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Post by hi224 on Apr 1, 2017 6:29:06 GMT
I've heard basically Preminger, Ford, and Bunuel could all be assholes recently.
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Post by OldAussie on Apr 1, 2017 6:48:54 GMT
Yes, Otto Preminger definitely. So many stories about his bad behaviour.
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Post by Richard Kimble on Apr 1, 2017 7:44:32 GMT
Yes, Otto Preminger definitely. So many stories about his bad behaviour. My favorite: Tom Tryon celebrated his birthday during shooting of The Cardinal by inviting his parents to the set for a party. Preminger was there too, and gave Tryon a personalized birthday present: he fired Tryon, then and there, in front of his parents. Preminger did eventually hire Tryon back. The old softie.
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Post by telegonus on Apr 1, 2017 9:12:08 GMT
Richard Widmark remarked in an interview that Henry Hathaway was tough to work with and an outright sadist (yet these two worked together on several occasions).
Fritz Lang was tough to work with, for some, not all. Henry Fonda couldn't stand him. Warners workhorse Michael Curtiz was known to be difficult and, in the eyes of some, downright insane. Errol Flynn refused to work with Curtiz after several successful films they worked on together. Charles McGraw,--yes, that Charles McGraw, was driven to tears on the set of a movie they were working on.
Erich Von Stroheim was regarded as not so much horrible in a personal sense, just a stickler for detail, who took an incredible length of time to get just one scene right.
Yet another director with a tough to work with reputation, though not so famous as the others, Mia's father, John Farrow. A competent craftsman and sometimes more, he never seemed to get quite the right project to put him over as a top rank director.
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Post by mattgarth on Apr 1, 2017 11:16:51 GMT
Glenn Ford turned down the title role in HONDO because of his previous unhappy experience working with director John Farrow on PLUNDER OF THE SUN. ProducerJohn Wayne had to step in to assume the part at the last minute.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 1, 2017 12:39:36 GMT
I read the Harry Carey, Jr. autobiography . He loved John Ford despite everything that sadistic man did to him and to almost every actor who worked with him. I rather regret reading about Ford as I love his films BUT he was really an awful human being on set and off. Carey is not the only source of the tales of bad behavior.
He had a "stable " of actors who would and could work with them but there were many who were "one time only" because they would not put up with his arbitrary cruelty.
His films are so totally un-like their director's nature and behavior that one has to wonder just what was going on. It was not just the alcohol.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 1, 2017 12:40:23 GMT
I read a biography by Harry Carey, Jr. He loved John Ford despite everything that sadistic man did to him and to almost every actor who worked with him. I rather regret reading about Ford as I love his films BUT he was really an awful human being on set and off. Carey is not the only source of the tales of bad behavior. He had a "stable " of actors who would and could work with them but there were many who were "one time only" because they would not put up with his arbitrary cruelty. His films are so totally un-like their director's nature and behavior that one has to wonder just what was going on. tyranny
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 1, 2017 12:45:35 GMT
Glenn Ford turned down the title role in HONDO because of his previous unhappy experience working with director John Farrow on PLUNDER OF THE SUN. ProducerJohn Wayne had to step in to assume the part at the last minute. Which worked out well. Hondo is one of my favorite Wayne Westerns. Glenn would have "worked" in Hondo and it would have been good, but "different".
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Post by hi224 on Apr 1, 2017 13:21:58 GMT
Yeah but Carey was crazy lol.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 1, 2017 13:31:45 GMT
Yeah but Carey was crazy lol. HARRY Carey, Junior. Not Timothy Carey.
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Post by hi224 on Apr 1, 2017 13:43:55 GMT
Whoops my bad.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 1, 2017 13:51:21 GMT
politicidal It was more than "tyranny" with Ford though. The stories of what he did to people have been told often and by many who knew him. It was way more than mere "bullying" and "being the boss" and yet somehow he managed those wonderful, often light-hearted, films. The Quiet Man is one of my favorite films ever but having read what he put Maureen O'Hara through, I found it difficult to enjoy it this year in the way I used to.
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Post by wanton87 on Apr 1, 2017 15:08:48 GMT
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Post by telegonus on Apr 1, 2017 18:19:45 GMT
Glenn Ford turned down the title role in HONDO because of his previous unhappy experience working with director John Farrow on PLUNDER OF THE SUN. ProducerJohn Wayne had to step in to assume the part at the last minute. Which worked out well. Hondo is one of my favorite Wayne Westerns. Glenn would have "worked" in Hondo and it would have been good, but "different". I find it difficult to imagine Glenn Ford as Hondo. John Wayne's iconic stature puts the movie in a certain light. I wonder about Ford in the same role. Wayne's alpha qualities are what I remember, while Ford was by comparison more of a modern type, and a bit of a worrier, but maybe.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 1, 2017 18:34:16 GMT
telegonus "I find it difficult to imagine Glenn Ford as Hondo. John Wayne's iconic stature puts the movie in a certain light. I wonder about Ford in the same role. Wayne's alpha qualities are what I remember, while Ford was by comparison more of a modern type, and a bit of a worrier, but maybe." It would have had to be a totally different Hondo with Ford. I knew him first as the rather wry, often gentle and humorous incarnation of the 60's and only later saw his darker noir-era side. Fitting The Sheepman Ford or even the more sinister 3:10 to Yuma Ford into the Hondo role so perfectly Wayne's is nigh unto impossible. BUT if there had never been a "Wayne Hondo" perhaps it would have seemed a perfect fit for Ford? Something we'll never know.
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Post by fangirl1975 on Apr 1, 2017 19:17:17 GMT
I've read accounts of Hitchcock having disdain for actors to the point of putting them through a psychological and occasionally physical endurance test on his films.
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Post by teleadm on Apr 1, 2017 20:59:28 GMT
Otto Preminger during In Harms Way could get out a touching performace in the John Wayne Patricia Neal scenes, at the same time could be tyrannical in the Tom Tryon scenes.
During the making of Bunny Lake is Missing 1965, though he and older actors could act frealy, Laurence Olivier, noted that he screamed a lot at the younger actors, and that it was not a friendly environment to work in
There are stories around why Otto made a rare TV role on Batman as the Ice Man, his grandchildren liked it and he called the producers up, During the making of the two-parter, nearly all actors were afraid of him, even detested him, since nearly all actors on Batman had had a an encounter with Otto at some tryouts.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 1, 2017 21:20:11 GMT
Kubrick : The Shining : Shelley Duvall especially. Multiple multiple takes because they were "not quite right". According to Shelley Duvall the infamous 'Here's Johnny!' scene took 3 days to film and the use of 60 doors. There were so many changes to the script during shooting that Jack Nicholson claimed he stopped reading it. He would read only the new pages that were given to him each day. Stanley Kubrick, known for his compulsiveness and numerous retakes, got the difficult shot of blood pouring from the elevators in only three takes. This would be remarkable if it weren't for the fact that the shot took nine days to set up; every time the doors opened and the blood poured out, Kubrick would say, "It doesn't look like blood." In the end, the shot took approximately a year to get right. Despite Stanley Kubrick's fierce demands on everyone, Jack Nicholson admitted to having a good working relationship with him. It was with Shelley Duvall that he was a completely different director. He allegedly picked on her more than anyone else, as seen in the documentaries Making 'The Shining' (1980) and Stanley Kubrick: A Life in Pictures (2001). He would really lose his temper with her, even going so far as to say that she was wasting the time of everyone on the set. She later reflected that he was probably pushing her to her limits to get the best out of her, and that she wouldn't trade the experience for anything - but it was not something she ever wished to repeat. On the DVD commentary track for Making 'The Shining' (1980), Vivian Kubrick reveals that Shelley Duvall received "no sympathy at all" from anyone on the set. This was apparently Stanley Kubrick's tactic in making her feel utterly hopeless. This is most evident in the documentary when he tells Vivian, "Don't sympathize with Shelley." Kubrick then goes on to tell Duvall, "It doesn't help you.". other shining trivia
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Post by manfromplanetx on Apr 1, 2017 22:05:08 GMT
The great French Director Maurice Pialat was renowned for his pugnacious temperament coupled with an uncompromising and provocative nature, he put his cast and crew through trying challenges. Pialat would change scenes halfway through without warning, ordering take after take until something clicked, without being able to satisfactorily explain to all what it was he needed. Appearing in his own films Pialat would do on the spot improvisations while filming throwing everyone into confusion, but the fascinating end result is reflected in his own creative, unique cinematic style.
On the set of LouLou (1980) Isabelle Huppert was repeatedly told she was hopeless, Gérard Depardieu was challenged by the director to do numerous retakes, as Pialat angrily refused to accept that he was giving all he could. One story has it that Huppert, stormed off the set and walked twelve hours through the night back to her home, and it took a great deal of persuasion for her to return to the production.
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Post by mattgarth on Apr 1, 2017 22:40:38 GMT
Yep, Duke was a perfect HONDO. By the same token, Ford was a better 'Dadier' in BLACKBOARD JUNGLE then Wayne ever would have been (the Duke would have belted those rebellious kids up the side of the head).
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