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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 18:14:58 GMT
And they're reportedly the only other real threat to sign him other than the Phils? 
WTF Phils - just double the money and add on 3 years and end this insanity......
Still can go after Keuchel, Kimbrel and even Harper.....
7 years and $175 mil?
7 years and $175 mil for Machado?
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jan 16, 2019 18:15:27 GMT
Machado isn’t worth it.
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Post by Xcalatë on Jan 16, 2019 18:19:32 GMT
surprising no other teams like the Yankees or Phillies are all the way in with that kind of money.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jan 16, 2019 18:22:05 GMT
surprising no other teams like the Yankees or Phillies are all the way in with that kind of money. He doesn’t hustle. Not worth it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 18:28:33 GMT
surprising no other teams like the Yankees or Phillies are all the way in with that kind of money. Dodgers too. 7 years and $175 mil to return? After what they gave up? And they have unlimited pockets? Baffling # to me - is there something behind the scenes going on? Injury? Other issues - see Dwight Howard with skeletons - not necessarily in that realm - but 7 years and $175 mil for Machado just seems off the wall to me when - like Harper - some were predicting $400 mil from the likes of the Yanks.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jan 16, 2019 18:37:38 GMT
Would rather have JP Crawford on my team.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 16, 2019 20:39:37 GMT
surprising no other teams like the Yankees or Phillies are all the way in with that kind of money. Yankees are out after signing DJ LeMahieu and Tulo. And they were never in on Harper. Have to admit, I'm impressed (and scared) of the new fiscally responsible Yankees. They spent wisely, filled needs and didn't go berserk on big ticket items. They did this in the 90's and won a shitload of rings. Which one said that they didn't like Philadelphia? Must have been Machado. I'd be concerned about Machado. He doesn't like to play hard now. What will he do when he gets his last big payday. He will be 34 after seven years, still enough to get more cash but not this kind of money. Would not surprise me to see his average drop to the Mendoza Line in two years.
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Post by Xcalatë on Jan 16, 2019 21:03:00 GMT
surprising no other teams like the Yankees or Phillies are all the way in with that kind of money. Yankees are out after signing DJ LeMahieu and Tulo. And they were never in on Harper. Have to admit, I'm impressed (and scared) of the new fiscally responsible Yankees. They spent wisely, filled needs and didn't go berserk on big ticket items. They did this in the 90's and won a shitload of rings. Which one said that they didn't like Philadelphia? Must have been Machado. I'd be concerned about Machado. He doesn't like to play hard now. What will he do when he gets his last big payday. He will be 34 after seven years, still enough to get more cash but not this kind of money. Would not surprise me to see his average drop to the Mendoza Line in two years. Agreed I'm a Mets fan and hate the Yankees but their new approach of building from within without spending ridiculous amounts of money could build them a new dynasty like in the late 90's specially with the young core they have (Judge, Sanchez, Andujar) all they really need is a good Ace and they are ready to go.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 21:07:47 GMT
If that is the going rate, I don’t any reason that the Phillies wouldn’t sign both him and Harper instead of either or.
At that price there should be a dozens teams involved in the bidding.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 16, 2019 21:17:14 GMT
Yankees are out after signing DJ LeMahieu and Tulo. And they were never in on Harper. Have to admit, I'm impressed (and scared) of the new fiscally responsible Yankees. They spent wisely, filled needs and didn't go berserk on big ticket items. They did this in the 90's and won a shitload of rings. Which one said that they didn't like Philadelphia? Must have been Machado. I'd be concerned about Machado. He doesn't like to play hard now. What will he do when he gets his last big payday. He will be 34 after seven years, still enough to get more cash but not this kind of money. Would not surprise me to see his average drop to the Mendoza Line in two years. Agreed I'm a Mets fan and hate the Yankees but their new approach of building from within without spending ridiculous amounts of money could build them a new dynasty like in the late 90's specially with the young core they have (Judge, Sanchez, Andujar) all they really need is a good Ace and they are ready to go. The Yanks of the early 2000's would have thrown bushels of cash at Harper, regardless of need. Especially in a year where the Red Sox aren't making many headlines. You could call Judge, Sanchez. Andujar and Torres the "New Core Four". And very wise acquisitions, Didi Gregorius, Aaron Hicks and a couple big contracts, Stanton, Chapman. They stayed away from Ohtani last year and the Terrible Two this year. Still with an embarrassment of riches in the minors. The Red Sox might challenge for another year, then the upcoming contracts of the big players, Sale, Betts, Bogie added to the already bloated payroll could hamstring the Sox. Grrrrr. I liked the Yankees better when they did stupid things.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 16, 2019 21:18:40 GMT
If that is the going rate, I don’t any reason that the Phillies wouldn’t sign both him and Harper instead of either or. At that price there should be a dozens teams involved in the bidding. Could teams be looking at Albert Pujols and Miguel Cabrara and wising up?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 21:31:14 GMT
If that is the going rate, I don’t any reason that the Phillies wouldn’t sign both him and Harper instead of either or. At that price there should be a dozens teams involved in the bidding. The Phils tried building from within - like back in the days of Howard, Hamels, Rollins and Utley. Then the 'Stros and Royals did it to success at a point (Royals fell off) - i.e. build from the farm. The Phils tried it again and showed years of patience. I'm sorry - JP sucked - Kingery as much as I think it was Kaplers fault for using him as a Swiss Army knife and not getting him accustomed to 2nd all the time (was supposed to be Utley v2.0) - for Christ Sakes he even used him as a pitcher last year (and I'm pretty much the only Kapler fan on the planet it seems - not hating on him), Alfaro to me although while being a good defensive catcher - his power #s were abysmal after he was supposed to have some pop in his bat after being called up - well - if you're not going to hit for power at least hit for average - which he didn't. Franco has been up and down and more often than not down after he was supposed to be the cornerstone of the rebuild. Herrera is a complete enigma to me - who seems as if he can challenge for the batting crown - but then makes some of the laziest bone head mistakes which lands him in the doghouse all the time.........Hamels trade acquisitions have disappointed to an extent - Williams seems like a 4th outfielder at best............ Screw the rebuild - it failed. Now they have coin. Buy Buy Buy. People say this town bleeds green. I'm in the minority. Debatable in my eyes. Never saw a frenzy here like 2007-2011 and that includes the Reid/McNabb NFC Championship Games and Super Bowl last year. Ever go to a Phils game(s) in the summer when they're on top of the world and get hyped for those playoff/World Series Games? Greatest atmosphere I've ever been to.
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Post by hehatesshe on Jan 16, 2019 21:50:11 GMT
If that is the going rate, I don’t any reason that the Phillies wouldn’t sign both him and Harper instead of either or. At that price there should be a dozens teams involved in the bidding. Could teams be looking at Albert Pujols and Miguel Cabrara and wising up? You can't compare the 7 year offer to Machado to either of those contracts. Both Pujos and Cabrara were north of 30 when they signed, both with contracts giving them 28M plus a year into their age 41 season. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 16, 2019 22:07:07 GMT
If that is the going rate, I don’t any reason that the Phillies wouldn’t sign both him and Harper instead of either or. At that price there should be a dozens teams involved in the bidding. The Phils tried building from within - like back in the days of Howard, Hamels, Rollins and Utley. Then the 'Stros and Royals did it to success at a point (Royals fell off) - i.e. build from the farm. The Phils tried it again and showed years of patience. I'm sorry - JP sucked - Kingery as much as I think it was Kaplers fault for using him as a Swiss Army knife and not getting him accustomed to 2nd all the time (was supposed to be Utley v2.0) - for Christ Sakes he even used him as a pitcher last year (and I'm pretty much the only Kapler fan on the planet it seems - not hating on him), Alfaro to me although while being a good defensive catcher - his power #s were abysmal after he was supposed to have some pop in his bat after being called up - well - if you're not going to hit for power at least hit for average - which he didn't. Franco has been up and down and more often than not down after he was supposed to be the cornerstone of the rebuild.  Herrera is a complete enigma to me - who seems as if he can challenge for the batting crown - but then makes some of the laziest bone head mistakes which lands him in the doghouse all the time.........Hamels trade acquisitions have disappointed to an extent - Williams seems like a 4th outfielder at best............ Screw the rebuild - it failed. Now they have coin. Buy Buy Buy. People say this town bleeds green. I'm in the minority. Debatable in my eyes.  Never saw a frenzy here like 2007-2011 and that includes the Reid/McNabb NFC Championship Games and Super Bowl last year.  Ever go to a Phils game(s) in the summer when they're on top of the world and get hyped for those playoff/World Series Games? Greatest atmosphere I've ever been to. There isn’t a single fan of Philadelphia sports (other than maybe you) that wouldn’t trade the 2007 - 2012 Phillies for Super Bowl LII and throw in the Flyers for free. And I’m saying that as someone who loves that era of the Phillies. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 22:15:58 GMT
There isn’t a single fan of Philadelphia sports (other than maybe you) that wouldn’t trade the 2007 - 2012 Phillies for Super Bowl LII and throw in the Flyers for free. And I’m saying that as someone who loves that era of the Phillies. If you can pick going to 8 home games going to an Eagles Championship Team game at the Link.... .... or.....81 Home Games going to a Phils game at the Bank - what would you pick? I get your argument and where you're coming from and I guess this comes down to personal opinion and where you were at that point of your life..... let's even disregard 81 vs 8. spring/summer/fall vs. a cold winter and drunken bums in the stands and parking lot
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 16, 2019 23:01:39 GMT
Could teams be looking at Albert Pujols and Miguel Cabrara and wising up? You can't compare the 7 year offer to Machado to either of those contracts. Both Pujos and Cabrara were north of 30 when they signed, both with contracts giving them 28M plus a year into their age 41 season. Neither MM or Bryce will be the disaster that Prince Albert or Miggy will be. Cabrera's numbers started falling off after age 33. Same with Pujols (he put up some empty numbers at age 36 (big power, nothing else, Kingman-esque). A team won't have the albatross of a big deal to a 40+ year old, but these 7-10 year deals rarely work. Couple that with the perceived attitudes of both players.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jan 17, 2019 1:07:12 GMT
Agreed I'm a Mets fan and hate the Yankees but their new approach of building from within without spending ridiculous amounts of money could build them a new dynasty like in the late 90's specially with the young core they have (Judge, Sanchez, Andujar) all they really need is a good Ace and they are ready to go. The Yanks of the early 2000's would have thrown bushels of cash at Harper, regardless of need. Especially in a year where the Red Sox aren't making many headlines. You could call Judge, Sanchez. Andujar and Torres the "New Core Four". And very wise acquisitions, Didi Gregorius, Aaron Hicks and a couple big contracts, Stanton, Chapman. They stayed away from Ohtani last year and the Terrible Two this year. Still with an embarrassment of riches in the minors. The Red Sox might challenge for another year, then the upcoming contracts of the big players, Sale, Betts, Bogie added to the already bloated payroll could hamstring the Sox. Grrrrr. I liked the Yankees better when they did stupid things. What about the Os? Surely they are in the playoffs within 2 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 1:28:28 GMT
If that is the going rate, I don’t any reason that the Phillies wouldn’t sign both him and Harper instead of either or. At that price there should be a dozens teams involved in the bidding. Could teams be looking at Albert Pujols and Miguel Cabrara and wising up? The Cabrera deal was a 8 year deal starting with age 33 season and going through his age 40 season. Plus 2 option seasons for ages 41 and 42.
The Pujols deal was a 10 year deal starting with age 32 season and going through his age 41 season.
If Machado signs a 10 year deal it will be for ages 26-35.
If Harper signs a 10 year deal it will be for ages 26-35.
Not really a fair one for one comparison.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jan 18, 2019 10:32:48 GMT
4 year deal tops would be smart with Manny,
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 14:07:06 GMT
Machado's Dad is now a part of the circus.
Stating his son isn't going to land where everybody thinks he is - and there's a mystery team involved perhaps.
More nonsense to jack up the price and bidding war between the Sox, Yanks, Blue, Phils, etc.....i.e. the usual suspects.
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