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Post by loofapotato on Jan 21, 2019 6:54:48 GMT
The question one should ask is how many accents are native to the U.S. In actuality there maybe dozens. How many can you name?  |
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Post by mslo79 on Jan 21, 2019 8:14:42 GMT
Feologild OakesTrue, but you can see my point though in that I think the more standardized someones accent is, the less of a "accent" is it in a way.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 21, 2019 15:37:19 GMT
Americans think they don't have an accent because they're stupid. Of course we have accents. If the English language came to us via the British then it's the British who sound correct and we're the ones who changed the accent to something else. We even have accents amongst ourselves depending on the part of the country! Hasn't it been agreed upon that 'new world' North American English is closer to how English was pronounced in England at the time of colonization than what the English sound like today? That there was a major shift in pronunciation during Victorian times that didn't cross the Atlantic? Oh! I hadn't heard that. Is that true?! In that case... fuck the British! LOL! 
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Post by deembastille on Jan 21, 2019 18:37:22 GMT
IDK if they are accents or how children were brought up to speak. I grew up in Long Island but do not have the lun
ilund accent. Both my parents grew up in Brooklyn. No one can tell.
A former neighbor from LI actually grew up down the street from the school where I teach. She somehow still has the lun
ilund. She is 80 years old and is now neighbors with my parents again down in Florida.
I just think accents are relative.
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Post by movieliker on Jan 21, 2019 22:12:38 GMT
Well some Americans think that Americans don`t have an accent, but of course they do as everybody has an accent. I have been told many times I have a strong New Orleans accent. I can't hear it. But I am sensitive to other's accents. We don't think we have accents because we can't hear them. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 22, 2019 0:11:21 GMT
Which Americans think they don't have an accent?
Anyone born and bred in any specific country, may not consciously notice the accent from their own region, as much as someone who isn't a native. The US also has many twangs and drawls depending on which part of the country they come from, same with the UK.
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Post by goz on Jan 22, 2019 1:18:02 GMT
Feologild Oakes Where have you gotten the idea that "Americans think they don't have an accent "? ..the word 'gotten' is usually a hint! |
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Post by koskiewicz on Jan 22, 2019 1:20:28 GMT
..listen up...fogettaboutit !!!!
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jan 22, 2019 1:30:28 GMT
Feologild Oakes Where have you gotten the idea that "Americans think they don't have an accent "? ..the word 'gotten' is usually a hint! Please translate that comment into Earth-talk . How does using one particular word convey anything about "how Americans think" one way or another about anything ?
Word usage that varies from location to location has NOTHING to do with accents. Might has well declare: Americans say "the trunk of a car" so that means they think they don't have accents …. |
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Post by goz on Jan 22, 2019 4:58:55 GMT
..the word 'gotten' is usually a hint! Please translate that comment into Earth-talk . How does using one particular word convey anything about "how Americans think" one way or another about anything ?
Word usage that varies from location to location has NOTHING to do with accents. Might has well declare: Americans say "the trunk of a car" so that means they think they don't have accents …. It is NOT rocket surgery! People who use the word 'gotten' would also usually have an American accent! Hint: it is not an English word in the way that Americans use it. |
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Post by Salzmank on Jan 22, 2019 5:06:46 GMT
Please translate that comment into Earth-talk . How does using one particular word convey anything about "how Americans think" one way or another about anything ?
Word usage that varies from location to location has NOTHING to do with accents. Might has well declare: Americans say "the trunk of a car" so that means they think they don't have accents …. It is NOT rocket surgery! People who use the word 'gotten' would also usually have an American accent! Hint: it is not an English word in the way that Americans use it. I hope Bat doesn’t mind my answering this, but I believe what he means is that word-choice (and -usage) is not synonymous with “accent” (or “dialect”), in the same way that a Brit can well use gotten (probably, yes, in America) while still having what one may call “a British accent.” I once had an English boss who used gotten all the time. The use or disuse of the word has nothing to do with the topic at hand. It also has nothing to do with whether or not Americans (or anyone) think they have accents. Furthermore, Brits often use gotten in phrases—“ill-gotten gains” probably being the best example. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jan 22, 2019 5:11:11 GMT
..the word 'gotten' is usually a hint!
The question is why would anyone's USE of that word indicate that they THINK THEY DON'T HAVE AN ACCENT ?
I suggest that stating what you are actually trying to say instead of "hinting" at your meaning, and leaving readers to guess, would help convey your meaning.
"Word usage that varies from location to location has NOTHING to do with accents" indicates that I know that "it is not an English word in the way that Americans use it." |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 22, 2019 5:15:00 GMT
..the word 'gotten' is usually a hint! Please translate that comment into Earth-talk . How does using one particular word convey anything about "how Americans think" one way or another about anything ?
Word usage that varies from location to location has NOTHING to do with accents. Might has well declare: Americans say "the trunk of a car" so that means they think they don't have accents …. I agree. Local dialects and local accents are two different things. |
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Post by goz on Jan 22, 2019 5:15:34 GMT
It is NOT rocket surgery! People who use the word 'gotten' would also usually have an American accent! Hint: it is not an English word in the way that Americans use it. I hope Bat doesn’t mind my answering this, but I believe what he means is that word-choice (and -usage) is synonymous with “accent” (or “dialect”), in the same way that a Brit can well use gotten (probably, yes, in America) while still having what one may call “a British accent.” I once had an English boss who used gotten all the time. The use or disuse of the word has nothing to do with the topic at hand. It also has nothing to do with whether or not Americans (or anyone) think they have accents. Furthermore, Brits often use gotten in phrases—“ill-gotten gains” probably being the best example. I refer you, as ALL good students of words and not only their etymology butt their common usage, to the uncommon usage of 'gotten' outside of America except for certain exceptional circumstances. |
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Post by goz on Jan 22, 2019 5:17:00 GMT
Please translate that comment into Earth-talk . How does using one particular word convey anything about "how Americans think" one way or another about anything ?
Word usage that varies from location to location has NOTHING to do with accents. Might has well declare: Americans say "the trunk of a car" so that means they think they don't have accents …. I agree. Local dialects and local accents are two different things. Which is why I only asserted that the usage of the word 'gotten' might be a commonality with an accent. |
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Post by Salzmank on Jan 22, 2019 5:17:32 GMT
I hope Bat doesn’t mind my answering this, but I believe what he means is that word-choice (and -usage) is synonymous with “accent” (or “dialect”), in the same way that a Brit can well use gotten (probably, yes, in America) while still having what one may call “a British accent.” I once had an English boss who used gotten all the time. The use or disuse of the word has nothing to do with the topic at hand. It also has nothing to do with whether or not Americans (or anyone) think they have accents. Furthermore, Brits often use gotten in phrases—“ill-gotten gains” probably being the best example. I refer you, as ALL good students of words and not only their etymology butt their common usage, to the uncommon usage of 'gotten' outside of America except for certain exceptional circumstances. I’m aware of this. Could you re-read what I already wrote? |
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Post by goz on Jan 22, 2019 5:18:37 GMT
I refer you, as ALL good students of words and not only their etymology butt their common usage, to the uncommon usage of 'gotten' outside of America except for certain exceptional circumstances. I’m aware of this. Could you re-read what I already wrote? ..if you read my last post. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 22, 2019 5:18:38 GMT
I hope Bat doesn’t mind my answering this, but I believe what he means is that word-choice (and -usage) is synonymous with “accent” (or “dialect”), in the same way that a Brit can well use gotten (probably, yes, in America) while still having what one may call “a British accent.” I once had an English boss who used gotten all the time. The use or disuse of the word has nothing to do with the topic at hand. It also has nothing to do with whether or not Americans (or anyone) think they have accents. Furthermore, Brits often use gotten in phrases—“ill-gotten gains” probably being the best example. I refer you, as ALL good students of words and not only their etymology butt their common usage, to the uncommon usage of 'gotten' outside of America except for certain exceptional circumstances. The use of the word "gotten" is a matter of dialect. Which is different than an accent. Yes, one can connect certain local dialects with certain local accents. But they are two different things. |
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Post by Salzmank on Jan 22, 2019 5:19:20 GMT
Let’s try this one on for size: goz , I already mentioned this (English born and bred) boss I had. He used gotten all the time. Did he therefore, by your definition, not have an English accent? I’m really intrigued by your unusual definition of this common word. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jan 22, 2019 5:20:21 GMT
goz BUTT the "discussion is not about WORD USAGE … it's about why word usage would indicate that anyone THINKS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE AN ACCENT ? <---- this being the subject of the thread !
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