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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 15:26:31 GMT
Well yes. History is replete with turning points. 1815, 1455, 1215, 1066... you name it. Hmmm. And yet, here we are living in a way better world than they had in 1914. So it seems like this predetermined march towards disaster faded out. What happened in 1455 that is so remarkable? 1453 sounds more important because it was year that Constantinople fell to the Ottomans... The Wars of the Roses began, and the Guttenberg bible was printed.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 9, 2019 15:43:08 GMT
[Again no one is predicting a day or year for the end of the world. What day or what year are JW’s predicting exactly. You may have read more literature than me. Of course that still doesn’t have anything to don’t with what I’m educating you on. Yeah, JWs didn't pick dates multiple times before I get it that you are not predicting a year again because you have been proven losers in predicting many times before. This time, the Watchtower is "sorta" predicting a year for Armageddon. They're pointing the way without being explicit. It's in this article of theirs (from 2003) all about the "parallels" between the last days just before Noah's flood and our world today: wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003923 Here's how they know "that the end of the present world is near...Some 90 years have passed since the last days of this system of things began in 1914." In Noah's time the "last days" lasted for 120 years, and then the end came. The article gives the reader those numbers, which implicitly invites him to do the arithmetic ("let's see, 1914 plus 120 years..."). So while the article doesn't SAY Armageddon will come in 2034, that's the inference you're encouraged to draw. Looking at the history of WT end of the world forecasts, their pattern is pretty clear. They keep telling the current generation that Armageddon will come in their lifetimes. That seems to work with a sufficient number of people.
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Post by maya55555 on Jan 9, 2019 16:15:17 GMT
NO.
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 9, 2019 16:22:29 GMT
Yeah, JWs didn't pick dates multiple times before I get it that you are not predicting a year again because you have been proven losers in predicting many times before. This time, the Watchtower is "sorta" predicting a year for Armageddon. They're pointing the way without being explicit. It's in this article of theirs (from 2003) all about the "parallels" between the last days just before Noah's flood and our world today: wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003923 Here's how they know "that the end of the present world is near...Some 90 years have passed since the last days of this system of things began in 1914." In Noah's time the "last days" lasted for 120 years, and then the end came. The article gives the reader those numbers, which implicitly invites him to do the arithmetic ("let's see, 1914 plus 120 years..."). So while the article doesn't SAY Armageddon will come in 2034, that's the inference you're encouraged to draw. Looking at the history of WT end of the world forecasts, their pattern is pretty clear. They keep telling the current generation that Armageddon will come in their lifetimes. That seems to work with a sufficient number of people.
That is my exact point. They are not being explicit but anyone with common sense can see what these talks are attempting to do.
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 9, 2019 16:25:40 GMT
This is one of the reasons I had said Catholicism is relatively better form of Christianity in my opinion. It doesn't encourage cultish behaviour as much as some of the other religious schools do.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 9, 2019 16:45:44 GMT
There's been several failed predictions, so probably not anytime soon. If were to ever have an "apocalypse" it would most likely be from nuclear warfare or shortage of resources.
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Post by general313 on Jan 9, 2019 17:00:22 GMT
Well, what have news articles, respected historians, and world leaders stated? Notice how 1914 has seemed to be a turning point! : Well yes. History is replete with turning points. 1815, 1455, 1215, 1066... you name it. Hmmm. And yet, here we are living in a way better world than they had in 1914. So it seems like this predetermined march towards disaster faded out. Let's not leave out 1588, the English defeat of the Spanish Armada. If that had happened differently, most of North America would not be speaking English.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 9, 2019 17:09:27 GMT
This is one of the reasons I had said Catholicism is relatively better form of Christianity in my opinion. It doesn't encourage cultish behaviour as much as some of the other religious schools do. I'm not a member of any cult, and I believe we are in the Last Days right now. Exception to the rule?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 9, 2019 17:11:51 GMT
There's been several failed predictions, so probably not anytime soon. If were to ever have an "apocalypse" it would most likely be from nuclear warfare or shortage of resources. Well, please don't include David Meade with those failed predictions. The MSM misquoted him terribly.
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Post by general313 on Jan 9, 2019 17:13:58 GMT
This is one of the reasons I had said Catholicism is relatively better form of Christianity in my opinion. It doesn't encourage cultish behaviour as much as some of the other religious schools do. I'm not a member of any cult, and I believe we are in the Last Days right now. Exception to the rule? Would you be okay with a government policy that assumes the distant future doesn't matter because the Last Days make it irrelevant? Can you see how someone that doesn't think that might have a problem with that kind of thinking, especially in a democracy?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 9, 2019 17:20:08 GMT
I'm not a member of any cult, and I believe we are in the Last Days right now. Exception to the rule? Would you be okay with a government policy that assumes the distant future doesn't matter because the Last Days make it irrelevant? Can you see how someone that doesn't think that might have a problem with that kind of thinking, especially in a democracy? That's not what the government of my country (which isn't a democracy BTW) is doing. They've been preparing for decades. They simply cover up their preparations under false pretexts like global warming, war on terror, etc. And they don't tell it to the Herd because if the Herd knew that 80% of the world's population is going to be dead in twelve years of less they would quit their jobs and stop paying taxes, and the government doesn't want that, so they keep the Herd divided, distracted, and dumb.
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Post by general313 on Jan 9, 2019 17:30:11 GMT
Would you be okay with a government policy that assumes the distant future doesn't matter because the Last Days make it irrelevant? Can you see how someone that doesn't think that might have a problem with that kind of thinking, especially in a democracy? That's not what the government of my country is doing. Are you saying that our country is concerned with the future? That's funny, I thought we had elections in 2016 and 2018. Or did I just dream it? Q.E.D.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 9, 2019 17:34:07 GMT
That's not what the government of my country is doing. Are you saying that our country is concerned with the future? That's funny, I thought we had elections in 2016 and 2018. Or did I just dream it? Q.E.D. I just got through telling you that the government of our country is very concerned with the future and has been preparing for it for decades. No, it's not funny. And no, you didn't dream it. The elections are rigged, much like professional wrestling.
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Post by general313 on Jan 9, 2019 17:44:23 GMT
Are you saying that our country is concerned with the future? That's funny, I thought we had elections in 2016 and 2018. Or did I just dream it? Q.E.D. I just got through telling you that the government of our country is very concerned with the future and has been preparing for it for decades. No, it's not funny. And no, you didn't dream it. The elections are rigged, much like professional wrestling. So in your view American government policy is integral to biblical prophecy I suppose. All I can say is to repeat the question I asked earlier: "Can you see how someone that doesn't think that might have a problem with that kind of thinking, especially in a democracy (or a society purported to be a democracy where public opinion just might have some sway in the turn of events)?" Edit: by the way, it has been questioned many times on this board why atheists get all bothered about what religious people believe, perhaps this thread might provide an answer.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 9, 2019 17:58:12 GMT
I just got through telling you that the government of our country is very concerned with the future and has been preparing for it for decades. No, it's not funny. And no, you didn't dream it. The elections are rigged, much like professional wrestling. So in your view American government policy is integral to biblical prophecy I suppose. All I can say is to repeat the question I asked earlier: "Can you see how someone that doesn't think that might have a problem with that kind of thinking, especially in a democracy (or a society purported to be a democracy where public opinion just might have some sway in the turn of events)?" Edit: by the way, it has been questioned many times on this board why atheists get all bothered about what religious people believe, perhaps this thread might provide an answer. Whether someone has a problem with that kind of thinking is totally irrelevant. Would you prefer it if the government announced to the public that an unparalleled disaster is coming? I would prefer it, but that's because I'm honest.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 18:38:53 GMT
So in your view American government policy is integral to biblical prophecy I suppose. All I can say is to repeat the question I asked earlier: "Can you see how someone that doesn't think that might have a problem with that kind of thinking, especially in a democracy (or a society purported to be a democracy where public opinion just might have some sway in the turn of events)?" Edit: by the way, it has been questioned many times on this board why atheists get all bothered about what religious people believe, perhaps this thread might provide an answer. Whether someone has a problem with that kind of thinking is totally irrelevant. Would you prefer it if the government announced to the public that an unparalleled disaster is coming? I would prefer it, but that's because I'm honest. I generally prefer that governments don't lie. Since they do not in fact know, or even believe, that some weird biblical disaster is coming, they shouldn't say there is, of course.
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Post by general313 on Jan 9, 2019 18:49:32 GMT
So in your view American government policy is integral to biblical prophecy I suppose. All I can say is to repeat the question I asked earlier: "Can you see how someone that doesn't think that might have a problem with that kind of thinking, especially in a democracy (or a society purported to be a democracy where public opinion just might have some sway in the turn of events)?" Edit: by the way, it has been questioned many times on this board why atheists get all bothered about what religious people believe, perhaps this thread might provide an answer. Whether someone has a problem with that kind of thinking is totally irrelevant. Would you prefer it if the government announced to the public that an unparalleled disaster is coming? I would prefer it, but that's because I'm honest. Irrelevant to you. You say you're not of any cult, but you sure act like it: you have no interest in seeing things from anyone else's point of view. Perhaps you're honest, but you're certainly delusional.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 9, 2019 18:58:12 GMT
Whether someone has a problem with that kind of thinking is totally irrelevant. Would you prefer it if the government announced to the public that an unparalleled disaster is coming? I would prefer it, but that's because I'm honest. Irrelevant to you. You say you're not of any cult, but you sure act like it: you have no interest in seeing things from anyone else's point of view. Perhaps you're honest, but you're certainly delusional. Other people's thoughts are no threat to you. My advice is that you find some worldly thing that interests you and focus on it. There's no sense in troubling over what religious people think. Enjoy your life. What I post here was never meant for the heathen anyway.
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Post by general313 on Jan 9, 2019 19:44:19 GMT
Irrelevant to you. You say you're not of any cult, but you sure act like it: you have no interest in seeing things from anyone else's point of view. Perhaps you're honest, but you're certainly delusional. Other people's thoughts are no threat to you. My advice is that you find some worldly thing that interests you and focus on it. There's no sense in troubling over what religious people think. Enjoy your life. What I post here was never meant for the heathen anyway. But they are, in the form of an ill-informed populace that elects corrupt and unqualified candidates to national office who then enact unsound and harmful policies that are damaging this country.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 9, 2019 20:01:46 GMT
Other people's thoughts are no threat to you. My advice is that you find some worldly thing that interests you and focus on it. There's no sense in troubling over what religious people think. Enjoy your life. What I post here was never meant for the heathen anyway. But they are, in the form of an ill-informed populace that elects corrupt and unqualified candidates to national office who then enact unsound and harmful policies that are damaging this country. Too bad.
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