem of some sort... Cold statistics don't always have the answer to everything.... and it doesn't mean that those people are necessarily wrong. Everything is relative and based on perspective.. And their perspective is their own. ... You don't know where his grandparents lived.
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