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Post by movieliker on Jan 11, 2019 2:38:28 GMT
The argument is, the Eagles can get a lot more for Wence than Foles (because Wence is younger and more talented - if not more effective). Maybe two first round picks.
What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 2:49:28 GMT
Keep both. Foles cap hit will be $20 million and Wentz will be at $8 million. Having $28 million tied up in your QB position is not that egregious in today's NFL.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 2:51:06 GMT
If the Eagles win another Super Bowl you sign Foles to a lifetime contract no matter what the price.
He's already a God here.
I love Wentz.
Sounds ridiculous holding onto 2 assets (who won't see equal playing time) when you can get assets in return for one in areas of need.
But how do you possibly jetson off a 2 time Super Bowl Winning QB who rescued you 2 years in a row.
After the Super Bowl - I would have dealt Foles for the rumored first round pick that was out there or even a 2nd rounder and additional assets.
After another Super Bowl?
You can't disrespect a God like that by trading him.
I would have thought the possibility of trading Wentz was 0.0000001%. But if Foles wins another Super Bowl? It may be 0.00000002%.
He's the prototype QB - big, mobile - one drawback - even at North Dakota State - has just been 'injury prone' and I hate to put that label on anybody implying they may be a 'China Doll'.
Hold onto both.
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Post by sdm3 on Jan 11, 2019 2:52:17 GMT
Wence? 
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Post by Xeliou66 on Jan 11, 2019 3:14:56 GMT
Keep Foles and trade Wentz. It’s clear Foles should be the franchise QB, he’s been magical for the Eagles in these last 2 seasons, Wentz is very good but they should trade him for draft picks and keep Foles as their franchise QB.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 3:35:43 GMT
Wentz is the far better QB. It's mind boggling that any one can claim Foles is the better choice.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 3:54:49 GMT
I thought Foles was a Free Agent after this year. Have I been reading wrong? According to this article from last month it seems the thought process is he will be a Free Agent. Link: www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001000068/article/nick-foles-expected-to-be-a-free-agent-after-the-season"The expectation is that Foles, thanks in part to his altered deal, will be a free agent. Here is why: The Eagles have a $20-million option for 2019, which they would only pick up if he's the starter (and Wentz should make a full recovery, so Foles won't start). Foles can buy back the option by paying $2 million. The team can also franchise him, theoretically. So almost certainly, he's free." So, my guess is under this situation that the Eagles win the Super Bowl again, the Eagles then Franchise tag him? Because according to above it seems like a forgone conclusion that Foles buys out his option at $2 million to hit free agency and make what would be more guaranteed money and a chance to start. Last year the Franchise Tag for a QB was $23.189 Million. That will increase with after recent QB signings rising like Kirk Cousins, Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers. So i'd say it goes to over $24 million at the least. It jumped from $21.268 in 2017 to $23.189 in 2018. So nearly jumped $2 million. So in this scenario the Eagles Franchise Tag Foles at let's say $24.5 Million. That gives them an extended time to talk contract with him if they choose to trade Wentz. Or, they then use Foles under the Franchise Tag (which there is a chance he refuses to sign it ala LeVeon Bell) and look to trade him. There is then another option of letting Foles walk in free agency and they get a Compensatory pick back for the following years draft. I would expect something along the lines of a 3rd round pick? Possibly a 2nd at the highest. Now if Foles signs the Tag then I think the Eagles could get a LATE 1st round pick or an early 2nd (Jimmy G Trade as Example) round pick for him by a QB hungry team. But who is that team? That Giants and the Jags are in positions to draft a cheap and rookie controlled QB. Jags don't have crap for cap space and wouldn't trade a top 10 pick for Foles. I don't think the Giants would either as they're not a QB away. Would the Giants trade an early 2nd? That I think is realistically possible. Jags, still won't have the cap space as I understand it. The Broncos would probably be the most realistic fit since John Elway can't scout college QB's worth a shit. They could have the cap space to pull it off if they chose. In the end, the solution SHOULD be to keep Wentz. He played at an MVP level before he got hurt last season. This season I think was a bit of a wash. He was coming back from the injury and it takes time to get comfortable and trust your leg. Then he got hurt again. He's also younger and more affordable than Foles (for 1 more year). Sure, Foles will forever be a hero to the Philly fans. I just think the logical solution would be to Tag Foles and try and trade him hoping that he signs that tag. You could MAYBE get 2 first round picks for Wentz but with him now getting hurt back to back seasons, I'm not so sure you get that either. You'll be getting Wentz for nearly $8.5 million in 2019 and a 5th year option of nearly $30 million in 2020. (Link: theeagleswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/29/what-aaron-rodgers-massive-contract-extension-means-for-carson-wentz/)"Wentz is under contract through 2019, and the Eagles hold a fifth-year option that would pay him close to $30 million, which will be the average of the top 10 highest-paid QBs in the league. If the Eagles choose to franchise-tag him in 2021, he’d make the average of the top five players at his position." So the person trading for him won't be getting that build around a cheap QB for anything more than 1 season before he starts getting paid the big bucks. However given what Kahlil Mack got, 2 first round picks is possible if teams are willing to look past the recent medicals. So yeah, in the end since the $20 Million option next season seems to likely be bought out by Foles I think unless the Eagles are going to sign him long term and commit to him over Wentz then they have to either let him walk and get a Comp pick or Tag him and trade him. They COULD tag him and keep him but I personally would only do that if they're not going to be getting enough back in return for a trade and they're okay with letting him walk after 2019. However if Foles were going to be tagged and coming into the 2019 season as the backup to Wentz, I think that would be doing him dirty as a now 2 time Super Bowl winning QB for that Franchise.
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Post by movielover on Jan 11, 2019 3:55:48 GMT
Foles will be losing next week, and then this speculation and debate will die down.
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Post by Marv on Jan 11, 2019 15:28:27 GMT
If Foles comes in and delivers another...I don’t know how you get rid of him. Unless you’re being very stingy and saying you’ve maxed out his potential so how could it possibly get any better. Even then tho...how do you keep an injury prone Wentz? What’s your plan for December next year when Wentz goes out and you’ve dealt Foles?
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 11, 2019 15:53:01 GMT
Hmm, 2 different questions. Subject line does not specify "if they win another Super Bowl," poll does, but that may be missed.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Jan 11, 2019 16:24:01 GMT
Well well well.....some of you are finally coming around to what Ive said all along...
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Post by stickman38 on Jan 11, 2019 19:18:54 GMT
Wentz is the far better QB. It's mind boggling that any one can claim Foles is the better choice.
For whatever it's worth, their stats are quite similar. No major difference between the two on paper.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jan 11, 2019 19:23:27 GMT
Glue him to the floor by his nuts, set the room on fire, toss him a dull blade, tell him to choose his fate.
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Post by stickman38 on Jan 11, 2019 19:29:16 GMT
If Foles comes in and delivers another...I don’t know how you get rid of him. Unless you’re being very stingy and saying you’ve maxed out his potential so how could it possibly get any better. Even then tho...how do you keep an injury prone Wentz? What’s your plan for December next year when Wentz goes out and you’ve dealt Foles?
The whole thing reminds me of when the Ravens won the SB in 2000 and then immediately got rid of Trent Dilfer. They knew he wasn't a good QB but Foles is actually a very good QB. I say they keep both, Wentz and Foles.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 11, 2019 20:23:38 GMT
If Foles comes in and delivers another...I don’t know how you get rid of him. Unless you’re being very stingy and saying you’ve maxed out his potential so how could it possibly get any better. Even then tho...how do you keep an injury prone Wentz? What’s your plan for December next year when Wentz goes out and you’ve dealt Foles?
The whole thing reminds me of when the Ravens won the SB in 2000 and then immediately got rid of Trent Dilfer. They knew he wasn't a good QB but Foles is actually a very good QB. I say they keep both, Wentz and Foles.
Keeping Foles is gonna cost them 20 million dollars. Worth it for a backup? Worth it for him to maybe not play all year?
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Post by stickman38 on Jan 11, 2019 20:25:32 GMT
The whole thing reminds me of when the Ravens won the SB in 2000 and then immediately got rid of Trent Dilfer. They knew he wasn't a good QB but Foles is actually a very good QB. I say they keep both, Wentz and Foles.
Keeping Foles is gonna cost them 20 million dollars. Worth it for a backup? Worth it for him to maybe not play all year?
who would be the backup if one of them leaves?
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 11, 2019 22:01:31 GMT
Keeping Foles is gonna cost them 20 million dollars. Worth it for a backup? Worth it for him to maybe not play all year?
who would be the backup if one of them leaves?
I don't know. Someone who isn't making more than most of the starting QBs in the league, probably.
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Post by stickman38 on Jan 11, 2019 23:33:21 GMT
who would be the backup if one of them leaves?
I don't know. Someone who isn't making more than most of the starting QBs in the league, probably.
According to their depth chart, the back up would be Nate Sudfeld. So, yeah, they might want to hang on the both QBs.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 11, 2019 23:41:49 GMT
I don't know. Someone who isn't making more than most of the starting QBs in the league, probably.
According to their depth chart, the back up would be Nate Sudfeld. So, yeah, they might want to hang on the both QBs.
Or sign a competent backup that doesn't cost eat up as much of your salary cap at one position. Keeping both players really makes no sense for either party.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 11, 2019 23:58:10 GMT
I don't know. Someone who isn't making more than most of the starting QBs in the league, probably.
According to their depth chart, the back up would be Nate Sudfeld. So, yeah, they might want to hang on the both QBs.
They like Sudfeld. He hasn’t really played hardly at all so who knows what you’ve got in him, so I’ll take them at their word. The third stringer won’t be Dan Marino anyway. Contractually there’s no way they can keep both. Foles is due 1 year $20 million or he has a $2 million buyout on his end. Wentz is due big money. Sentimentally I’d love them to keep Foles but it wouldn’t be fair to him and Wentz is too good to get rid of.
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