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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 22, 2019 17:10:36 GMT
How so? Kid's dad died in the war and he wants to honor him by naming his son after him. Unless Steve Trevor has some really dominant genes, him having an identical grandson is a pretty difficult pill to swallow. It would also be pretty weird for Diana to have a romance with the grandson of her dead boyfriend. Was he her boyfriend of some guy she had a hundred year crush on? Also, identical descendants is a thing that happens in movies. Hell, didn't this very thing happen in the Wonder Woman tv series (father and son)?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 22, 2019 17:46:45 GMT
Unless Steve Trevor has some really dominant genes, him having an identical grandson is a pretty difficult pill to swallow. It would also be pretty weird for Diana to have a romance with the grandson of her dead boyfriend. Was he her boyfriend of some guy she had a hundred year crush on? Also, identical descendants is a thing that happens in movies. Hell, didn't this very thing happen in the Wonder Woman tv series (father and son)? I’m not sure I understand your first question. As for the second one, the Wonder Woman television series is known for being extremely silly and dated. A movie in 2020 probably shouldn’t be taking a page out of a cheap show from the 1970s. Besides, an identical grandson is even more silly than an identical son. Again, exactly how dominant would Steve Trevor’s genes have to be for that to work?
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Post by Nalkarj on Jan 22, 2019 17:49:45 GMT
Was he her boyfriend of some guy she had a hundred year crush on? Also, identical descendants is a thing that happens in movies. Hell, didn't this very thing happen in the Wonder Woman tv series (father and son)? I’m not sure I understand your first question. As for the second one, the Wonder Woman television series is known for being extremely silly and dated. A movie in 2020 probably shouldn’t be taking a page out of a cheap show from the 1970s. Besides, an identical grandson is even more silly than an identical son. Again, exactly how dominant would Steve Trevor’s genes have to be for that to work? BLASPHEMY!
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Post by Nalkarj on Jan 22, 2019 17:50:48 GMT
I also want to comment on the perfectly apposite humor of an argument between this guy and that guy.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 22, 2019 18:19:19 GMT
I also want to comment on the perfectly apposite humor of an argument between this guy and that guy. Yeah, I've joked about that before. lol
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 22, 2019 18:32:06 GMT
Was he her boyfriend of some guy she had a hundred year crush on? Also, identical descendants is a thing that happens in movies. Hell, didn't this very thing happen in the Wonder Woman tv series (father and son)? I’m not sure I understand your first question. As for the second one, the Wonder Woman television series is known for being extremely silly and dated. A movie in 2020 probably shouldn’t be taking a page out of a cheap show from the 1970s. Besides, an identical grandson is even more silly than an identical son. Again, exactly how dominant would Steve Trevor’s genes have to be for that to work? Dude, we are talking about a movie about an Amazon from an imaginary island that fought in WW1 with magical powers and looks exactly the same in 1984 trying to protect her crush that died during that war and came back to life. And you are trying to say that the dude having a son and/or grandson that looks like him is silly? Have you ever seen pics of people side by side with a parent/grandparent at that same age and they look exactly the same?
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Post by leesilm on Jan 22, 2019 18:45:11 GMT
Well some people complained that it was weird when Captain America became romantic with a relative of Peggy Carter. Wouldn't it be weird for Wonder Woman to hook up with the grandson of a guy she hooked up with? *raises hand* I am one of those people who thinks it is weird from both ends- for Steve because this girl is the niece/great-niece of his former love so that's just hinky and doesn't work. For her, she grew up hearing stories about him, so are these her real feelings or as these an echo of aunt-Peggy's, or are they a hero-worship akin to Agent Coulson's? No matter how you slice it, WEIRD. As for Steve/Diana, I feel like having him be Steve's grandson means that somewhere Steve had a kid he left behind and never mentioned, which kind of makes him seem like a jerk. I get that soldiers leave their children behind in the safety of home- but all that time he spends with Diana, when he gets lassoed, etc., yet never mentions he has a kid, doesn't have a photo of the kid that he looks at when he's about to die in the plane, or anything that so much as hints at his having a child makes him seem like a bit of a jerk who didn't care about his kid. Now technically, we could go with him having a sibling (let's say a sister, for argument's sake), and that sibling had a kid that Steve had met or heard about but hadn't spent much time around due to his being away from the war and the age-difference between he and the sibling. So say a younger sister who got married shortly before Steve shipped out, so she had her first kid while he was gone, so maybe Steve had a photo or letters describing the kid but hadn't met the child. That child would be 1916ish for their birth date, so they might be having a child of their own somewhere between 1936-1951 (I'm going to pick dates to make math easier), so if Steve's great-nephew is born in 1936, then they could be having a kid in 1956-1971ish, which would mean in 1984 that kid would be 13-28yrs old? So a little young to be Chris Pine (no offense, dude). I guess if Steve had an older sister, who had a son who was like 7-12yrs old when the war started, that would mean that they were having kids in the 40s-50s, so that kid could be more like late 20s to mid 30s in 1984? However, you still get into the, "Does she love 1984-Dude, or does she love Steve?", as well as the whole, "Did he just grow up hearing stories about his great-uncle Steve and Steve's team he worked with, so when he meets one of them, he has serious hero worship going on". And yes, she could use the lasso to get around either of those, but still. Not to mention, it removes that history Steve has with her- making the history one-sided. I think, if you are going to bring Chris Pine back, you almost have to make him be Steve Trevor. Even if, when first brought back, he's an amnesiac who doesn't remember his entire life from before, and he is piecing it together with Diana's help and he has flashes of things he remembers (flying in the old planes without all the current instruments, the smell of his grandma's fresh baked apple pie, laughing around a campfire with Chief & the others, seeing Diana smiling in the snow, a ball of fire erupting around him, his dad's pocket watch he had turned into the wrist watch, etc.) and so you still get this weight of Diana knowing everything and all her guilt/fear/longing/protectiveness/care/hope but also you get his desperate search to understand why he can't remember, why he's so important to her, why there's a guy in a WWI museum photo who looks exactly like him, etc. It also works because, in the comics, Steve's life/soul are dangled in front of Diana to try to make her do what the bad guy wants her to do (he's her Lois Lane) and he's often infected with something, possessed, etc. to be used against Diana. So it is continuing the tradition from the comics, to put Steve in peril in order to motivate or be a hurdle for Diana. {If I recall correctly, there is a recent comic where Diana has to carry Bruce & Clark away to safety, and the villain uses something like a hallucination of Steve to try to waylay her a while, and she tearfully tells the image of Steve that she can't stay, that she has to save her friends because the world needs the three of them, and she turns her back to leave. The image of Steve calls out for her, but she moves forward, knowing she can only say Goodbye to Steve so many times before she would lose to the willpower to do so.} As such they could go with the idea that the guy cursed Cheetah/Minerva and released Steve in the same, accidental, fell swoop. And that restoring/defeating Cheetah means Steve goes poof. Or, he intentionally releases Steve and maybe even uses Steve cause he has access to Steve's thoughts/whathaveyou, as an unwitting spy so he can keep track of Diana. Or possibly, there is some complicated thing about this MacGuffin that will allegedly make him as powerful as a god [I'm still betting he is/was a god in the first place], that requires Diana to do something so he's gotta figure out how to trick her into it, PLUS it has to have a resurrected dead person do something he has to trick Steve into doing, PLUS some third ingredient -- but since he isn't able to trick Diana & Steve, or because Diana defeats him and that winks out both the MacGuffin and the guy's mojo he used on Cheetah/Steve/Diana/anyone else, that Steve begins dying all over again, so Diana has to lose him again because she did the right thing instead of the easy thing. PS: Bonus on the Tearjerker Scale- if they use Steve only to somehow off him again, they can work in some comment during the movie (from him shortly before dying, from Diana afterwards in the voiceover, whatever) about how Steve got his wish, he and Diana got more time. All the WonderTrev shippers will be dying of dehydration from all the tears, if they pull that.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 22, 2019 19:01:21 GMT
doesn't have a photo of the kid that he looks at when he's about to die in the plane He was a spy undercover in enemy territory. Most spies don't carry around photos of their family because that can blow their cover and also because they don't want the enemy to know they have a family.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 22, 2019 19:42:00 GMT
I’m not sure I understand your first question. As for the second one, the Wonder Woman television series is known for being extremely silly and dated. A movie in 2020 probably shouldn’t be taking a page out of a cheap show from the 1970s. Besides, an identical grandson is even more silly than an identical son. Again, exactly how dominant would Steve Trevor’s genes have to be for that to work? Dude, we are talking about a movie about an Amazon from an imaginary island that fought in WW1 with magical powers and looks exactly the same in 1984 trying to protect her crush that died during that war and came back to life. And you are trying to say that the dude having a son and/or grandson that looks like him is silly? Have you ever seen pics of people side by side with a parent/grandparent at that same age and they look exactly the same? The idea that Diana would encounter someone who not only looks identical to Steve Trevor, but also happens to have the exact same name as him, would be an extremely contrived coincidence, on top of having some weird implications if he’s supposed to be the love interest. Besides, didn’t the first movie make it clear that Steve Trevor was never married? Wasn’t having children without getting married something that was frowned upon back in the 1910s?
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 22, 2019 20:12:37 GMT
Dude, we are talking about a movie about an Amazon from an imaginary island that fought in WW1 with magical powers and looks exactly the same in 1984 trying to protect her crush that died during that war and came back to life. And you are trying to say that the dude having a son and/or grandson that looks like him is silly? Have you ever seen pics of people side by side with a parent/grandparent at that same age and they look exactly the same? The idea that Diana would encounter someone who not only looks identical to Steve Trevor, but also happens to have the exact same name as him, would be an extremely contrived coincidence So you don't think people name their sons after themselves or their fathers? Ever heard of John Adams and John Quincy Adams or George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush? didn’t the first movie make it clear that Steve Trevor was never married? So you don't think it's biologically possible for unmarried people to have children?
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 22, 2019 20:17:06 GMT
How so? Kid's dad died in the war and he wants to honor him by naming his son after him. Unless Steve Trevor has some really dominant genes, him having an identical grandson is a pretty difficult pill to swallow. My brother looks exactly like my grandfather did.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 22, 2019 20:18:51 GMT
The idea that Diana would encounter someone who not only looks identical to Steve Trevor, but also happens to have the exact same name as him, would be an extremely contrived coincidence So you don't think people name their sons after themselves or their fathers? Ever heard of John Adams and John Quincy Adams or George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush? didn’t the first movie make it clear that Steve Trevor was never married? So you don't think it's biologically possible for unmarried people to have children? No. I’m saying that as far as I know, a person having children without being married was heavily looked down upon back in the 1910s.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 22, 2019 20:43:17 GMT
So you don't think people name their sons after themselves or their fathers? Ever heard of John Adams and John Quincy Adams or George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush? So you don't think it's biologically possible for unmarried people to have children? No. I’m saying that as far as I know, a person having children without being married was heavily looked down upon back in the 1910s. The wife could have been dead.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 22, 2019 20:51:00 GMT
No. I’m saying that as far as I know, a person having children without being married was heavily looked down upon back in the 1910s. The wife could have been dead. His conversation with Diana during the “swaying” scene had him mentioning that he has no idea what being married is like.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 22, 2019 22:40:19 GMT
The wife could have been dead. His conversation with Diana during the “swaying” scene had him mentioning that he has no idea what being married is like. Maybe because he was away so long. He is a spy, after all. Also, I did say she could have been dead.
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Post by leesilm on Jan 23, 2019 1:28:11 GMT
Unless Steve Trevor has some really dominant genes, him having an identical grandson is a pretty difficult pill to swallow. My brother looks exactly like my grandfather did. I look like a female version of my paternal grandfather, except for my lip-shape. Honest to goodness, there have been people who saw pictures of my grandpa and thought he was like 50 when I was born and had been my father rather than my grandpa. My brothers don't look much like him at all, and none of us look like our dad. My cousin (other side of the family) Ryan looks exactly like our great-uncle Patrick. You can put a picture of Patrick, age 22, in his full military uniform next to a picture of Ryan at 22 in his, and it looks like the same dude switched branches of the military and got his new photo taken in color. It does happen. There is also the phenomenon where there are 6 other people in the world, at any given time, who look almost identical to you. Maury Povitch used to have shows where he'd get people to come on who'd met one of their 6 doppelgangers! And then you see stuff like that picture that was floating around with the guy sitting for a photo in 1867 and they put it side by side with Nic Cage- and they looked like they could have been brothers. The human brain is even wired to spot similarities and familiarity, so you figure that your brain basically magnifies any and all similarities between two people when there is something familiar about them. I still prefer resurrected Steve over Look-alike-relative, Stranger-who-looks-like-Steve's-twin, or Reincarnated-Steve theories.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 23, 2019 1:33:52 GMT
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