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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 19, 2019 15:05:52 GMT
I can't believe the Blue Jays are even being mentioned. Though the crazy talk does seem to be enticing FA's to want to play with Vlady Jr. & Bichette. Why would Harper or Machado's agent ever allow them to sign away long term marketing potential for Toronto.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 16:38:09 GMT
I can't believe the Blue Jays are even being mentioned. Though the crazy talk does seem to be enticing FA's to want to play with Vlady Jr. & Bichette. Why would Harper or Machado's agent ever allow them to sign away long term marketing potential for Toronto. what MLB players make a coin in marketing nowadays anyway? MLB commiss came out and blasted Trout for not getting his face out there enough - wellhis mug is all over here in Philly - I guess not anywhere else. who's to blame for MLB players not being marketed, popular, picked up in commericials, name recognition amongst the general public like the NFL and NBA? is it MLB, the player, the times we live in (where nobody cares about baseball), TV (who care about revenue) or a combination of all? think of 'living conditions'. Why not live in Toronto? Intrigued by Kawhi's decision - go to the Clips since he's not an Alpha or stay in Toronto?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 19, 2019 17:35:43 GMT
I can't believe the Blue Jays are even being mentioned. Though the crazy talk does seem to be enticing FA's to want to play with Vlady Jr. & Bichette. Why would Harper or Machado's agent ever allow them to sign away long term marketing potential for Toronto. what MLB players make a coin in marketing nowadays anyway? MLB commiss came out and blasted Trout for not getting his face out there enough - wellhis mug is all over here in Philly - I guess not anywhere else. who's to blame for MLB players not being marketed, popular, picked up in commericials, name recognition amongst the general public like the NFL and NBA? is it MLB, the player, the times we live in (where nobody cares about baseball), TV (who care about revenue) or a combination of all? I don't know, but the NBA and NFL know how to market their players. Has to be some way to get these secrets. Remember Robert Griffin III? He was marketed to death before he was drafted. I recall three or four major TV ad campaigns. My wife recoginzed him, she asked "Who's the RGIII and is that his real name or an acronym?" My wife, who never watched a CFB game that year. A player who had played as many minutes as I have in the NFL was a household name. Granted, baseball seems to have superstars who are as exciting as bowl of corn flakes. Trout, Aaron Judge seems to be dull. But ad agencies can make anyone seem relevant.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 17:44:59 GMT
what MLB players make a coin in marketing nowadays anyway? MLB commiss came out and blasted Trout for not getting his face out there enough - wellhis mug is all over here in Philly - I guess not anywhere else. who's to blame for MLB players not being marketed, popular, picked up in commericials, name recognition amongst the general public like the NFL and NBA? is it MLB, the player, the times we live in (where nobody cares about baseball), TV (who care about revenue) or a combination of all? I don't know, but the NBA and NFL know how to market their players. Has to be some way to get these secrets. Remember Robert Griffin III? He was marketed to death before he was drafted. I recall three or four major TV ad campaigns. My wife recoginzed him, she asked "Who's the RGIII and is that his real name or an acronym?" My wife, who never watched a CFB game that year. A player who had played as many minutes as I have in the NFL was a household name. Granted, baseball seems to have superstars who are as exciting as bowl of corn flakes. Trout, Aaron Judge seems to be dull. But ad agencies can make anyone seem relevant. I don't get it. Trout and Judge are two great examples I don't know what MLB can do other than possibly shortening the MLB Season and I'd like to go back to the old format and nix the 1 game Wilcard Playoff which in my eyes is the biggest travesty in sports (with the NHL's 1 PT for an OT loss a close second) I'll get tomatoes thrown at me - so be it. Condense the season dramaticaly. Pitchers and catchers report 2nd week of April. Spring training is 2 weeks in May. Boys of Summer? OK. Start the Season Memorial Day around May 28th - the kickoff to summer - a bit before the NBA Finals are set and a couple of weeks before schools let out.. End the Season Labor Day - Sept 3rd or so right when the NFL is kicking off. You play an 82 game set - ballpark NBA and NHL games. Screw inter league play - 75% of the games will be division rivals where travel is doable in that time span. I'm just getting started............
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 19, 2019 18:00:06 GMT
I don't know, but the NBA and NFL know how to market their players. Has to be some way to get these secrets. Remember Robert Griffin III? He was marketed to death before he was drafted. I recall three or four major TV ad campaigns. My wife recoginzed him, she asked "Who's the RGIII and is that his real name or an acronym?" My wife, who never watched a CFB game that year. A player who had played as many minutes as I have in the NFL was a household name. Granted, baseball seems to have superstars who are as exciting as bowl of corn flakes. Trout, Aaron Judge seems to be dull. But ad agencies can make anyone seem relevant. I don't get it. Trout and Judge are two great examples I don't know what MLB can do other than possibly shortening the MLB Season and I'd like to go back to the old format and nix the 1 game Wilcard Playoff which in my eyes is the biggest travesty in sports (with the NHL's 1 PT for an OT loss a close second) I'll get tomatoes thrown at me - so be it. Condense the season dramaticaly. Pitchers and catchers report 2nd week of April. Spring training is 2 weeks in May. Boys of Summer? OK. Start the Season Memorial Day around May 28th - the kickoff to summer - a bit before the NBA Finals are set and a couple of weeks before schools let out.. End the Season Labor Day - Sept 3rd or so right when the NFL is kicking off. You play an 82 game set - ballpark NBA and NHL games. Screw inter league play - 75% of the games will be division rivals where travel is doable in that time span. I'm just getting started............ The owners are the ones who will throw tomatoes. Think they would be on board with cutting half of their games? Half of their home dates? Half of the local TV revenue (which is enormous)? Just because fans don't have the attention span? Would you if you owned a team? Financially, baseball is in the best shape ever. The local TV deals, MLB Extra innings and merchandise printing money for the game. The real danger is having the game itself become irrelevant. Making some star a hip image would help a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 18:18:10 GMT
I don't get it. Trout and Judge are two great examples I don't know what MLB can do other than possibly shortening the MLB Season and I'd like to go back to the old format and nix the 1 game Wilcard Playoff which in my eyes is the biggest travesty in sports (with the NHL's 1 PT for an OT loss a close second) I'll get tomatoes thrown at me - so be it. Condense the season dramaticaly. Pitchers and catchers report 2nd week of April. Spring training is 2 weeks in May. Boys of Summer? OK. Start the Season Memorial Day around May 28th - the kickoff to summer - a bit before the NBA Finals are set and a couple of weeks before schools let out.. End the Season Labor Day - Sept 3rd or so right when the NFL is kicking off. You play an 82 game set - ballpark NBA and NHL games. Screw inter league play - 75% of the games will be division rivals where travel is doable in that time span. I'm just getting started............ The owners are the ones who will throw tomatoes. Think they would be on board with cutting half of their games? Half of their home dates? Half of the local TV revenue (which is enormous)? Just because fans don't have the attention span? Would you if you owned a team? Financially, baseball is in the best shape ever. The local TV deals, MLB Extra innings and merchandise printing money for the game. The real danger is having the game itself become irrelevant. Making some star a hip image would help a lot. Look at the flip side of that argument thought which I find intriguing beyond belief. Condense the season. Games more meaningfull Think TV rating wouldn't spike or attendance figures skyrocket? as opposed to empty stadiums in April and May before schools let out? empty stadiums in September when a club knows (and their fanbase too) they're out of it? what was '94 the strike season when it was kind of exciting? same happened with the NHL year ago you go 82 or so games - 5% of me can almost stomach a 1 game WC playoff - 162 games? what planet do I live on where people support this horseshit. luckily the phils have never been involved and I feel for those fanbases that booted. even feel for yanks and bosox fans involved in this nonsense. i'll never forget - think it was like in 2011 when the Phils got ousted in the playoffs after winning 100 games - may have been 2010 - sh*t - at least they weren't given just one chance to make it to the next round.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 19, 2019 18:41:31 GMT
The owners are the ones who will throw tomatoes. Think they would be on board with cutting half of their games? Half of their home dates? Half of the local TV revenue (which is enormous)? Just because fans don't have the attention span? Would you if you owned a team? Financially, baseball is in the best shape ever. The local TV deals, MLB Extra innings and merchandise printing money for the game. The real danger is having the game itself become irrelevant. Making some star a hip image would help a lot. Look at the flip side of that argument thought which I find intriguing beyond belief. Condense the season. Games more meaningfull Think TV rating wouldn't spike or attendance figures skyrocket? as opposed to empty stadiums in April and May before schools let out? empty stadiums in September when a club knows (and their fanbase too) they're out of it? what was '94 the strike season when it was kind of exciting? same happened with the NHL year ago you go 82 or so games - 5% of me can almost stomach a 1 game WC playoff - 162 games? what planet do I live on where people support this horseshit. luckily the phils have never been involved and I feel for those fanbases that booted. even feel for yanks and bosox fans involved in this nonsense. i'll never forget - think it was like in 2011 when the Phils got ousted in the playoffs after winning 100 games - may have been 2010 - sh*t - at least they weren't given just one chance to make it to the next round. It's like telling a bar/club owner "You would get more energetic crowds if you closed Friday and opened Saturday. People might be tired of the place if you were opened both nights. Is a more lively crowd worth halving your income stream." No one is going to cut potential money making dates out of a schedule. A ballpark with 1000 people in attendance makes more money that a ballpark that's closed. Only way to shorten a season is a return to the Sunday Double headers. Charge extra, have every Sunday "two fers" and you condense the season. But the players piss themselves at the mere thought of a scheduled doubleheader. And you come back to the fact that the average American has the attention span of a flea.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 18:52:53 GMT
Look at the flip side of that argument thought which I find intriguing beyond belief. Condense the season. Games more meaningfull Think TV rating wouldn't spike or attendance figures skyrocket? as opposed to empty stadiums in April and May before schools let out? empty stadiums in September when a club knows (and their fanbase too) they're out of it? what was '94 the strike season when it was kind of exciting? same happened with the NHL year ago you go 82 or so games - 5% of me can almost stomach a 1 game WC playoff - 162 games? what planet do I live on where people support this horseshit. luckily the phils have never been involved and I feel for those fanbases that booted. even feel for yanks and bosox fans involved in this nonsense. i'll never forget - think it was like in 2011 when the Phils got ousted in the playoffs after winning 100 games - may have been 2010 - sh*t - at least they weren't given just one chance to make it to the next round. It's like telling a bar/club owner "You would get more energetic crowds if you closed Friday and opened Saturday. People might be tired of the place if you were opened both nights. Is a more lively crowd worth halving your income stream." No one is going to cut potential money making dates out of a schedule. A ballpark with 1000 people in attendance makes more money that a ballpark that's closed. Only way to shorten a season is a return to the Sunday Double headers. Charge extra, have every Sunday "two fers" and you condense the season. But the players piss themselves at the mere thought of a scheduled doubleheader. And you come back to the fact that the average American has the attention span of a flea. Ah! Yes! This! I still bartend PT - it is well worth having a bar stay open on Friday/Saturday nights until 2am and close on Sunday night at 9pm as well as the rest of the week if it makes more sense financially for the business? Yes - dependent on location and atmosphere of the bar - they need to consider expenses that are not being made up from people walking through the door - i.e. salary wages, heating & air conditioning, electricity, security...... We have MLB - are all of these teams - or even a majority of them selling out - or packing 3/4 of the house in April, May, September? Would it not make more sense to compact the season where games are meaningful and fans may feel more intrigued to watch on TV and pack the stadiums (not talking about the hardcore fans here)? i.e. if a bar has one customer walk through the door on a Sunday night from 8pm - 2am - and they spend $10 on beer - it is fiscally responsible for that owner to keep the bar open....or close to cut losses?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 19:42:04 GMT
Prediction:
Phils Machado signing comes hours before the Super Bowl tomorrow.
It's a way of MLB stealing a bit of thunder - a move that will likely be talked about during the Super Bowl - heading into pitchers and catchers reporting.
Brilliant marketing/sales plan by MLB to get some news out there during the biggest party of the year.
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Post by tristramshandy on Feb 5, 2019 2:36:34 GMT
I don't know why suddenly next year teams would be more into getting Machado, but I just read this:
Joel Sherman of the New York Post offered up an interesting solution for Machado's free agency woes:
If Machado did a one-year deal, he would return to a free-agent market next offseason that could include shortstop/third basemen Nolan Arenado, Josh Donaldson, Anthony Rendon, Xander Bogaerts and Didi Gregorius. Still, Machado would still have only played his age-26 season in 2019 and be younger than all in that group except Bogaerts, who is three months younger. Thus, I suspect barring calamitous injury (which is a small risk), he would receive at least seven-year, $175 million offers again, which means a total of eight years at $210 million if he could score a one-year, $35 million deal.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 20:11:38 GMT
Yanks reportedly offer Machado $220 million reportedly for 7/8 years.
What's the holdup Phils - just give him 10 years and $300 mil.
does anybody know why the Dodgers haven't been rumored to re-sign him with all the money they have and after what they gave up for him at the trade deadline?
is there something going on behind the scenes with this guy?
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Feb 9, 2019 22:23:44 GMT
heard the braves just made an offer!??
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Post by Geddy on Feb 9, 2019 22:58:36 GMT
Yanks reportedly offer Machado $220 million reportedly for 7/8 years.
What's the holdup Phils - just give him 10 years and $300 mil.
does anybody know why the Dodgers haven't been rumored to re-sign him with all the money they have and after what they gave up for him at the trade deadline?
is there something going on behind the scenes with this guy?
Perhaps the reason it's taking so long for Harper and Machado to be signed by clubs is because both guys are real assholes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 23:11:15 GMT
Yanks reportedly offer Machado $220 million reportedly for 7/8 years.
What's the holdup Phils - just give him 10 years and $300 mil.
does anybody know why the Dodgers haven't been rumored to re-sign him with all the money they have and after what they gave up for him at the trade deadline?
is there something going on behind the scenes with this guy?
Perhaps the reason it's taking so long for Harper and Machado to be signed by clubs is because both guys are real assholes. Agreed.
I'm also getting an NFL feel to this when a star holds out in the summer to skip the meaningless ridiculous 4 game preseason and training camp - i.e. if you are 'that guy' - i.e. a superstar and you feel you don't 'need it'.
I guess as long as they're there first game end of March/1st of April - it's kind of all that counts.
I think pitchers and catchers reporting in February and asinine month long exhibition games in MLB is one of the most ridiculous events in sports this side of a point for an OT loss in hockey.
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Post by tristramshandy on Feb 10, 2019 2:57:23 GMT
Yanks reportedly offer Machado $220 million reportedly for 7/8 years.
What's the holdup Phils - just give him 10 years and $300 mil.
does anybody know why the Dodgers haven't been rumored to re-sign him with all the money they have and after what they gave up for him at the trade deadline?
is there something going on behind the scenes with this guy?
They only made the trade for him because Corey Seager was out for the year. Even as they traded for him, I never got the idea that they were going to sign him afterwards.
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Post by tristramshandy on Feb 10, 2019 2:59:14 GMT
I think pitchers and catchers reporting in February and asinine month long exhibition games in MLB is one of the most ridiculous events in sports this side of a point for an OT loss in hockey.
Agreed. You have 162 games - - you don't need a month of exhibition games for a regular season that is three months worth of exhibition.
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Post by hehatesshe on Feb 10, 2019 8:01:24 GMT
Yanks reportedly offer Machado $220 million reportedly for 7/8 years.
What's the holdup Phils - just give him 10 years and $300 mil.
does anybody know why the Dodgers haven't been rumored to re-sign him with all the money they have and after what they gave up for him at the trade deadline?
is there something going on behind the scenes with this guy?
I think that number was a rumor from a while ago, before they made a couple other big signings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 16:29:23 GMT
Update - Pads meet with Machado for a 2nd time
Interesting. Signing could be coming soon.
Think he's playing the Pads to get more money/years from the Yanks?
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