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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Apr 5, 2017 11:00:15 GMT
I don't come here often, so I am asking in good faith. There seems to be some of the same abysmal posters, the same regular posters and either some new ones or differently names ones. What is your view? Should I come here more often for the next three weeks before I go overseas for two months? No. No to the board being a success? Is that because you're being held accountable for what you say and do here unlike on the old board? Your whining on the Area51 board under your Caroline account certainly suggests you've learned nothing.
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Post by chasallnut on Apr 5, 2017 15:33:02 GMT
No to the board being a success? Is that because you're being held accountable for what you say and do here unlike on the old board? Your whining on the Area51 board under your Caroline account certainly suggests you've learned nothing. Exactly! Again it was everyone else's fault that she had been banned, nothing to do with her behaviour. In Ada fashion, she shrugs off self responsibility and blames all and sundry.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Apr 5, 2017 15:47:44 GMT
I think so on balance. The human moderation is a significant improvement on the previous regime and the general level of troll-ness is lower. This ^ Having people enforce adulthood is a plus.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 16:10:05 GMT
Depends on how you define success.
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Post by general313 on Apr 5, 2017 16:13:43 GMT
Depends on how you define success. Why not use your preferred definition and answer the OP question?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 16:19:11 GMT
Depends on how you define success. Why not use your preferred definition and answer the OP question? There are people here who are posting things about RFS. So in that sense, it's a success. But if you're looking to engage anyone in an intelligent discussion about faith/philosophy that won't break down after a few posts by angry people on either side of the argument, then this isn't really a good place for that.
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Post by general313 on Apr 5, 2017 16:37:23 GMT
Why not use your preferred definition and answer the OP question? There are people here who are posting things about RFS. So in that sense, it's a success. But if you're looking to engage anyone in an intelligent discussion about faith/philosophy that won't break down after a few posts by angry people on either side of the argument, then this isn't really a good place for that. Thank you, that's a fair opinion. I agree it is a mixed bag, but that's kind of what I like about it, it's sort of like the world in general. I wonder if the early Christian Church councils (ecumenical councils) were as civil as we might well imagine them to be. I suppose the Spanish Inquisition proceedings always managed to uphold decorum.
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Post by goz on Apr 5, 2017 20:56:53 GMT
Why not use your preferred definition and answer the OP question? There are people here who are posting things about RFS. So in that sense, it's a success. But if you're looking to engage anyone in an intelligent discussion about faith/philosophy that won't break down after a few posts by angry people on either side of the argument, then this isn't really a good place for that. from what I have read of your comments so far on this board, I suspect that you are one of the people who think that to means to only post arguments that are pro- faith and religion, and philosophy that backs that stance, that you are doomed to disappointment. There were many on the last Board that held the view that atheists had no place on a Religion/Faith and Spirituality discussion board, and they were universally laughed down! If I have misjudged you on your own words, I apologise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 21:17:56 GMT
There are people here who are posting things about RFS. So in that sense, it's a success. But if you're looking to engage anyone in an intelligent discussion about faith/philosophy that won't break down after a few posts by angry people on either side of the argument, then this isn't really a good place for that. from what I have read of your comments so far on this board, I suspect that you are one of the people who think that to means to only post arguments that are pro- faith and religion, and philosophy that backs that stance, that you are doomed to disappointment. There were many on the last Board that held the view that atheists had no place on a Religion/Faith and Spirituality discussion board, and they were universally laughed down! If I have misjudged you on your own words, I apologise. Huh? No one is saying atheists can't post here. But this type of board is not conducive to reasonable discussions. Both the atheists and the theists here can be pretty militant and hostile to beliefs they don't agree with. Most discussions get derailed almost immediately with straw-men arguments.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Apr 5, 2017 22:32:36 GMT
There are people here who are posting things about RFS. So in that sense, it's a success. But if you're looking to engage anyone in an intelligent discussion about faith/philosophy that won't break down after a few posts by angry people on either side of the argument, then this isn't really a good place for that. Thank you, that's a fair opinion. I agree it is a mixed bag, but that's kind of what I like about it, it's sort of like the world in general. I wonder if the early Christian Church councils (ecumenical councils) were as civil as we might well imagine them to be. I suppose the Spanish Inquisition proceedings always managed to uphold decorum.Oh, definitely, as I witnessed in countless paintings of human flayed alive, shot with arrows while tied to a post, burned alive for being heretics... yeah, always civil ;-)
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Post by goz on Apr 6, 2017 1:44:03 GMT
, would be a better more even handed forum from what I have read of your comments so far on this board, I suspect that you are one of the people who think that to means to only post arguments that are pro- faith and religion, and philosophy that backs that stance, that you are doomed to disappointment. There were many on the last Board that held the view that atheists had no place on a Religion/Faith and Spirituality discussion board, and they were universally laughed down! If I have misjudged you on your own words, I apologise. Huh? No one is saying atheists can't post here. But this type of board is not conducive to reasonable discussions. Both the atheists and the theists here can be pretty militant and hostile to beliefs they don't agree with. Most discussions get derailed almost immediately with straw-men arguments. Then where, do you think , would be a better, more even handed forum, if this Board is not conducive to reasonable discussions? It seems to me that the theists, who are those proposing arguments of faith, existence of God, and pious 'morality' as preached in the Bible. have the onus of producing evidence for those claims. Atheists have nothing to prove by purely being a negative position. That is where the conflict lies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 3:21:08 GMT
, would be a better more even handed forum Huh? No one is saying atheists can't post here. But this type of board is not conducive to reasonable discussions. Both the atheists and the theists here can be pretty militant and hostile to beliefs they don't agree with. Most discussions get derailed almost immediately with straw-men arguments. Then where, do you think , would be a better, more even handed forum, if this Board is not conducive to reasonable discussions? It seems to me that the theists, who are those proposing arguments of faith, existence of God, and pious 'morality' as preached in the Bible. have the onus of producing evidence for those claims. Atheists have nothing to prove by purely being a negative position. That is where the conflict lies. There is no good online forum that I've found. And neither theists nor atheists should feel compelled to defend their positions here. Sometimes people just want to discuss certain theological topics. Not everything needs to be an argument between theists and atheists. And no one can "prove" whether God exists or not, but that's usually the standard that the atheists here hold to. I'm not really interested in trying to prove things that are not possible to empirically prove. At best, people can give reasons why THEY SPECIFICALLY either believe or don't believe in whatever. But that's not a conversation that most atheists here are interested in having. They want scientific evidence for something that honestly has nothing to do with science. Theists and atheists are often on two totally different pages, so they end up talking past each other since they can't even agree on the terms that they're arguing about.
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Post by goz on Apr 8, 2017 11:22:11 GMT
, would be a better more even handed forumThen where, do you think , would be a better, more even handed forum, if this Board is not conducive to reasonable discussions? It seems to me that the theists, who are those proposing arguments of faith, existence of God, and pious 'morality' as preached in the Bible. have the onus of producing evidence for those claims. Atheists have nothing to prove by purely being a negative position. That is where the conflict lies. There is no good online forum that I've found. And neither theists nor atheists should feel compelled to defend their positions here. Sometimes people just want to discuss certain theological topics. Not everything needs to be an argument between theists and atheists. And no one can "prove" whether God exists or not, but that's usually the standard that the atheists here hold to. I'm not really interested in trying to prove things that are not possible to empirically prove. At best, people can give reasons why THEY SPECIFICALLY either believe or don't believe in whatever. But that's not a conversation that most atheists here are interested in having. They want scientific evidence for something that honestly has nothing to do with science. Theists and atheists are often on two totally different pages, so they end up talking past each other since they can't even agree on the terms that they're arguing about. I agree with you, and you just proved the point nicely by saying The whole point is that atheists believe that theological topics are all nonsense, so there is no point in discussing this. It is also false that atheists are fixated on science and empiricism, as philosophically religion is an untenable concept. As an agnostic atheist with an interest in Buddhist philosophy, I would often prefer more discussion of concepts and ideas, modern morality, psychology, philosophy and cutting edge science (especially neuroscience and DNA and evolutionary biology) which is a darn sight more interesting than Bible bashing and examination of outdated matters, therein.
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