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Post by Aj_June on Jan 22, 2019 6:41:59 GMT
Some interesting comments here, somewhat apropos for thread:I must confess I haven’t found anything about areas of the U.S. that absolutely do not use gotten. I am not an American but I have been increasingly using this word more and more in the recent days. I think sometimes the usage rate changes over time. So even if gotten is used more regularly in America at the moment, it may be used by more frequently even by the non-Americans in the future. I believe the word has a little informal sound to it but nonetheless I find it cool. |
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Post by kls on Jan 22, 2019 6:42:59 GMT
Not that I recall. I've heard "I just got up." (but over 90 percent of the time it would be I just woke up). Right, but your statement is in past tense, while mine is in pluperfect. Would you say “I had just got up when…” [“when the mailman rang,” for example]? Everything I’ve always learned, and from what I’m reading online as we speak, is that gotten would be standard North American usage in that case. There’s also a subtle difference here: “Sally and Joe have got a dog” implies present possession, while “Sally and Joe have gotten a dog” implies that they have purchased it in the recent past. I'd say 'I just woke up when the mailman rang'. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jan 22, 2019 6:44:56 GMT
In what part of America do people say gotten? I don't recall hearing that except in the phrase ill gotten. I have lived in many parts of the country and feel that I am pretty well read and cognizant of many word usages and I had to ask someone just now how else to say "where have you gotten the idea that AMERICANS THINK THAT THEY DONT HAVE ACCENTS ?" I suppose that I could have said "Where did you get the idea that AMERICANS THINK THAT THEY DONT HAVE ACCENTS ?" but it never once crossed my mind that this one word would bring forth the arrival of the Spanish Inquisition. But then 
"Where have you gotten" is correct as far as the English Language is concerned but is a North American phraseology. Have to wonder if we will ever get an answer to my query … perhaps if I don't ask it in 'muricin-ese "Where did you get the idea that AMERICANS THINK THAT THEY DONT HAVE ACCENTS ?" . Feologild Oakes |
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Post by Salzmank on Jan 22, 2019 6:45:57 GMT
Right, but your statement is in past tense, while mine is in pluperfect. Would you say “I had just got up when…” [“when the mailman rang,” for example]? Everything I’ve always learned, and from what I’m reading online as we speak, is that gotten would be standard North American usage in that case. There’s also a subtle difference here: “Sally and Joe have got a dog” implies present possession, while “Sally and Joe have gotten a dog” implies that they have purchased it in the recent past. I'd say 'I just woke up when the mailman rang'. OK, well, I was just using that as an example. “I’ve gotten a letter from Bob”? Would you just say, “I got a letter from Bob”? Honestly, I’ve never heard of this. I know people from all over the country, and I’ve never known any American who didn’t use gotten. Not to be mean, I’m just surprised. |
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Post by kls on Jan 22, 2019 6:50:07 GMT
I'd say 'I just woke up when the mailman rang'. OK, well, I was just using that as an example. “I’ve gotten a letter from Bob”? Would you just say, “I got a letter from Bob”? Honestly, I’ve never heard of this. I know people from all over the country, and I’ve never known any American who didn’t use gotten. Not to be mean, I’m just surprised. If it had to be one or the other "I got a letter from Bob." But really I'd be more likely to say "Bob sent me a letter." |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jan 22, 2019 6:50:27 GMT
I've got to admit that I've gotten to regret posting to this thread  |
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Post by Salzmank on Jan 22, 2019 6:52:25 GMT
Well, that’s just replacing get with other verbs, which one can do, sure, but which doesn’t really have to do with this discussion.
I dunno. I’ve gone hunting through every site I can find on American accents (and dialects!) and can’t find a got/gotten split in the country; every source I can find says that Americans use gotten. I can certainly say that New Yorkers and Bostonians—and Chicagoans, and Angelenos, and Southerners—use it.
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Post by movieliker on Jan 22, 2019 6:52:59 GMT
I'd say 'I just woke up when the mailman rang'. OK, well, I was just using that as an example. “I’ve gotten a letter from Bob”? Would you just say, “I got a letter from Bob”? Honestly, I’ve never heard of this. I know people from all over the country, and I’ve never known any American who didn’t use gotten. Not to be mean, I’m just surprised. "Gotten" may be the correct form of the word. But maybe incorrectly I would say "got", instead of "have gotten". |
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Post by kls on Jan 22, 2019 6:55:36 GMT
OK, well, I was just using that as an example. “I’ve gotten a letter from Bob”? Would you just say, “I got a letter from Bob”? Honestly, I’ve never heard of this. I know people from all over the country, and I’ve never known any American who didn’t use gotten. Not to be mean, I’m just surprised. "Gotten" may be the correct form of the word. But maybe incorrectly I would say "got", instead of "have gotten". I do hear got quite a bit. |
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Post by Salzmank on Jan 22, 2019 6:56:07 GMT
OK, well, I was just using that as an example. “I’ve gotten a letter from Bob”? Would you just say, “I got a letter from Bob”? Honestly, I’ve never heard of this. I know people from all over the country, and I’ve never known any American who didn’t use gotten. Not to be mean, I’m just surprised. "Gotten" may be the correct form of the word. But maybe incorrectly I would say "got", instead of "have gotten". I mean, “I got a letter from Bob” is fine, unless you’re trying to use the pluperfect. “I just got a letter from Bob when the doorbell rang” is improper English: “I’d just gotten a letter from Bob when…” is proper American English, while “I’d just got a letter from Bob when…” is proper British English. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 22, 2019 7:13:00 GMT
"Gotten" may be the correct form of the word. But maybe incorrectly I would say "got", instead of "have gotten". I mean, “I got a letter from Bob” is fine, unless you’re trying to use the pluperfect. “I just got a letter from Bob when the doorbell rang” is improper English: “I’d just gotten a letter from Bob when…” is proper American English, while “I’d just got a letter from Bob when…” is proper British English. I would agree. I think I incorrectly use "got". |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 22, 2019 7:13:25 GMT
"Gotten" may be the correct form of the word. But maybe incorrectly I would say "got", instead of "have gotten". I do hear got quite a bit. Me too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 10:19:21 GMT
You all have gotten to be kidding me!
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jan 22, 2019 14:42:26 GMT
You all have gotten to be kidding me! On so many levels, this has turned into a comedy routine worthy of Abbott and Costello and we STILL don't know from whence the question was derived. btw re: your post |
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jan 22, 2019 15:09:49 GMT
This thread has gotten a lot more replied than i expected.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jan 22, 2019 16:27:10 GMT
This thread has gotten a lot more replied than i expected. BUT you STILL have not answered my question ! WHERE have you heard/seen/read that "Americans think they don't have an accent" ? |
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Post by Salzmank on Jan 23, 2019 17:15:32 GMT
It is NOT rocket surgery! People who use the word 'gotten' would also usually have an American accent! Hint: it is not an English word in the way that Americans use it. I hope Bat doesn’t mind my answering this, but I believe what he means is that word-choice (and -usage) is not synonymous with “accent” (or “dialect”), in the same way that a Brit can well use gotten (probably, yes, in America) while still having what one may call “a British accent.” I once had an English boss who used gotten all the time. The use or disuse of the word has nothing to do with the topic at hand. It also has nothing to do with whether or not Americans (or anyone) think they have accents. Furthermore, Brits often use gotten in phrases—“ill-gotten gains” probably being the best example. I just realized that I might have confused the issue by neglecting to put a not in front of that synonymous. Just rectified. Mea culpa, folks. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jan 23, 2019 18:56:52 GMT
I did notice the lack of the "not" BUT being smarter than the average bear, I knew what you meant … besides, by that moment in time, it was obvious that there was no real point in following up on the discussion as it had been hauled so far off the track that it was not to be repaired. The OP won't answer my repeated question and the rest of the folk are off dealing with one word that is about regional differences word usage and has NOTHING to do with accents. Thanks for the correction even if we two are the only ones who will read it  |
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Post by Salzmank on Jan 23, 2019 18:58:22 GMT
I did notice the lack of the "not" BUT being smarter than the average bear, I knew what you meant … besides, by that moment in time, it was obvious that there was no real point in following up on the discussion as it had been hauled so far off the track that it was not to be repaired. The OP won't answer my repeated question and the rest of the folk are off dealing with one word that is about regional differences word usage and has NOTHING to do with accents. Thanks for the correction even if we two are the only ones who will read it ’Course! It’s just that I was backing you up (you’re absolutely right), and I wanted to clarify that. To misquote Lady Macbeth: “Out, out, damned not!” Or should that be “in, in”? |
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Post by alfromni on Jul 20, 2019 7:40:25 GMT
Everyone has an accent whether native or contrived. However most Americans seem to think that all Irishmen have the same accent...usually some form of Dublin accent. Here's a little item that may dispel that belief: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee_N3g4ORLk |
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