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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 19, 2019 1:29:46 GMT
Lately some of the ungodly ones on RFS have been asking me what I think about stuff. Goz and Bryce did it just yesterday. Bah! Like they actually give a damn what I think about anything. What a load. They're here to teach, not to learn. Nevertheless, I've been wondering if I've been here long enough to be considered one of the "bored elders" yet.
Okay, back to business. On seeing and hearing things that aren't there. In modern times I think we call that schizophrenia, and treatments are offered, but I seem to remember from my studies of the ancient Greco-Roman world that it was not done to harm a crazy person because it was actually believed that the gods communicated through such people.
My feeing is that if anyone sees or hears something, it exists, even if it it's "not there." Recently on Coast to Coast, the guest (a paranormal investigator) told an interesting if somewhat chilling story which I shall now relate to anyone who is interested. Parents were having a problem with their young son wetting his bed. They asked him why he is doing this when he knows how to go the bathroom, and he told them that he doesn't like to go into the bathroom at night. So they asked him why he doesn't like going into the bathroom at night, and he tells them that when he goes into the bathroom at night there is a woman sitting in the bathtub in red water, and he doesn't want to see that. The parents did a little asking around and learned that several years earlier a woman lived in that house and she committed suicide by bleeding herself in the bathtub.
Now let's take a look at what we've got. The woman in the bathtub existed, and she died in that tub, but she is no longer there years later when the boy goes into the bathroom at night to take a leak. And yet, he is still seeing her even though she is "not there," and it makes him uncomfortable, so he wets the bed rather than go in the bathroom at night.
What do YOU think? Should the boy be given pills to correct the problem? Should he be sent to the local academy for nutty little kids who see things that aren't there? How would you handle it? Me, I'd get the boy a chamber pot and put it in his bedroom, at least until he's old enough to stop seeing things that are "not there."
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Post by maya55555 on Jan 19, 2019 5:12:30 GMT
The little boy has a gift.
Have the house blessed and call in a legit psychic to help the spirit pass.
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Post by phludowin on Jan 19, 2019 12:05:27 GMT
This story is probably fake. Google doesn't seem to know it, or consider it important enough to put on the first search results page.
But even if assuming it was true, or contained a grain of truth: There are plenty of movies which could tell parents what to do. The Sixth Sense, What Lies Beneath...
Otherwise, ask the boy questions without being too pushy, and without influencing him. What does the woman look like? Is she hostile? Is she trying to communicate? Does the boy only see her when he's alone in the bathroom at night?
More mundane questions: Did the boy hear about the woman? Did maybe someone at school or kindergarten tell him, and he started having nightmares?
There are plenty of explanations, and still no reason to believe in the supernatural.
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Post by heeeeey on Jan 19, 2019 15:24:26 GMT
Two things come to mind: Why didn't he say something earlier about it?
Two, if true, goz and fartsus would say it's due to brain chemicals.
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Post by goz on Jan 19, 2019 20:24:18 GMT
Two things come to mind: Why didn't he say something earlier about it? Two, if true, goz and fartsus would say it's due to brain chemicals. Much as I hate to admit it, EVEN your brain farts are the result of chemicals ( which admittedly need some modification with medication and/or surgery. Its called a lobotomy.) |
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 19, 2019 20:26:04 GMT
Two things come to mind: Why didn't he say something earlier about it? Two, if true, goz and fartsus would say it's due to brain chemicals. What's with this constant pairing of Goz and Faustus. Why not use some other atheists once in a while. Like Lowtax, Rizdek and others. |
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Post by goz on Jan 19, 2019 20:39:13 GMT
Two things come to mind: Why didn't he say something earlier about it? Two, if true, goz and fartsus would say it's due to brain chemicals. What's with this constant pairing of Goz and Fautus. Why not use some other atheists once in a while. Like Lowtax, Rizdek and others. With some modesty, I like to think that we are the most annoying to her...you know with our truth in science shit etc! People like her can't STAND facts, knowledge and shit they can't understand ( or refuse to) No offense to the other great posters who are also doing a great job at re-enforcing the level of logical and accumulated scientific and other knowledge of which she and her other shit-for brains anti-intellectual cohorts, have NO idea about! We also love each other spiritually and will probably marry or at least have a flaming passionate affair in the next life!!!!!   |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 19, 2019 20:48:38 GMT
Two things come to mind: Why didn't he say something earlier about it? Two, if true, goz and fartsus would say it's due to brain chemicals. Of course they are going to say it's brain chemicals causing the child to have a hallucination. It's what clowns like them do. It's their job. And yet, how could the child possibly know that a woman had died in that house years earlier when the parents didn't even know it? As to why he didn't say something earlier about it, I would imagine that it wasn't an easy thing to verbalize, so he didn't talk about it until he parents questioned him. "Mommy and Daddy, I don't want to go into the bathroom at night anymore because when I do there's a strange lady in the bathtub."Next, it's off to see the kiddie shrink. |
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Post by goz on Jan 19, 2019 20:51:27 GMT
Two things come to mind: Why didn't he say something earlier about it? Two, if true, goz and fartsus would say it's due to brain chemicals. Of course they are going to say it's brain chemicals causing the child to have a hallucination. It's what clowns like them do. It's their job. And yet, how could the child possibly know that a woman had died in that house years earlier when the parents didn't even know it? As to why he didn't say something earlier about it, I would imagine that it wasn't an easy thing to verbalize, so he didn't talk about it until he parents questioned him. "Mommy and Daddy, I don't want to go into the bathroom at night anymore because when I do there's a strange lady in the bathtub."Next, it's off to see the kiddie shrink. Erjenous! How do you know that the story is true and the details? edit: BTW ALL thoughts are the result of brain chemicals. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 19, 2019 20:58:40 GMT
This story is probably fake. Google doesn't seem to know it, or consider it important enough to put on the first search results page. But even if assuming it was true, or contained a grain of truth: There are plenty of movies which could tell parents what to do. The Sixth Sense, What Lies Beneath... Otherwise, ask the boy questions without being too pushy, and without influencing him. What does the woman look like? Is she hostile? Is she trying to communicate? Does the boy only see her when he's alone in the bathroom at night? More mundane questions: Did the boy hear about the woman? Did maybe someone at school or kindergarten tell him, and he started having nightmares? There are plenty of explanations, and still no reason to believe in the supernatural. I tried to find it too, but because Google doesn't know it how does that make it mean the story is probably fake? Not every paranormal event is publicized, and I would imagine people who have had things like this happen would want to keep it as quiet as possible, if for no better reason than they don't wish to be called liars or crazy by a certain group of people within society. If there had been something on the Internet about it, would you then say it was probably real? I doubt it. The guest on Coast didn't say anything about the woman in the tub acknowledging the boy in any way. She was just there, even though she was "not there." A lot of apparitions that people see don't appear to be conscious, or at least they pay absolutely no attention to the people who are seeing them. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 19, 2019 21:03:54 GMT
Of course they are going to say it's brain chemicals causing the child to have a hallucination. It's what clowns like them do. It's their job. And yet, how could the child possibly know that a woman had died in that house years earlier when the parents didn't even know it? As to why he didn't say something earlier about it, I would imagine that it wasn't an easy thing to verbalize, so he didn't talk about it until he parents questioned him. "Mommy and Daddy, I don't want to go into the bathroom at night anymore because when I do there's a strange lady in the bathtub."Next, it's off to see the kiddie shrink. Erjenous! How do you know that the story is true and the details? edit: BTW ALL thoughts are the result of brain chemicals. I don't know the story is true, Your Gozzness, but I don't know that it's false either. And BTW you can't prove all thoughts are the results of brain chemicals. A few times in my life I've seen people (or entities) that weren't there, and I wasn't tripping on anything, but I was very tired (not awake but no asleep either, kind of in the zone between awake and asleep). My eyes were closed but I could still see them, and their faces were too detailed and lifelike for my little brain to invent. Now is there anything else? Or are you satisfied that nothing has been said here to alter your preconceived notions? |
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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 19, 2019 21:35:14 GMT
Two things come to mind: Why didn't he say something earlier about it? Two, if true, goz and fartsus would say it's due to brain chemicals. Of course they are going to say it's brain chemicals causing the child to have a hallucination. It's what clowns like them do. It's their job. And yet, how could the child possibly know that a woman had died in that house years earlier when the parents didn't even know it? As to why he didn't say something earlier about it, I would imagine that it wasn't an easy thing to verbalize, so he didn't talk about it until he parents questioned him. "Mommy and Daddy, I don't want to go into the bathroom at night anymore because when I do there's a strange lady in the bathtub."Next, it's off to see the kiddie shrink. What if God put chemicals into his brain which enables him to see things? How’s that for compromise? |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 19, 2019 22:09:40 GMT
Of course they are going to say it's brain chemicals causing the child to have a hallucination. It's what clowns like them do. It's their job. And yet, how could the child possibly know that a woman had died in that house years earlier when the parents didn't even know it? As to why he didn't say something earlier about it, I would imagine that it wasn't an easy thing to verbalize, so he didn't talk about it until he parents questioned him. "Mommy and Daddy, I don't want to go into the bathroom at night anymore because when I do there's a strange lady in the bathtub."Next, it's off to see the kiddie shrink. What if God put chemicals into his brain which enables him to see things? How’s that for compromise? If you mean see things that actually exist in the spirit realm but are physically not there, then yeah, I can hang with that. I have a relative who has taken hallucinogens many times, and people who do this are going to see and hear something, but I wasn't on anything when I had my experiences, so evidently the drugs can open doors in the brain that are ordinarily closed, but I think it's not the only way to open those doors. |
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Post by heeeeey on Jan 19, 2019 23:40:42 GMT
Two things come to mind: Why didn't he say something earlier about it? Two, if true, goz and fartsus would say it's due to brain chemicals. What's with this constant pairing of Goz and Faustus. Why not use some other atheists once in a while. Like Lowtax, Rizdek and others. Because they're a pair of twits. I do sometimes say 'et al'. |
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Post by looking4klingons on Jan 20, 2019 4:54:29 GMT
Lately some of the ungodly ones on RFS have been asking me what I think about stuff. Goz and Bryce did it just yesterday. Bah! Like they actually give a damn what I think about anything. What a load. They're here to teach, not to learn. Nevertheless, I've been wondering if I've been here long enough to be considered one of the "bored elders" yet. Okay, back to business. On seeing and hearing things that aren't there. In modern times I think we call that schizophrenia, and treatments are offered, but I seem to remember from my studies of the ancient Greco-Roman world that it was not done to harm a crazy person because it was actually believed that the gods communicated through such people. My feeing is that if anyone sees or hears something, it exists, even if it it's "not there." Recently on Coast to Coast, the guest (a paranormal investigator) told an interesting if somewhat chilling story which I shall now relate to anyone who is interested. Parents were having a problem with their young son wetting his bed. They asked him why he is doing this when he knows how to go the bathroom, and he told them that he doesn't like to go into the bathroom at night. So they asked him why he doesn't like going into the bathroom at night, and he tells them that when he goes into the bathroom at night there is a woman sitting in the bathtub in red water, and he doesn't want to see that. The parents did a little asking around and learned that several years earlier a woman lived in that house and she committed suicide by bleeding herself in the bathtub. Now let's take a look at what we've got. The woman in the bathtub existed, and she died in that tub, but she is no longer there years later when the boy goes into the bathroom at night to take a leak. And yet, he is still seeing her even though she is "not there," and it makes him uncomfortable, so he wets the bed rather than go in the bathroom at night. What do YOU think? Should the boy be given pills to correct the problem? Should he be sent to the local academy for nutty little kids who see things that aren't there? How would you handle it? Me, I'd get the boy a chamber pot and put it in his bedroom, at least until he's old enough to stop seeing things that are "not there." If I was the parent, I'd tell my son to wake me up when he's gotta go...I'll go with him, because I want to see this apparition. Interesting how they always wear clothes. I guess clothes "turn into spirit", too! And red water. I'm not saying there aren't apparitions....only that they are spirits impostering the dead, promoting the lie that the 'dead are alive somewhere' before the Resurrection has even happened. Acts 24:15, "....there is going to be a resurrection...." Future tense. |
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Post by looking4klingons on Jan 20, 2019 5:15:21 GMT
Check out these two sites: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln%27s_ghost(Includes a funny incident w/ Winston Churchill.) www.history.com/topics/halloween/ghosts-in-the-white-house(But, again: why do they have clothes on? It's as I told you before, the sole purpose is to mislead people, to get those who are spiritually aware to mistakenly believe that the dead are living in "another realm".) The Bible clearly says @ Ecclesiastes 9:5, " the dead know nothing." When a person dies, they "return to the ground" -- Genesis 3:19 |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 20, 2019 5:35:11 GMT
Check out these two sites: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln%27s_ghost(Includes a funny incident w/ Winston Churchill.) www.history.com/topics/halloween/ghosts-in-the-white-house(But, again: why do they have clothes on? It's as I told you before, the sole purpose is to mislead people, to get those who are spiritually aware to mistakenly believe that the dead are living in "another realm".) The Bible clearly says @ Ecclesiastes 9:5, " the dead know nothing." When a person dies, they "return to the ground" -- Genesis 3:19 Thanks. I don't know if the suicide in the tub had clothes on or not, but I do remember the testimony of a chap in England who was in a cellar and Roman soldiers started walking out of the wall, and he described in detail what they were wearing, and they paid absolutely no attention to him as they walked into the opposite wall of the cellar. |
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Post by drystyx on Jan 20, 2019 6:13:58 GMT
There are some cases of schizophrenia, and there are some falsely accused of being chemicals.
We live in the darkest age of Information, Psychiatry, Psychology, and Sociology ever, simply because it is human nature to want to feel safe, and that means we naturally want to explain scary things as being just imagination.
If you are in the middle of the ocean and see a 20 foot long white shark coming at you, you really want it to be your imagination. You really don't want to believe it is real.
Same with most things that may or may not be there.
We'll take both scenarios. A scenario where everything is explained naturally. If one is naïve enough to believe this, one can graduate college very easily, because that is preached. That is a religion. Materialism is mandatory. If you don't cave in, or pretend to cave in, you are flunked in most courses past the first two years.
Yet the preaching of this has not yielded productive results, if that scenario is true.
We want to believe it, because we want to believe we can look at everything under a microscope, identify, clarify, classify, and then be on the way to control it all, because humans are control freaks by nature. Many just want to control their own body, but most people I've known want to control other people as well.
There are many subsets of the other scenario, where things that appear are not material, and that includes energy. There can be indifferent apparitions, perhaps shadows, or reflections that just keep bouncing around. Lots of explanations. Again, many of these can be from the natural world and fit in with the gist of Materialism. Trouble is, all those who have degrees and are considered professionals, are terribly biases into proving it's all natural, and there is no supernatural. The objective scientific mind does not exist in the professional world.
When it comes to demons and supernatural entities, from my experience, they are usually not actually seen by our ocular sense, but rather another sense that is unexplained. Same for the sound they make. I actually saw one once, for about five seconds, and called on Jesus and the Holy Ghost to make it vanish again. They are not hallucinations. I'd like to feel safe and say they are just hallucinations, but that is the easy way out. Avoiding reality isn't solving the problem, and we undeniably see that the Materialist view has failed miserably. All doctors do today is cover their own tracks, and fill out forms favorably for their profession. Same for all professionals.
We're in the darkest of the dark ages.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 20, 2019 6:22:23 GMT
There are some cases of schizophrenia, and there are some falsely accused of being chemicals. We live in the darkest age of Information, Psychiatry, Psychology, and Sociology ever, simply because it is human nature to want to feel safe, and that means we naturally want to explain scary things as being just imagination. If you are in the middle of the ocean and see a 20 foot long white shark coming at you, you really want it to be your imagination. You really don't want to believe it is real. Same with most things that may or may not be there. We'll take both scenarios. A scenario where everything is explained naturally. If one is naïve enough to believe this, one can graduate college very easily, because that is preached. That is a religion. Materialism is mandatory. If you don't cave in, or pretend to cave in, you are flunked in most courses past the first two years. Yet the preaching of this has not yielded productive results, if that scenario is true. We want to believe it, because we want to believe we can look at everything under a microscope, identify, clarify, classify, and then be on the way to control it all, because humans are control freaks by nature. Many just want to control their own body, but most people I've known want to control other people as well. There are many subsets of the other scenario, where things that appear are not material, and that includes energy. There can be indifferent apparitions, perhaps shadows, or reflections that just keep bouncing around. Lots of explanations. Again, many of these can be from the natural world and fit in with the gist of Materialism. Trouble is, all those who have degrees and are considered professionals, are terribly biases into proving it's all natural, and there is no supernatural. The objective scientific mind does not exist in the professional world. When it comes to demons and supernatural entities, from my experience, they are usually not actually seen by our ocular sense, but rather another sense that is unexplained. Same for the sound they make. I actually saw one once, for about five seconds, and called on Jesus and the Holy Ghost to make it vanish again. They are not hallucinations. I'd like to feel safe and say they are just hallucinations, but that is the easy way out. Avoiding reality isn't solving the problem, and we undeniably see that the Materialist view has failed miserably. All doctors do today is cover their own tracks, and fill out forms favorably for their profession. Same for all professionals. We're in the darkest of the dark ages. Agreed, Drystyx. So much for the so-called "Age of Enlightenment." |
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Post by phludowin on Jan 20, 2019 13:07:58 GMT
Lately some of the ungodly ones on RFS have been asking me what I think about stuff. Goz and Bryce did it just yesterday. Bah! Like they actually give a damn what I think about anything. What a load. They're here to teach, not to learn. Nevertheless, I've been wondering if I've been here long enough to be considered one of the "bored elders" yet. Okay, back to business. On seeing and hearing things that aren't there. In modern times I think we call that schizophrenia, and treatments are offered, but I seem to remember from my studies of the ancient Greco-Roman world that it was not done to harm a crazy person because it was actually believed that the gods communicated through such people. My feeing is that if anyone sees or hears something, it exists, even if it it's "not there." Recently on Coast to Coast, the guest (a paranormal investigator) told an interesting if somewhat chilling story which I shall now relate to anyone who is interested. Parents were having a problem with their young son wetting his bed. They asked him why he is doing this when he knows how to go the bathroom, and he told them that he doesn't like to go into the bathroom at night. So they asked him why he doesn't like going into the bathroom at night, and he tells them that when he goes into the bathroom at night there is a woman sitting in the bathtub in red water, and he doesn't want to see that. The parents did a little asking around and learned that several years earlier a woman lived in that house and she committed suicide by bleeding herself in the bathtub. Now let's take a look at what we've got. The woman in the bathtub existed, and she died in that tub, but she is no longer there years later when the boy goes into the bathroom at night to take a leak. And yet, he is still seeing her even though she is "not there," and it makes him uncomfortable, so he wets the bed rather than go in the bathroom at night. What do YOU think? Should the boy be given pills to correct the problem? Should he be sent to the local academy for nutty little kids who see things that aren't there? How would you handle it? Me, I'd get the boy a chamber pot and put it in his bedroom, at least until he's old enough to stop seeing things that are "not there." If I was the parent, I'd tell my son to wake me up when he's gotta go...I'll go with him, because I want to see this apparition. Interesting how they always wear clothes. I guess clothes "turn into spirit", too! And red water. You also seem to be seeing things that aren't there. The OP doesn't mention anything about the woman wearing clothes. |
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